The Kerry Campaign summed up in one image

[Nathan F]

Learn to read, jackass. I already explained several criteria that people in the rest of the world would use to describe a liberal, in a prior post to Ender.

Ok, going by your definition, then John Kerry is a liberal, because he's against doing things the way Bush has done them. But earlier you said that John Kerry was a moderate... Nice way of contradicting yourself, ass. :rolleyes:

Yet again, you demonstrate your stupidity. I said he was not a liberal because he's not for gay marriage, socialized medicine, or an outright antiwar stance. But by all means, if you wish to make yourself look like an idiot by totally misreading what I wrote, go right ahead.

Conceeded, I misread it. My apologies.

I don't think I'm the one here who can't understand the concept of moderate, and hardly the knee-jerk extreemist. I said that John Kerry was a liberal, from the general American point of view, which is pretty obvious by his voting record in Congress. And since when has sticking to your guns on a *single aspect of an issue* been anti-moderate? You're going off on tangents grasping at straws here, my friend.

On the contrary, the concept of "liberal" vs "conservative" is simply two points on a spectrum, and you have utterly failed to show that the spectrum, even in America, is actually as narrow as you suggest. In fact, by conceding that people who fit my definition are known to exist even in America, you are admitting that the spectrum is wider than you say it is, and that your "general American point of view" is just an artificially narrowed spectrum. The better to fit with your narrow mind, I suppose.

I never even said that they didn't exist. I have nothing to conceede to. However, they aren't even a major minority. You're still grasping at straws here and putting words in my mouth.

I never used 'stuck up foreigner' in any context. I said that outside opinions don't have bearing on how most people in the US vote, jackass. I think you're the one who needs the reading lessons.

More bullshit. Anyone can see that you are trying to dismiss my comments because I'm not an American, even though you have already conceded that the political spectrum in America is wider than you initially claimed.

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I do so love the Wong method of debate. If someone says something you cant refute, then marginalize the point and take it out of context.

I quote myself:

In the US presidential election, John Kerry's image in France or Britain is hardly relevant to how he is seen to the general populace of the US. In the general perspective of US politics, John Kerry is left of center. Not world politics, US politics.

How I am marginalizing you because you are not a citizen of the US I do not know. I'm stating a fact that outside opinions of left and right generally don't matter to the vast majority of the voting population. Get over it.

[Darth Wong]

None of which are necessary to be considered a liberal in the U.S. political spectrum.

Spectrum: a continuous sequence or range (Merriam-Webster, disregarding irrelevant definitions relating to electromagnetism and acoustics).

Sorry, but your definition of "spectrum" clearly has nothing to do with the English language definition. The political spectrum in America is actually just as wide as it is in other countries; the only difference is that the right-wingers are so strident and obnoxious in shouting down, attacking, and marginalizing the liberals that their voices are basically silenced except in Hollywood and universities, where they can be safely dismissed as ignorant movie stars or ivory-tower intellectuals.

True, people who fit your definition of liberal exist. They're in the Green Party, and are a small minority, not carrying enough weight to significantly tip the scales to the European definition of far left.

Again, your definition of "spectrum" is not the one found in the dictionary. Well, it's not as if English is your first language ... oh wait a minute, it is.

The spectrum isn't artificially shortened, but there's not very much weight out there on the leftmost tip.

Oh really? How many people in America support gay marriage and socialized medicine while opposing the war in Iraq? You've taken polls on this to ensure that their numbers are so low that they can be considered statistically insignificant?

[Darth Wong]

I never even said that they didn't exist. I have nothing to conceede to. However, they aren't even a major minority. You're still grasping at straws here and putting words in my mouth.

Incorrect. By saying that they actually exist outside the political spectrum, you are saying that such attitudes are so rare as to be statistically insignificant. Prove it.

I do so love the Wong method of debate. If someone says something you cant refute, then marginalize the point and take it out of context.

You honestly think that your idiotic attempt to hijack this thread into one of your usual right-wing "Kerry is a hardcore liberal" jerk-off sessions was not refuted by pointing out that the full political spectrum is wider than what you claim? Or perhaps you're talking about your absurd claim about the term "moderate" not accurately fitting someone who does not consistently vote one way or the other.

I quote myself:

In the US presidential election, John Kerry's image in France or Britain is hardly relevant to how he is seen to the general populace of the US. In the general perspective of US politics, John Kerry is left of center. Not world politics, US politics.

How I am marginalizing you because you are not a citizen of the US I do not know.

Sure, because you chose to quote a different post than the one I was responding to. Nice style of bullfuckery, though. It just proves you're both stupid and dishonest.

I'm stating a fact that outside opinions of left and right generally don't matter to the vast majority of the voting population. Get over it.

No, you're claiming that Kerry cannot be considered a moderate because he's been labelled a "liberal" by the right-wingers, even though he's not pro-gay marriage, not for socialized medicine, and not outright antiwar. If he's as far left as it goes, then what term do you use for people who support all those positions? If you're going to say they are statistically insignificant, provide evidence.