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data_link wrote: That's not the problem. The problem is the propensity of the stupid to protect the stupid. If we actually elect presidents who are not fucking MORONS once in a while, we might actually have some progress.

Ultra wrote: You seem to be the pathological liar here.

The internet lie was made up by the Washington Times, a rag owned by the Reverend Moon, who is the head of a Korean cult called the Unification Church. He propped up Falwel and Robertson and funded Reagan and Bush. www.unification.net is his official website, and he happily endorses the Bush administration.

Chalk up another one for conservative bias in the media.

MKSheppard wrote:

Ultra wrote: The media is owned by conservative operatives and corporations. The day they hold an honest investigation into this is the day Mr. Wong loses an honest debate with a fundie idiot.

BWAHHAHAHAHA

Hey asshole, what about the fucking CARR Brothers, you liberal fucknut?

It's hilarious that you think the Republicans control the Media, when
every indicator points to it being controlled by the socialists.

Ultra wrote: But the vote was NOT legitimate. Three repubs get 18,181 votes? Ahahahaha?

No paper trails? Proprietary code that isn't open for the public to see? The same company that designed the system, donates extensively to GOP operatives?

Ultra wrote: Typical ignorant conservative. Grow a brain (and some balls) and stop living up to your title. I've provided evidence for my case. You havn't provided jack shit.

MKSheppard wrote:Bush is actually pretty smart...you have to be to get the following:

A bachelor's degree from Yale University
A Master of Business Administration from Harvard Business School.

MKSheppard wrote:

data_link wrote: That's not the problem. The problem is the propensity of the stupid to protect the stupid. If we actually elect presidents who are not fucking MORONS once in a while, we might actually have some progress.

Bush is actually pretty smart...you have to be to get the following:

A bachelor's degree from Yale University
A Master of Business Administration from Harvard Business School.

Mr Bean wrote:Ha beat you to it Wong along with a Good Example

Heh, seriously, I'd rather take Bush over Clinton any day of the week. I'd
rather have someone who flubs his lines with hilarious results, rather than
some asshole who keeps debating us over what the specific meaning
of "is" is....

MKSheppard wrote:

Mr Bean wrote:Ha beat you to it Wong along with a Good Example

Heh, seriously, I'd rather take Bush over Clinton any day of the week. I'd
rather have someone who flubs his lines with hilarious results, rather than
some asshole who keeps debating us over what the specific meaning
of "is" is....

Mr Bean wrote:

Heh, seriously, I'd rather take Bush over Clinton any day of the week. I'd
rather have someone who flubs his lines with hilarious results, rather than
some asshole who keeps debating us over what the specific meaning
of "is" is....

Hell no aurgment from me there, I'd Rather Take Stalin over Clinton any day of the week

Heh, seriously, I'd rather take Clinton over Bush any day of the week. I'd
rather have someone who dodges questions about his personal sex life, rather than
some asshole who has connections to terrorists, embarrasses our nation, endorses the patriot act, etc.

Ultra wrote: Heh, seriously, I'd rather take Clinton over Bush any day of the week. I'd
rather have someone who dodges questions about his personal sex life, rather than
some asshole who has connections to terrorists, embarrasses our nation, endorses the patriot act, etc.

Clinton was nothing like Stalin. Bush and his administration bear striking resemblances to Hitler and his regime.

Mr Bean wrote:

Heh, seriously, I'd rather take Clinton over Bush any day of the week. I'd
rather have someone who dodges questions about his personal sex life, rather than
some asshole who has connections to terrorists, embarrasses our nation, endorses the patriot act, etc.

I'm sorry but I like they Monkey of The Tratior, At Leat Bush has Cheney and Co to do the thinking work instead of Giving missle Tecnology and brokering "Peace Deals" that have all FAILED some such as North Korea, disatriously so..

Ultra wrote:
More silly accusations.

Bush hasn't attempted peaceful negotiations once. Just the warmongering and baloney we expect from conservative administrations.

Now we have Bush not doing anything about North Korea, while trying to find a way to bomb the shit out of Iraq.

Oh, I almost forgot : you conservatives cared more about cuffing Clinton's cock than you did about anything else, including terrorist activities.

Mr Bean wrote:

Clinton was nothing like Stalin. Bush and his administration bear striking resemblances to Hitler and his regime.

Woops fokes looks like Ultra here has been brainwashed, Anyone who comparse Hitler to Bush needs thier head checked

On the night the German Parliament Building--the Reichstag-- burned down, Hitler was at Goebbels's apartment having dinner. They rushed to the scene where they met Göring who was already screaming false charges and making threats against the Communists. At first glance, Hitler described the fire as a beacon from heaven. "You are now witnessing the beginning of a great epoch in German history. . . This fire is the beginning," Hitler told a news reporter at the scene.

While not all historians agree on who actually perpetrated the Reichstag Fire, writers such as Klaus P. Fischer feel that most likely the Nazis were responsible.

A dazed Dutch Communist named Marinus van der Lubbe was found at the scene and charged with arson. He was later found guilty and executed.

On February 28, 1933--the day after the Reichstag fire--President Hindenburg and Chancellor Hitler invoked Article 48 of the Weimar Constitution, which permitted the suspension of civil liberties in a time of national emergency.

A Decree of the Reich President for the Protection of the People and State abrogated the following German constitutional protections:
Free expression of opinion
Freedom of the press
Right of assembly and association
Right to privacy of postal and electronic communications
Protection against unlawful searches and seizures
Individual property rights
States' right of self-government

A supplemental decree created the SA (Storm Troops) and SS (Special Security) Federal police agencies.

Additional information about the Reichstag Fire

When the Word Trade Center and the Pentagon were attacked, Bush was reading to grade school children in Florida. When informed of the attack by his associates, he continued reading. He then flew to a security bunker in Nebraska before finally returning to the White House.

No military aircraft had been scrambled to intercept the four hijacked planes, though there was plenty of time to do so.

The fact that there has been no genuine investigation into the 9/11 terrorist attack on American citizens creates the odor of a cover-up of gigantic proportions. Some news analysts point to the possibility that the Bush administration could have been complicit.

Hundreds of suspects were immediately jailed, without benefit of habeas corpus or other rights. Some of these suspects have already been found guilty of the crime.

The Bush junta forced the Patriot Act bill through Congress, suspending essential civil liberties, excusing oppression as essential to the "war on terrorism," and maintaining that dissent was treason.

The Patriot Act abrogated the following American constitutional protections:
Free expression of opinion
Freedom of the press
Right of assembly and association
Right to privacy of postal and electronic communications
Protection against unlawful searches and seizures
Individual property rights
States' right of self-government

Presidential decrees make it possible for military forces to be used to monitor and control the civilian population, in abrogation of the posse comitatus act.

The Leader Destroys Elections and Appoints Himself Dictator

March 24, 1933

The Enabling Act

On March 24, 1933, the Reichstag passed the Law for Terminating the Suffering of People and Nation, also known as the Enabling Law, essentially granting Adolph Hitler dictatorial power. There was no further need for elections because the Fuhrer/Dictator made all the decisions!

Since the Nazis had only been able to gain a 44% plurality in the Reichstag in the March 5, 1933 elections, Hitler looked for another way to establish a full dictatorship.

Herman Göring--later to become the head of Germany's armed forces--declared that there was no further need for State governments. So Over the next few weeks, in each of the legal Weimar states the local Nazi organizations instigated riots and then summarily replaced the elected state government by appointed Nazi Reich Commissioners to quell the disorder.

The Nazi legislators sponsored the Enabling Act, a bill that gave Hitler dictatorial powers for four years. To make sure the law passed, the Nazis imprisoned Communists and created propaganda campaigns to influence public opinion. Just days before the vote on the bill, the Nazis held a staged ceremony in Potsdam in which Hitler was depicted as a conservative national leader, not the head of a radical party. Hitler promised that the Enabling Act would only benefit the German people.

The moment the bill passed, however, the German democratic constitution was abrogated and Nazi Party rule became absolute. Hitler immediately invoked the new law to rescind the democratic freedoms of the Weimar Republic and to dissolve political parties and organizations.



The Dictator Establishes
Death Camps
March 22, 1933

Dachau slave labor death camp established






The Hitler regime established the first concentration camp about 15 kilometers northwest of Munich, dedicated on March 20 by Heinrich Himmler. It held about 5,000 prisoners, mostly Communists, Social-Democrats, and homosexuals. Bavarian police guarded the prisoners until April 11, when the SS took over. The slave-labor death camps, so hideous in their reality that Germans didn't want to hear about them, became an efficient tool in silencing opponents of the regime. Dachau was a "political camp" and the first Jewish detainees were among the best-known political opponents of the Nazi regime. More than 10,000 Jews from all over Germany were interned there after the Kristallnacht pogrom. When the systematic genocide of Jews began, the Jewish prisoners were deported from Dachau and other camps in the Reich to the extermination camps in the East.

The Leader Destroys Elections and Appoints Himself Dictator

November, 2002

Homeland Security Act






In the 2000 and now again in the midterm 2002 elections, electronic voting has meant that our democratic right to have our votes counted fairly and accurately has been taken from us by the Bush junta.

Since we now suffer under the situation where there is no opposition to the criminal Bush regime--most Democrats having effectively become pawns of the Republicans--then none of the state election frauds will be investigated. We can't be sure that key races such as that of Mondale in Minnesota and Carnahan in Missouri were not the result of massive vote fraud. We can be sure that the Florida gubernatorial race was completely fixed.

This sinister phase 3 of the nazification of America is best understood by reviewing some of the information that Greg Palast has made available. Palast is the investigative reporter for BBC and the Observer who first exposed the 2000 Florida vote crimes.

94,000 people -- over half of them African American --were on a "scrub list" in Florida, resulting in their being blocked from voting in the 2000 election. Did Florida rectify this mistake before the 2002 election? Fuhgeddaboudit! Those voters won't be reinstated in Florida until January 2003--if ever.
Electronic, touch screen voting is the basis for election fraud:

votes can easily be lost through "software glitches"

Democratic votes can become Republican votes and no one is the wiser

The "touch" screen computers are made by ES&S, the vendor chosen by Katherine Harris, Florida Secretary of State and current congressperson. The lobbyist who sold that company's system to Jeb and Katherine is Sandy Mortham, founder of Women for Jeb and Harris' predecessor as Secretary of State. Mortham was the person who instigated the scam in 1998 to find black voters who could be disqualified.

ES&S machines, not surprisingly, failed to work in Black precincts in 2002. And of course with electronic voting there is no paper ballot back-up.





In the 2002 mid-term "elections" the Republicans gained control of all branches of government: executive, legislative, and judicial. Just as in Hitler's Enabling Act, so Bush Jr. forced the Homeland Security bill through Congress which gave him complete dictatorial powers:

the President is able to make any decision he wishes without judicial or legislative restraint

the executive branch can now carry on its meetings in secret, without scrutiny from the press or the people

the "homeland security" agents can now intrude in any part of a citizen's life

The Cyber Security Enhancement Act slipped into the Homeland Security bill at the last moment:

allows police to conduct Internet or telephone eavesdropping willy-nilly with no requirement to ask a court's permission first

demands life sentences for hackers that 'recklessly' endanger lives

allows Net surveillance to gather telephone numbers, IP addresses, and URLs or e-mail information, where an 'immediate threat to a national security interest' is suspected

permits ISPs to hand users' records over to law enforcement authorities, overturning current legislation that outlaws such behaviour

the Homeland Security Information Awareness Office will be run by a former convicted felon

up to 850,000 jobs will be privatized, knocking out union and civil service oversight

On November 14, 2002, as the Senate was being pressured to pass a hastily-prepared homeland security bill, Senator Byrd spoke out vehemently against the bill as Bush's grab for dictatorial power--the worst act of tyranny, Byrd said, in the fifty years he's been in Congress.



Secret US Police Concentration Camps
In a revealing admission in June, 1997, the Director of Resource Management for the U.S. Army confirmed the validity of a memorandum relating to the establishment of a civilian inmate labor program under development by the Department of the Army. The document states, "Enclosed for your review and comment is the draft Army regulation on civilian inmate labor utilization" and the procedure to "establish civilian prison camps on installations."



Amid widespread rumors, Congressman Henry Gonzales clarified the question of the existence of civilian detention camps. In an interview, Gonzalez stated, "The truth is yes--you do have these stand by provisions, and the plans are here . . . whereby you could, in the name of stopping terrorism . . . evoke the military and arrest Americans and put them in detention camps."

On Sunday, November 10th, the New York Times announced that 200,000 to 250,000 troops would be used to attack Iraq, while 265,000 National Guard and Reserve personnal would be called to active duty--MOST OF WHICH WILL BE DEPLOYED IN THE UNITED STATES! Is Bush at war with Iraq or with American citizens?

MKSheppard wrote:

Ultra wrote:
More silly accusations.

Bush hasn't attempted peaceful negotiations once. Just the warmongering and baloney we expect from conservative administrations.

He KNOWS negotiating with dictatorships never WORKS. EVER. They smile,
while wriggling out of it....Like the USSR did with the Biologial Weapons Ban...

Now we have Bush not doing anything about North Korea, while trying to find a way to bomb the shit out of Iraq.

Oh, I almost forgot : you conservatives cared more about cuffing Clinton's cock than you did about anything else, including terrorist activities.

Bush hasn't attempted peaceful negotiations once. Just the warmongering and baloney we expect from conservative administrations.

Now we have Bush not doing anything about North Korea, while trying to find a way to bomb the shit out of Iraq.

Oh, I almost forgot : you conservatives cared more about cuffing Clinton's cock than you did about anything else, including terrorist activities.

Ultra wrote: Hi troll. Then I guess we should do something about the conservatives that prop up these dictators in the first place.

Try doing anything about terrorist activities when conservatives are funding these same terrorists, and diverting the congress, the senate, the judiciary, the media, and everyone else to bring you down over a blowjob.

You conservatives didn't care about terrorists during Clinton's term. Now you do, since you have a president that's in it for the oil.

Mr Bean wrote:

Bush hasn't attempted peaceful negotiations once. Just the warmongering and baloney we expect from conservative administrations.

Now we have Bush not doing anything about North Korea, while trying to find a way to bomb the shit out of Iraq.

Geeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee another brain dead Fundmentlist, However a Fundmentlist of a Diffrent Sort, I guess I missed the talks reported on CNN last week between us and NK, Or the fact that Powel is Due to Fly out there next month, never would have seen that, Nope oh and the Tatical Problems of us not being able to Invade North Korea or would you kindly explain oh great Military Mind how 40,000 Troops are enough to take on over a Million and South Korea Says we can't use thier bases to attack North Korea

Oh, I almost forgot : you conservatives cared more about cuffing Clinton's cock than you did about anything else, including terrorist activities.

Sigh, Fokes my Political Standing is very simple I am anti-Evil followed by Anti-Idiot

I supported Bush over Gore due to the fact that Gore's Vice President was Liberman, Young Earth Fundmentlist Fucktard in every sense of the word, leaving me to pick between Bush and Darth Nadar( )

and evntualy I sided with Bush as I conculded like so many other millions of Americans he had no chance in hell of getting 10% of the Vote let allown elected, I am NOT conservative by any strech of the Imagination, A few of my Views can be called Conservative(Gun Ownership the prime one) However on many fundment issues I dissagre with them, I am not a Registered Republican, I will not be one anytime soon, I am however as I said Anti-Evil and Anti-Idiot, In Candits who are both(saay Tom Dasahl though I havea few in mind) I obviously vote aginst them