Stravo wrote:Unfortunately we also have sexual tension between Cylon Boomer and Helos on Caprica and one of the previews showed them having sex on Caprica. Cylon Boomer on BSG is having sex with the crew chief so yes I think its stands that the new cylons are sex obsessed.
There's a difference between sexual "tension" and sexual "obession"
And I think it's still a question of whether the Cylons are truly over-sexed or just use sex to manipulate human males - and you have to admit, sexual manipulation
can be quite effective.
Mayabird wrote:Everybody except for Boomer looked like hell. They'd been up for 130+ hours getting only short naps here and there.
Longest I've ever been awake was about 72 hours. I looked like
shit. Then again, I was doing on sheer willpower and caffeine -- I didn't have the benefit of stronger chemical stimulants which was made apparent during the "take your pills" scene between Apollo and Starbuck, and later restated by Starbuck when they set up the patrol after the jump where the Cylons first broke the 33 minute cycle.
GrandMasterTerwynn wrote:I would guess that notions of creationism and intelligent design would be absolutely rampant among the Cylons. I mean, they know that they were originally created by intelligent beings. (What they did to those beings to return the favor is an entirely different discussion.)
"Intelligent design" is not a notion when it comes to Cylons, it's a
fact. Unlike religious humans, at least some Cylons have personal acquaintance with the race that created them, and there is hard evidence that they were created, not evolved.
As to why they're trying to exterminate humanity... the Cylon motivation has always been a mystery. To a large extent, it's
irrelevant if you see BSG as a saga of humanity's struggle against an implacable enemy. However, we don't really know the Cylon mind, their thought processes, their drives and priorities. Nor do we know how the humans treated the Cylons when they were first created. Did they create intelligent beings capable of their own thoughts and desires, then enslave them to do every crap, dangerous job in existance? Yeah, I could see a little resentment over that.... Cylons are, at least potentially, immortal -- did humans have a tendency to scrap or destroy potentially immortal beings who
wanted to continue their existance? In which case it becomes much more a matter of the Cylons feeling they are fighting for
their existance.
Even in the old series we didn't know much about the Cylon "society", we know even less in this series. Obviously, the Cylons spent some of the 40 years they were gone on R&D and building a war machine...is that
all they did? If no - what other projects would a machine civilization work on?
In one sense, I
like the fact that the Cylon motivation is not apparent, or doesn't make a lot of sense to humans - as long as Cylons are also reasonably effective in their actions, enough so that it's believable they could survive in a hostile universe. They're
aliens, after all -- not simply humans in tin suits. Like the whole thing behind the 33 minute cycle - is that a limitation of technology? A weird religious thing for the Cylons? (I don't think it even occurs to the BSG humans - other than Baltar, who may be batshit crazy - that machines
could have anything like a religion). Did some Cylon calculate 33 minutes as an interval that would provide maximum irritation to the human mind? We
don't know why it's 33 minutes, we
never know why... Even human enemies don't always know or understand their enemy's motivation or reason for their actions. How much more would that be true against a non-human enemy?
Rogueice wrote:I guess the question is, is Caprica Boomer similarly confused, or is she doing more or less what Number Six did? Befriend Helo in an effort to find whatever remaining Colonial military forces there may be? It seems a bit extreme that she would kill one of her own in that case, but I'm not so good at reading the other Number Six's expression when she saw them running away (though she didn't appear to bother chasing them, so maybe that's part of the plan?).
There are two possibilities with Caprica Boomer. First, she knows she's a Cylon and is there to infiltrate with surviving humans and contribute to their eventual demise (seems to me the Cylons kill humans, they don't enslave them, and they have a Final Solution type plan). In which case, she knows she didn't kill Number Six, just destroyed one of Number Six's bodies.
(While watching that scene, a thought occured to me - does the intelligence/mind of a destroyed humanoid Cylon
actually get transferred to a new body, or is that something the Cylon command tells the troops to keep them cooperative and willing to die for the cause? We've yet to have a humanoid Cylon stand up and say straight out, yes, I remember being in a different body.)
The second possibility is that Caprica Boomer is
also a sleeper agent, in which case she probably believed Number Six to be a humanoid Cylon (although it's not clear to me that anyone on Caprica would necessarially know about humanoid Cylons, though they'll probably figure it out before too long) and her back-story was somehow implanted in her (Could they somehow "read out" BSG Boomer's memories up to a certain point then dowload those into another Boomer? After which that Boomer acquires new memories going forward...)
Helo may be a minor character (at this point), but he clearly has some capability as a guerilla/partisan/resistance fighter. I could conceive of the Cylons noting that there is a particularly troublesome human blowing up Centurions in the woods and trying to analyse the facts to find a handle on him. Ah-ha! He was buddies with a sleeper agent! Let's insert a second sleeper of that type to befriend him then betray him... As a benefit (from the Cylon point of view) Helo could be allowed to gather a large group of survivors together so they may be efficiently eliminated all at once instead of hunted down in ones and twos.
