Holy Mushrooms, Jesus!

[Asst. Asst. Lt. Cmdr. Smi]

Even if you're Catholic, you can still tell Catholic jokes, and even live them. Get the priest angry, then as if the alter boy is giving him any. Snore during the mass. Put coupons in the collection basket. Bring a pillow and nightcap to mass. Go into the confessional and ask where the toilet is. Get kicked out of the church. I wouldn't mind, I can get an extra hour's sleep at home.

[haas mark]

Even if you're Catholic, you can still tell Catholic jokes, and even live them. Get the priest angry, then as if the alter boy is giving him any. Snore during the mass. Put coupons in the collection basket. Bring a pillow and nightcap to mass. Go into the confessional and ask where the toilet is. Get kicked out of the church. I wouldn't mind, I can get an extra hour's sleep at home.

That is so not cool.

[Einhander Sn0m4n]

Somehow I can believe the mushroom story... Gee maybe because it MAKES SENSE?!!?!?!?!?!!?!?

[Darth Wong]

So is mine, and so was I. I even got Confirmed. But I still don't think that gives any rights to poke fun at any group of people. And if you want to call it needless guilt, that's fine, but I never felt it.

Are you implying that we need some kind of permission to poke fun at Catholicism, one of the most brain-damaged institutions in society today?

Millions of people worshipping a gibbering senile old moron who staggers arond the world in his Ku Klux Klan outfit and tells people what's right and what's wrong, based on his imaginary direct connection to God and supposed "infallibility", and who insists that everyone refer to him as "His Holiness"?

The only reason I rarely single out the Catholic church for criticism is that it is such an utterly ridiculous institution that it virtually makes fun of itself.

[haas mark]

So is mine, and so was I. I even got Confirmed. But I still don't think that gives any rights to poke fun at any group of people. And if you want to call it needless guilt, that's fine, but I never felt it.

Are you implying that we need some kind of permission to poke fun at Catholicism, one of the most brain-damaged institutions in society today?

Millions of people worshipping a gibbering senile old moron who staggers arond the world in his Ku Klux Klan outfit and tells people what's right and what's wrong, based on his imaginary direct connection to God and supposed "infallibility", and who insists that everyone refer to him as "His Holiness"?

The only reason I rarely single out the Catholic church for criticism is that it is such an utterly ridiculous institution that it virtually makes fun of itself.

blahblahblah. So its a pet peeve of mine. We all have them. Get ove rit. But everybody runs around making these jokes tramping on other social groups as if it won't cause offense to anyone. Tell me that isn't true. And I resent the fact that you call it a Ku Klux Klan outfit...I think that you of all people would have more respect than that, and if not, then I have lost a lot of respect for you, sir. All this stuff is supposed, yes, but you can't go singling out oine group evey now and then and have it be the same group. BRANCH OUT if you are going to make fun of religious institutions. Not once have I seen ANYONE poke fun at Muslims or Jews or Buddhists or Hindus or Native Americans (that I wouldn't take too muych offense to, since I dunno the myths of many). See my point? It is just that the comment was made, and I took offense to it,a nd they kept going was what pissed me off. I would never "ask permission" for someone to make fun of a group, but if it offends me, I will tell you. And if you have a problem with me being offended by something, then even more respect is lost. It's your turn to bite the bullet, Wong. Face it, some people are going to be offended by things that you aren't.

ver.

[data_link]

The reason why no one makes fun of Muslims or Jews or Buddhists or Hindus or Native Americans is because they aren't responsible for fucking up America. Christians are. Get over it.

[haas mark]

The reason why no one makes fun of Muslims or Jews or Buddhists or Hindus or Native Americans is because they aren't responsible for fucking up America. Christians are. Get over it.

Hey, I'M SORRY I FUCKING TAKE OFFENSE TO YOUR STUPID CATHOLIC JOKES, OKAY? Make you feel any better?

[Darth Wong]

blahblahblah. So its a pet peeve of mine. We all have them. Get ove rit. But everybody runs around making these jokes tramping on other social groups as if it won't cause offense to anyone.

Some social groups deserve it. Need I remind you that the Catholic church has a history of genocide and torture, and that it has never formally apologized for this?

And I resent the fact that you call it a Ku Klux Klan outfit...I think that you of all people would have more respect than that, and if not, then I have lost a lot of respect for you, sir.

Respect is earned, not given for free. And neither the Catholic Church or the Pope has earned one iota of respect from me.

All this stuff is supposed, yes, but you can't go singling out oine group evey now and then and have it be the same group. BRANCH OUT if you are going to make fun of religious institutions. Not once have I seen ANYONE poke fun at Muslims or Jews or Buddhists or Hindus or Native Americans (that I wouldn't take too muych offense to, since I dunno the myths of many).

Most of those groups do not have gigantic institutional bureaucracies with the history of Catholicism, or its continued influence (Shrubby consulted the fucking idiot Pope on genetic research, remember?). Are you implying that all groups should be treated as identical regardless of their histories or actions? That would be absurd. Catholicism is not a race; it is an institution. It is no more immune from criticism than the government.

See my point? It is just that the comment was made, and I took offense to it,a nd they kept going was what pissed me off. I would never "ask permission" for someone to make fun of a group, but if it offends me, I will tell you. And if you have a problem with me being offended by something, then even more respect is lost. It's your turn to bite the bullet, Wong. Face it, some people are going to be offended by things that you aren't.

So what? Some people are offended if I say that the Bible is not true; does this mean I can't say it? You are taking political correctness too far; one cannot silence criticism or mockery by simply saying that he's offended. One should also attempt to show how it is unfair, bigoted, etc. You have failed to do that. Catholicism, as I have stated before, is an institutionalized belief system with a horrifying history that it has never formally apologized for. It neither deserves or gets any shred of respect from me.

(And frankly, given your sexual orientation, I am rather baffled that you would stand up for them; they are not exactly the most gay-friendly institution in the world).

[haas mark]

And frankly, given your sexual orientation, I am rather baffled that you would stand up for them; they are not exactly the most gay-friendly institution in the world

Protestants are worse.

And where the fuck do you get off on dismembering that like it was some sort of arguement? And where the fuck do you get the right to call the Pope's outfit a "Ku Klux Klan" outfit? And although they may not have gained your respect, that does not give you the right to call him a fascist, gay-bashing, PROTESTANT, white-supremacist, does it?

And ALL religions are institutions, or did we miss that somewhere? And stop picking it apart like ypu know what is going through my mind. That would require ESP, which, IIRC, you also admonish.

And I'm not saying you can't say it, it's when it's taken too far BECAUSE someone is offended by it that I don't like. And what does me showing how it is unbigoted have to do with anything?

[Darth Wong]

where the fuck do you get off on dismembering that like it was some sort of arguement?

It was. Your refusal to admit it does not change the fact that you were trying to attack me for disrespecting the Catholic Church. Don't try to pretend you weren't trying to make an argument, Verilon. I hate people who try to weasel away from taking responsibility for their own words or actions. In your previous post, you said you made a "point" and challenged me to deal with it; you were making an argument. When that argument is shown to be flawed, you should have the maturity to admit you erred, perhaps in haste, rather than pulling back and pretending that you weren't trying to make an argument at all.

And where the fuck do you get the right to call the Pope's outfit a "Ku Klux Klan" outfit?

OK, now you're starting to piss me off. Where the fuck do you get off claiming that I don't have the right to poke fun at the Pope?

The Catholic Church has a history of even greater evil than the Ku Klux Klan. It is neither facetious nor inaccurate to lump them together. [EDIT: or as an old friend liked to say, "same shit, different colour"]

And although they may not have gained your respect, that does not give you the right to call him a fascist, gay-bashing, PROTESTANT, white-supremacist, does it?

No, he's a fascist, gay-bashing, Catholic, intolerant, sexist, Christianity-supremacist. Close enough.

And ALL religions are institutions, or did we miss that somewhere? And stop picking it apart like ypu know what is going through my mind. That would require ESP, which, IIRC, you also admonish.

I don't care what's going through your mind. I'm criticizing the bullshit coming out of your mouth.

And I'm not saying you can't say it, it's when it's taken too far BECAUSE someone is offended by it that I don't like. And what does me showing how it is unbigoted have to do with anything?

If it is a legitimate, unbigoted criticism, then there's nothing intrinsically wrong with saying it. What part of this don't you understand?

[haas mark]

where the fuck do you get off on dismembering that like it was some sort of arguement?

It was. Your refusal to admit it does not change the fact that you were trying to attack me for disrespecting the Catholic Church. Don't try to pretend you weren't trying to make an argument, Verilon. I hate people who try to weasel away from taking responsibility for their own words or actions. In your previous post, you said you made a "point" and challenged me to deal with it; you were making an argument. When that argument is shown to be flawed, you should have the maturity to admit you erred, perhaps in haste, rather than pulling back and pretending that you weren't trying to make an argument at all.

Maybe yes, I did say that in anger pr haste, but that does not detract that everyone else kept pulling it too far.

And where the fuck do you get the right to call the Pope's outfit a "Ku Klux Klan" outfit?

OK, now you're starting to piss me off. Where the fuck do you get off claiming that I don't have the right to poke fun at the Pope? [EDIT: or as an old friend like to say, "same shit, different colour"]

I don't. I simply say that when it's gone too far, it's gone too far. And it has, indeed, gone too far. When people begin to get offended, don't you think that it's gone too far.

The Catholic Church has a history of even greater evil than the Ku Klux Klan. It is neither facetious nor inaccurate to lump them together.

And although they may not have gained your respect, that does not give you the right to call him a fascist, gay-bashing, PROTESTANT, white-supremacist, does it?

No, he's a fascist, gay-bashing, Catholic, intolerant, sexist, Christianity-supremacist. Close enough.

Okay, I give you the fascist one....sorta...the Catholic system is more feudalist than anything. I'd like you to show me one statement where he "gay-bashes." Catholic != Protestant. What religion isn't intolerant? I'd like you to show me a sexist comment from HIS mouth (no sthird-hand sources). What Christian group (aside form Unitarian) isn't Christian-supremacist.

And ALL religions are institutions, or did we miss that somewhere? And stop picking it apart like ypu know what is going through my mind. That would require ESP, which, IIRC, you also admonish.

I don't care what's going through your mind. I'm criticizing the bullshit coming out of your mouth.

You're picking apart my arguement like you know what I mean,. like you know the implications. And I would like to formally ask you to tone down the language. I hereby apologize for mine.

And I'm not saying you can't say it, it's when it's taken too far BECAUSE someone is offended by it that I don't like. And what does me showing how it is unbigoted have to do with anything?

If it is a legitimate, unbigoted criticism, then there's nothing intrinsically wrong with saying it. What part of this don't you understand?

What part of "I got offended by that" don't you understand? It wasn't a criticism. It was a joke. That I got offended by. Got it?

[data_link]

Verilon, let me introduce you to the first rule of common sense - when you have no argument, keep your mouth shut. You have no argument other than your personal feelings - you've expressed them. Now stop trying to argue that they're grounded in logic.
Man, I never thought I'd see the day where Verilon starts adopting fundie debating tactics - I guess all that sleep deprivation finally got to him.

[haas mark]

Verilon, let me introduce you to the first rule of common sense - when you have no argument, keep your mouth shut. You have no argument other than your personal feelings - you've expressed them. Now stop trying to argue that they're grounded in logic.
Man, I never thought I'd see the day where Verilon starts adopting fundie debating tactics - I guess all that sleep deprivation finally got to him.

Fuck. You.

And my opinions might actually mean something to me. Did you think of that?

[data_link]

Verilon, let me introduce you to the first rule of common sense - when you have no argument, keep your mouth shut. You have no argument other than your personal feelings - you've expressed them. Now stop trying to argue that they're grounded in logic.
Man, I never thought I'd see the day where Verilon starts adopting fundie debating tactics - I guess all that sleep deprivation finally got to him.

Fuck. You.

And my opinions might actually mean something to me. Did you think of that?

Not for love or money, bub.

Your opinions mean precisely dick to us. Did you think of that?

[haas mark]

Fuck. You.

And my opinions might actually mean something to me. Did you think of that?

Not for love or money, bub.

Your opinions mean precisely dick to us. Did you think of that?

Obviously they do, otherwise this wouldn't have progressed this far.

[data_link]

Fuck. You.

And my opinions might actually mean something to me. Did you think of that?

Not for love or money, bub.

Your opinions mean precisely dick to us. Did you think of that?

Obviously they do, otherwise this wouldn't have progressed this far.

Actually, I'm really just posting because I can increase my post count... I don't actually care about this argument.

[Darth Wong]

Maybe yes, I did say that in anger pr haste, but that does not detract that everyone else kept pulling it too far.

The "pissing in the holy water" joke was not as mean-spirited as you made it out to be, and I think people tend to react negatively when someone is perceived as being anal about such things.

I don't. I simply say that when it's gone too far, it's gone too far. And it has, indeed, gone too far. When people begin to get offended, don't you think that it's gone too far.

No. You can't censor yourself because you're afraid of offending people. A lot of people are offended when you come out and say that you're gay; does this mean that you've "gone too far" by saying it? Of course not.

Okay, I give you the fascist one....sorta...the Catholic system is more feudalist than anything. I'd like you to show me one statement where he "gay-bashes."

The Catholic Church's official policy on gays in the clergy is not enough of a statement for you?

Catholic != Protestant. What religion isn't intolerant? I'd like you to show me a sexist comment from HIS mouth (no sthird-hand sources).

"Christ called as his Apostles only men. He did this in a totally free and sovereign way."- John Paul II. JP2 wants us to believe that Jesus likes men better (of course, that might mean that Jesus was gay, but I don't think that's what JP2 was trying to say).

What Christian group (aside form Unitarian) isn't Christian-supremacist.

None, which is why I oppose that element of Christianity wherever I find it. At no point did I say this was unique to Catholicism; you seem to be under the mistaken impression that I have a problem with Catholics but not Protestants.

You're picking apart my arguement like you know what I mean,. like you know the implications. And I would like to formally ask you to tone down the language. I hereby apologize for mine.

A statement has implications on its own, regardless of what its author may have in his head. If he doesn't want those implications identified, he should be more careful with his wording.

As for the language, you are the one who made this personal, remember? I was talking about the Catholic church, not you. But you turned this into a personal attack, ranting that you'd "lost respect" for me because I was saying such horrible things (and when I show that these statements are reasonable and unbigoted, you retort that people might find them offensive anyway, as if I should care).

I don't know what your problem is, but you obviously have some kind of emotional reaction here which is clouding your better judgement, and you would be better off sleeping on this than continuing to act like a jack-ass.

[haas mark]

Actually, I'm really just posting because I can increase my post count... I don't actually care about this argument.

Yet another reason for me to tell you to fuck off. Yes, I am pissed off, get over it. And the comp lab's closing in half an hour, so don't expect a response form me for about that long, Mr. Wong.

[The Dark]

Actually, I'm really just posting because I can increase my post count... I don't actually care about this argument.

Yet another reason for me to tell you to fuck off. Yes, I am pissed off, get over it. And the comp lab's closing in half an hour, so don't expect a response form me for about that long, Mr. Wong.

Dude, you know I'm not some basher, so listen up for half a minute. Get some sleep and don't reply to this thread until Sunday. Give yourself a day away from this thread to cool down first, and to think over what you want to say so you don't end up saying something you'll regret later. I agree with some of what both sides have had to say, now all y'all need to chill out before someone does something stupid.

[Einhander Sn0m4n]

Everyone please listen to me:
*cues a giant bullhorn*
CALM THE FUCK DOWN... IT WAS A JOKE! A funny one too!

[haas mark]

Actually, I'm really just posting because I can increase my post count... I don't actually care about this argument.

Yet another reason for me to tell you to fuck off. Yes, I am pissed off, get over it. And the comp lab's closing in half an hour, so don't expect a response form me for about that long, Mr. Wong.

Dude, you know I'm not some basher, so listen up for half a minute. Get some sleep and don't reply to this thread until Sunday. Give yourself a day away from this thread to cool down first, and to think over what you want to say so you don't end up saying something you'll regret later. I agree with some of what both sides have had to say, now all y'all need to chill out before someone does something stupid.

Okay, that half hour was good for me to get away form this damned comp. But won't regret saying anything. I don't regret much, even if it's used agianst me later. But you know what? It is my right to get offended at a joke.

[Darth Wong]

Okay, that half hour was good for me to get away form this damned comp. But won't regret saying anything. I don't regret much, even if it's used agianst me later. But you know what? It is my right to get offended at a joke.

And it's our right to tell you to lighten the fuck up.

[Einhander Sn0m4n]

Okay, that half hour was good for me to get away form this damned comp. But won't regret saying anything. I don't regret much, even if it's used agianst me later. But you know what? It is my right to get offended at a joke.

And it's our right to tell you to lighten the fuck up.

Can I take that advice too? I seriously need to lighten up at times...

[Stravo]

Shit I check in on this thread like an hour ago and now I see Verilon getting PISSED off and debating everyone including Wong. Verilon, calm down and take a breath. I know where you're coming from but you're not wining any arguments just saying that you're offended and that Catholics are being exclusively bashed. Just relax and ignore those threads.

[Darth Wong]

Can I take that advice too? I seriously need to lighten up at times...

You? I don't think I've ever felt that you needed to lighten up. You're cool; that's why you were the newbie of the month!