Insensitivity

Post by **Kuja** » 2002-11-13 04:44pm

Yes, there are insensitive people here. Namely, myself.

Yes, I am an insensitive bastard to a point. When I think that people are grandstanding or making threats to be an attention whore, I get VERY cold very quickly. Reason? I have tried to commit suicide in the past, and so has a friend. If someone is being HONEST about this kind of thing, I will try and reach out to them. However, if I hear someone threating suicide and they don't mean it, or use the "hard knock life" excuse to justify immature actions, I'll probably tell them to fuck off. Suicide threats are NOT something to be taken lightly.

Post by **haas mark** » 2002-11-13 04:45pm

Larz wrote:Whats so funny about Verilon. To determine why you put up this topic one must understand how you stand on the three forms of life. I don't find it as an ammusing question.

It was sarcasm. And I want to know what moral values you want to know about me, because anyone's set of morals would be a very long list. And I dun wanna look like a Darkstar ina ny of my posts. Ever.

Larz · Post by **Larz** » 2002-11-13 04:48pm

What is more moral stand on life ye who is deaf. Human life, plant life, animal life, must I make it clear, okay, what is your moral stand on ending life of humans. From scenarios 1 being a person is a great leader but is a private scumball to 10 where the person is a genocidal murder and a scumball to boot. The degree of evil of the person increases exponentially at a constant rate from 1-10.

Post by **haas mark** » 2002-11-13 04:50pm

Larz wrote:What is more moral stand on life ye who is deaf. Human life, plant life, animal life, must I make it clear, okay, what is your moral stand on ending life of humans. From scenarios 1 being a person is a great leader but is a private scumball to 10 where the person is a genocidal murder and a scumball to boot. The degree of evil of the person increases exponentially at a constant rate from 1-10.

I understand that all! What particular moral standing do you wnat "o ye one who is deaf"!?

Ending human life as far as what?

Genocide: 10
Murder: 9
Suicide: I can't really say....in some cases it is more than others, but it will range from 7-9.

Post by **haas mark** » 2002-11-13 04:58pm

People that encourage suicide: 10
People that do it jokingly: 6
People that do it and encourage videotaping: 10+

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2002-11-13 05:02pm

If I seriously thought they'd kill themselves I'd suggest they get help. I had a friend I loved try to kill herself twice; I don't take it lightly. But then again when some does it just for attention fuck 'em they deserve it.

Faram · Post by **Faram** » 2002-11-13 05:13pm

Sorry verilon she did't threaten suicide.

Yogi wrote:I was chatting with a person on AIM about reality (hard-core Christian who doesn't beleive in reality), and I decided to use the anti-sophistry argument. In essence, I told her that if she wanted to demonstrate that realiy was subjective, just jump off a tall building. She shouldn't be harmed by it.

Now she says she's actually going to do it.

Any idead on how to convince her to stop?

Fuddies that jump of a building and belives god vill save them from harm is a lost cause anyway.

Post by **Kuja** » 2002-11-13 05:17pm

Stormbringer wrote:If I seriously thought they'd kill themselves I'd suggest they get help. I had a friend I loved try to kill herself twice; I don't take it lightly. But then again when some does it just for attention fuck 'em they deserve it.

When I hear about someone who did it for attention, I feel a slight twinge of regret when I flip off the TV. People don't know how good they have it here.

Post by **haas mark** » 2002-11-13 05:20pm

Faram wrote:Sorry verilon she did't threaten suicide.

Yogi wrote:I was chatting with a person on AIM about reality (hard-core Christian who doesn't beleive in reality), and I decided to use the anti-sophistry argument. In essence, I told her that if she wanted to demonstrate that realiy was subjective, just jump off a tall building. She shouldn't be harmed by it.

Now she says she's actually going to do it.

Any idead on how to convince her to stop?
Fuddies that jump of a building and belives god vill save them from harm is a lost cause anyway.

I never said she threatened suicide. I am talking about others.

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2002-11-13 05:23pm

verilon wrote:
Faram wrote:Sorry verilon she did't threaten suicide.

Yogi wrote:I was chatting with a person on AIM about reality (hard-core Christian who doesn't beleive in reality), and I decided to use the anti-sophistry argument. In essence, I told her that if she wanted to demonstrate that realiy was subjective, just jump off a tall building. She shouldn't be harmed by it.

Now she says she's actually going to do it.

Any idead on how to convince her to stop?
Fuddies that jump of a building and belives god vill save them from harm is a lost cause anyway.
What others exactly?

I never said she threatened suicide. I am talking about others.

Post by **haas mark** » 2002-11-13 05:24pm

Stormbringer wrote:
verilon wrote:
Faram wrote:Sorry verilon she did't threaten suicide.
Fuddies that jump of a building and belives god vill save them from harm is a lost cause anyway.
I never said she threatened suicide. I am talking about others.
what others exactly?

The stupid Plainfield idiot. And others in life, maybe. And to aerius: Just because it is a nameless fundie doesn't mean you can't have a heart every once in a while.

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2002-11-13 05:29pm

verilon wrote:
Stormbringer wrote:
verilon wrote: I never said she threatened suicide. I am talking about others.
what others exactly?
The stupid Plainfield idiot. And others in life, maybe. And to aerius: Just because it is a nameless fundie doesn't mean you can't have a heart every once in a while.

That was just a jackass troll jerking everyone's chain.

Faram · Post by **Faram** » 2002-11-13 05:29pm

verilon wrote:Snip/snip/snip

The stupid Plainfield idiot. And others in life, maybe. And to aerius: Just because it is a nameless fundie doesn't mean you can't have a heart every once in a while.

I know people that have comited suicide. I would have done anything to help them, but an infantile brat that trashes the board and then needs sympaty from me...

No sorry can't do it.

Post by **haas mark** » 2002-11-13 05:34pm

Faram wrote:
verilon wrote:Snip/snip/snip

The stupid Plainfield idiot. And others in life, maybe. And to aerius: Just because it is a nameless fundie doesn't mean you can't have a heart every once in a while.
I know people that have comited suicide. I would have done anything to help them, but an infantile brat that trashes the board and then needs sympaty from me...

No sorry can't do it.

I feel the same thing...those with idle threats shouldn't receive any sympathy, but I think that all threats should be taken seriously, at first.

aerius · Post by **aerius** » 2002-11-13 06:07pm

verilon wrote: The stupid Plainfield idiot. And others in life, maybe. And to aerius: Just because it is a nameless fundie doesn't mean you can't have a heart every once in a while.

The way I see things is this. If a person is going through hardships and/or depressed and wants to die, I can fully sympathize with it, and I'll do what I can to help. To these people, life has become a nightmare, and they just can't see or accept any way out other than death. I've been there, and I've seen people there, it ain't a fun thing.

On the other hand this fundie is going to jump off a building just to prove a point, there's no other reasons at all other than her irrational beliefs. It could be argued that she's mentally ill, but that's a serious stretch. I really can't feel any sympathy for someone who treats her life so cheaply. To me it's like arguing with someone who claims he can fly and then having him say he'll jump off a building to prove it. Good for him, I wish him the best of luck but I ain't gonna be upset when he spats himself on the sidewalk. That's exactly how I view this fundie.

Larz · Post by **Larz** » 2002-11-13 06:08pm

You missed the point, did you read the description that came after 1 and 10? They were scenarios that asked at what point of villiany would you kill a human ranging from social good privatly scum to genocidal scum. But I've thought about and wasted enough time debating this pointless subject. It is pointless because every man, woman, and child is some flavor of SOB or another. We are all insensitive, some to killing and others to other things. I don't know what you were hoping to gain from this topic, guilt perhaps, but whatever it was its moot. Every human is a cold jerk in some form, and if you take offense well, sorry, it still won't change the standing of those who you see as insensitive jerks due to their beliefs. This topic is pointless because its just you voicing personal opinion about common knowledge and what I guess is trying to bring guilt to those who don't exactly abide by your moral cues. If you think that some of our cold behavior is wrong, all well and good, but no point making a hooplah of it. With that I take my leave for the day.

Post by **haas mark** » 2002-11-13 06:11pm

aerius wrote:
verilon wrote: The stupid Plainfield idiot. And others in life, maybe. And to aerius: Just because it is a nameless fundie doesn't mean you can't have a heart every once in a while.
The way I see things is this. If a person is going through hardships and/or depressed and wants to die, I can fully sympathize with it, and I'll do what I can to help. To these people, life has become a nightmare, and they just can't see or accept any way out other than death. I've been there, and I've seen people there, it ain't a fun thing.

On the other hand this fundie is going to jump off a building just to prove a point, there's no other reasons at all other than her irrational beliefs. It could be argued that she's mentally ill, but that's a serious stretch. I really can't feel any sympathy for someone who treats her life so cheaply. To me it's like arguing with someone who claims he can fly and then having him say he'll jump off a building to prove it. Good for him, I wish him the best of luck but I ain't gonna be upset when he spats himself on the sidewalk. That's exactly how I view this fundie.

Okay, but in the context of her being a Christian, she thinks, hell she KNOWS, that her beliefs aren't irrational. Are you tellng me that you wouldn't feel the least bit of spite, that MAYBE you just might feel SOME TWINGE of guilt or remorse had you been the one to tell her to jump off the buolding and then she did, and died? Fuck, she's a fucking human! And if you tell me that you can't feel that small pang of regret, then you are no human to me. At leats, no moral one. You are sick, twisted, and cruel...things no human ever should be.

Post by **Sea Skimmer** » 2002-11-13 06:12pm

When annoying people mentioned there've considered or attempt suicide I suggest they try or try again and suggest methods. I think that places me firmly in the "doesn't give a fuck about there feelings" category.

Post by **Kuja** » 2002-11-13 06:12pm

aerius wrote:The way I see things is this. If a person is going through hardships and/or depressed and wants to die, I can fully sympathize with it, and I'll do what I can to help. To these people, life has become a nightmare, and they just can't see or accept any way out other than death. I've been there, and I've seen people there, it ain't a fun thing.

I'll back you all the way, here.

On the other hand this fundie is going to jump off a building just to prove a point, there's no other reasons at all other than her irrational beliefs. It could be argued that she's mentally ill, but that's a serious stretch.

Not really.

I really can't feel any sympathy for someone who treats her life so cheaply. To me it's like arguing with someone who claims he can fly and then having him say he'll jump off a building to prove it. Good for him, I wish him the best of luck but I ain't gonna be upset when he spats himself on the sidewalk. That's exactly how I view this fundie.

Which is why I got so cold when that dumbass Jodalthas suddenly started making threats.

Post by **Zaia** » 2002-11-13 06:12pm

I first felt curiousity and a bit of confused sadness that this chick would consider jumping off a building because of her beliefs; nothing more. However, after person upon person mentioned how great it would be to watch it on video/pay-per-view/etc., THAT is when I started to feel more for her and less for you guys. I hate attention-grabbers probably more than most, because I have had over a dozen people in my life threaten to end their own lives (some even tried to blame their suicide attempts on me, which fabulously gets them even MORE attention--who cares how the fuck that makes me feel).

However, whether this chick is putting everyone on to get attention or she is seriously screwed up in the head, the fact that she is thinking about jumping off a building in my opinion should not be turned into the monstrosity of a joke that it has. I chuckled when the first person wrote "get out the video camera" or whatever, but after the tenth person chimed in on how great that would be, I felt sick to my stomach.

No matter how stupid she is, or what religion she is, there will still be people who will grieve and mourn if she dies. Find some empathy.

Post by **Kuja** » 2002-11-13 06:14pm

Zaia wrote:No matter how stupid she is, or what religion she is, there will still be people who will grieve and mourn if she dies. Find some empathy.

I'm reminded of the quote "I'll try being nicer when you try being smarter."

Post by **haas mark** » 2002-11-13 06:15pm

IG-88E wrote:
Zaia wrote:No matter how stupid she is, or what religion she is, there will still be people who will grieve and mourn if she dies. Find some empathy.
I'm reminded of the quote "I'll try being nicer when you try being smarter."

Yes, Iggy, we know how little you care about your fellow humans. We don't need you to reiterate it evewry three to five posts.

Post by **Kuja** » 2002-11-13 06:25pm

verilon wrote:Yes, Iggy, we know how little you care about your fellow humans. We don't need you to reiterate it evewry three to five posts.

I do care for my fellow humans, as long as they show a little self-respect and a glimmer of common sense.

And if I want to reiterate things every post, I'll damn well put it in, like Fgalkin or Soontir.

I am cold and cruel,

Iggy

How's that?

Post by **haas mark** » 2002-11-13 06:37pm

IG-88E wrote:
verilon wrote:Yes, Iggy, we know how little you care about your fellow humans. We don't need you to reiterate it evewry three to five posts.
I do care for my fellow humans, as long as they show a little self-respect and a glimmer of common sense.

Common sense does not have to overwhelm irrationality.

And if I want to reiterate things every post, I'll damn well put it in, like Fgalkin or Soontir.

You do.....every three-to-five posts, in this thread, at least.

I am cold and cruel,

Iggy

How's that?

Descriptive of you, but you're belittling yourself.

Post by **haas mark** » 2002-11-13 06:37pm

Forgot the smiley at the end:

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Insensitivity

Are there insensitive pricks on this board?