20% of the gay vote went to Bush???

TheDarkling · Post by **TheDarkling** » 2004-11-04 07:41pm

Maybe they believe their pocket books are better served by Republicans and aren't all that concerned about the issue of whether they can get married or not.

Patrick Degan · Post by **Patrick Degan** » 2004-11-04 07:44pm

Makes about as much sense as Jews for Hitler.

Post by **Gandalf** » 2004-11-04 07:51pm

TheDarkling wrote:Maybe they believe their pocket books are better served by Republicans and aren't all that concerned about the issue of whether they can get married or not.

That's sort of what I was thinking.

Does the administration get to pick the guys in the supreme court? Perhaps these gay folk who voted for Bush think that if he can't pack the supreme court, he can't influence the eventual SCOTUS decision on the subject?

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2004-11-04 07:57pm

Gandalf wrote:Does the administration get to pick the guys in the supreme court? Perhaps these gay folk who voted for Bush think that if he can't pack the supreme court, he can't influence the eventual SCOTUS decision on the subject?

Only if one resigns or dies. Which might happen, some of them are getting up there and are in bad health.

However they all have to be approved by the Senate, which might be a hurdle if they appoint a real extremist. But then again the Democrats lost the Senate as well.

Ma Deuce · Post by **Ma Deuce** » 2004-11-04 07:59pm

On the flipside, while watching CNN yesterday I caught an equally surprising poll result: 21% of "born again" Evangelical Christians voted for Kerry

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The Cleric · Post by **The Cleric** » 2004-11-04 08:00pm

Darth Wong wrote:Why is this a surprise to anyone? Many gays and lesbians are filled with self-loathing because of their religious indoctrination from childhood.

There is more truth than you realize in that statement.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2004-11-04 08:11pm

Ma Deuce wrote:On the flipside, while watching CNN yesterday I caught an equally surprising poll result: 21% of "born again" Evangelical Christians voted for Kerry .

That would obviously imply that an overwhelming 80% voted for Bush. Mind you, that's less than 100%, which in itself would almost be a surprise, but I suspect a lot of them believed Kerry would "bring home the boys" the minute he got into power, and that is actually not the case.

Sam Or I · Post by **Sam Or I** » 2004-11-04 08:22pm

Just because some one is gay, does not put the mainstream gay agenda on the top of thier list. Maybe somethings are more important to them, other issues which effect everyone and not the small minority. Just a thought.

BTW, isn't Shepard homosexual? (I thought I heard something about it awhile back, but I could be confusing him for another member.) Ask him, if he is.

Joe · Post by **Joe** » 2004-11-04 08:47pm

Spanky The Dolphin wrote:Not to be ignorant, but perhaps party affiliation was a primary factor for some.

Party affiliation and economics, I would imagine.

The Duchess of Zeon · Post by **The Duchess of Zeon** » 2004-11-04 11:19pm

StormtrooperOfDeath wrote:
Darth Wong wrote:Why is this a surprise to anyone? Many gays and lesbians are filled with self-loathing because of their religious indoctrination from childhood.
There is more truth than you realize in that statement.

I can attest to that. Religious indoctrination has left me admittedly rather neurotic when considering my self-identification, and that's with many years of improvement. Parochial schools are excellent at leaving lingering self-doubt in the mind indefinitely.

Post by **Alyrium Denryle** » 2004-11-04 11:24pm

Sam Or I wrote:Just because some one is gay, does not put the mainstream gay agenda on the top of thier list. Maybe somethings are more important to them, other issues which effect everyone and not the small minority. Just a thought.

BTW, isn't Shepard homosexual? (I thought I heard something about it awhile back, but I could be confusing him for another member.) Ask him, if he is.

*chatters provocatively*

MKSheppard · Post by **MKSheppard** » 2004-11-04 11:24pm

Sam Or I wrote:BTW, isn't Shepard homosexual?

Puny fool, I am Nukesexual I voted for Bush because he supported nuclear weapons that I can make sweet sweet love to at night,
while Kerry said he wanted to break those poor poor weapons up

Aaron · Post by **Aaron** » 2004-11-04 11:27pm

MKSheppard wrote: Puny fool, I am Nukesexual I voted for Bush because he supported nuclear weapons that I can make sweet sweet love to at night,
while Kerry said he wanted to break those poor poor weapons up

It's too bad your zealotism towards warfare isn't tempered with real experiance with it. If you had actually experianced warfare than I doubt you'd be spouting the dogma that you do.

MKSheppard · Post by **MKSheppard** » 2004-11-04 11:29pm

Cpl Kendall wrote:It's too bad your zealotism towards warfare isn't tempered with real experiance with it. If you had actually experianced warfare than I doubt you'd be spouting the dogma that you do.

And somewhere the joke sails over Kendall's head

Aaron · Post by **Aaron** » 2004-11-04 11:30pm

MKSheppard wrote: And somewhere the joke sails over Kendall's head

That may have been a joke. But what about all the other pro-war crap you spout?

The Cleric · Post by **The Cleric** » 2004-11-04 11:33pm

Cpl Kendall wrote:That may have been a joke. But what about all the other pro-war crap you spout?

It's not so much a war as it is a glassing.

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2004-11-04 11:37pm

Cpl Kendall wrote:
MKSheppard wrote: And somewhere the joke sails over Kendall's head
That may have been a joke. But what about all the other pro-war crap you spout?

Do you have a point with this, or are you just going after Shep for no reason that relates to the topic?

MKSheppard · Post by **MKSheppard** » 2004-11-04 11:37pm

Cpl Kendall wrote:That may have been a joke. But what about all the other pro-war crap you spout?

The Iraq War was 120% justified, if for no other reason than
removing the mark of shame that was burned on America in 1991-92
when we encouraged the Iraqis to revolt and overthrow Saddam, and
then sat around doing jack fucking shit while Saddam brutally put down
the rebellions with his attack helicopters that we stupidly let him keep flying
at the ceasefire talks.

As for war, as Stormtrooper points out, my MO for war is more of a
general glassing of the opposing coutnry than putting americans
at risk

Post by **Alyrium Denryle** » 2004-11-04 11:41pm

I will say that we do owe the iraqis their liberation after that horrible stunt we pulled back in the early 90's

Aaron · Post by **Aaron** » 2004-11-04 11:46pm

MKSheppard wrote: The Iraq War was 120% justified, if for no other reason than
removing the mark of shame that was burned on America in 1991-92
when we encouraged the Iraqis to revolt and overthrow Saddam, and
then sat around doing jack fucking shit while Saddam brutally put down
the rebellions with his attack helicopters that we stupidly let him keep flying
at the ceasefire talks.

Apperently Bush Sr. and Colin Powell would disgree. The UN Mandate for the coalition in 91-92 was to remove Iraqi forces from Kuwait and liberate the country. Not to depose of Saddam, if the USA had tried to do so, the Arab countries in the coalition would have left and in fact might have fought the USA alongside Saddam. As for the Kurd rebellion, well I agree. The USA promised them aid and than left them to rot, inexcusable cowardice. There is only one man to blame for the Iraqi chopper fiasco, N Swrchskowff(?), he was the one who agreed to the concession.

However to go to war to remove this mark of shame as you call it is questionable. Did not the President ant the Joint Chiefs agree to the UN Mandate?

As for war, as Stormtrooper points out, my MO for war is more of a
general glassing of the opposing coutnry than putting americans
at risk

Well I can understand that you don't want to put your countryman at risk. After all I feel despair everytime I see that my comrades have been killed and it's on the 6'o'clock news. But nuking everything in sight isn't the answer, that'll just bring condemnation onto your country. And I'll ask you this: If you were able to engage in warfare with your countryman would you still be as gungho as you are now to shed blood.

And I fully understand that you are disabled and unable to serve as a result.

UCBooties · Post by **UCBooties** » 2004-11-05 12:00am

If there's a vacancy in the SCOTUS, Bush gets to appoint a replacement that must be approved by the Senate. Fortunately, Spectre of PA will now be head of the judiciary commitee and he has vowed not to allow the appointment of any Justice that is a right-wing extremist or that will overturn Roe v. Wade. Unfortunately, we're looking at FOUR possible vacancies, with two looking very likely. Rhenquist is, quite frankly, going to die, and Stevens was appointed durring the Ford Admin, he's old and wants to retire. O'Conner has also considered stepping down within the next four years. This gives Bush a chance to give us a very conservative court if he can gain enough support to trump Spectre, or he may put up some right leaning moderates in order to get them through the judiciary approval process faster.

neoolong · Post by **neoolong** » 2004-11-05 01:28am

Patrick Degan wrote:Makes about as much sense as Jews for Hitler.

Funny you should mention that. There actually was a Jew that became a Nazi.

Uther · Post by **Uther** » 2004-11-05 04:00am

They voted for Bush because they don't give a flying fuck about getting married and it's not like he's going to start breaking down people's doors for being gay.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2004-11-05 05:06am

Uther wrote:They voted for Bush because they don't give a flying fuck about getting married and it's not like he's going to start breaking down people's doors for being gay.

Hmm, maybe you're right and they believed his complete bullshit story about how the Republican party is fiscally conservative. It is, after all, only 20% of them.

Aaron · Post by **Aaron** » 2004-11-05 06:41am

Can a mod split my questioning of Sheps miltary motivations and his responses to the HOS or Off-Topic? It has no bearing on a thread dealing with the gay vote. Thanks.