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Posted: **2005-01-23 12:46pm**

salm wrote: the insanity value is cool. but dying at random moments is purely annoying.

same with the result of the insanity value. not being able to control your character is annoying. i´d make the insanity value trigger something else. like distortion of geometry that makes it harder to maneuver, or something. if you go insane, collapse and can´t do anything until you get shot by some enemy you´d just as well just die right away. waiting sucks.

It's true: it's annoying.
But the game should not be fun. It should be dramatic, and, while I agree that there may be better systems, I haven't found them yet.
Visual distortion, blurring and shaking are already in: they come along with stress, fatigue and injuries.

Posted: **2005-01-23 05:40pm**

salm wrote:
Melchior wrote: Exactly.
In fact, Paranoia has been one of the main sources of inspiration.
Another feature of the gameplay is the possibily to be terminated at any given moment, even if there is no evident need to.
Oh, and there is an "insanity" value, hidden from the player, that increased as the character sees more blood, is hurted, sees other allied soldiers terminated for no reason etc.
When the value is high enough, the player loses control of the character, who can:
-Shot himself
-Collapse to the ground (and be terminated)
-Start firing at random things
-And a lot more "exciting" things
the insanity value is cool. but dying at random moments is purely annoying.

same with the result of the insanity value. not being able to control your character is annoying. i´d make the insanity value trigger something else. like distortion of geometry that makes it harder to maneuver, or something. if you go insane, collapse and can´t do anything until you get shot by some enemy you´d just as well just die right away. waiting sucks.

I agree. Make the insanity value do stuff like cause the player to see stuff that isn't there, and see stuff that is there differently(friendly looks like an enemy).

Posted: **2005-01-23 06:04pm**

Beowulf wrote: I agree. Make the insanity value do stuff like cause the player to see stuff that isn't there, and see stuff that is there differently(friendly looks like an enemy).

It seems like a good idea, but i don't know how much the first thing is feasible.
Random deaths actually happen almost only to people near you, not to you, but the player (and the character) doesn't need to know that.

Posted: **2005-01-23 06:13pm**

Melchior wrote:But the game should not be fun.

But the game should not be fun.

. . .
i am lost fr waords.

Posted: **2005-01-23 06:32pm**

Utsanomiko wrote:
Melchior wrote:But the game should not be fun.

But the game should not be fun.
. . .
i am lost fr waords.

Actually "game" is not the best word, because a game is meant to be fun.
A better term would be "interactive exeperience" but it sounds very bad.

Posted: **2005-01-23 06:47pm**

Melchior wrote:
Beowulf wrote: I agree. Make the insanity value do stuff like cause the player to see stuff that isn't there, and see stuff that is there differently(friendly looks like an enemy).
It seems like a good idea, but i don't know how much the first thing is feasible.
Random deaths actually happen almost only to people near you, not to you, but the player (and the character) doesn't need to know that.

You spawn unkillable monsters that can't hurt the player, and can be walked through. Shouldn't be too difficult.

Posted: **2005-01-23 06:57pm**

Melchior wrote: Actually "game" is not the best word, because a game is meant to be fun.
A better term would be "interactive exeperience" but it sounds very bad.

Well, that's good. Because whoever is in charge of designing this 'interactive experience' isn't remotely qualified to design a game, and probably shouldn't be alllowed to even beta test or review them.

Posted: **2005-01-23 08:09pm**

Melchior wrote: Actually "game" is not the best word, because a game is meant to be fun.
A better term would be "interactive exeperience" but it sounds very bad.

what´s the purpose of this interactive experience?

Posted: **2005-01-24 06:36am**

I like your fire effect.

Posted: **2005-01-24 08:02am**

salm wrote: what´s the purpose of this interactive experience?

Let people experience, as much as it is now possibile with a computer, a really bad dystopia.

Spanky The Dolphin wrote:I like your fire effect.

Thanks.
It is done by replicating lots of tongues of flame made with bezier curves, giving them a gradient (actually three different gradients), and then shaping them by selecting all the points in an area and moving them.
After that I manually adjusted some zones that looked bad and added the little flames at the sided of the emitters.

Posted: **2005-01-25 04:07am**

I'm sorry, but there's a difference between 'Dystopia' and 'Thing I wouldn't touch with a barge pole.' HL2, Marathon or Deus Ex are dystopias; This sounds like a blood pressure increasing device.

Posted: **2005-01-25 09:08am**

Pcm979 wrote:I'm sorry, but there's a difference between 'Dystopia' and 'Thing I wouldn't touch with a barge pole.' HL2, Marathon or Deus Ex are dystopias; This sounds like a blood pressure increasing device.

Think of 1984.
It's quite similar.

Posted: **2005-01-25 10:27am**

I get the concept, but no offense, the execution needs a little work. 'Interactive' and 'Die randomly, can't see or aim' don't really gel.

Posted: **2005-01-25 10:44am**

Pcm979 wrote:I get the concept, but no offense, the execution needs a little work. 'Interactive' and 'Die randomly, can't see or aim' don't really gel.

It's not that bad, because the worst always happen to other characters, and because the opposing team is also in that condition.
It is still in very early developement (almost no modelling has been done so far), and needs a lot of balancing and adjustments.

Posted: **2005-01-25 10:47am**

Well, it's your game. If I may ask, what's the point of playing it? What message is transmitted, apart from 'wow, things really aren't nice and fluffy'?

As I said, if you need any more bad weapon designs I'd be happy to help.

Posted: **2005-01-25 10:50am**

Pcm979 wrote:Well, it's your game. If I may ask, what's the point of playing it? What message is transmitted, apart from 'wow, things really aren't nice and fluffy'?

As I said, if you need any more bad weapon designs I'd be happy to help.

Prove that computer programs have the possibility to trascend from being fun , while being able to deliver a message without cutscenes (that are basically movies), with the gameplay.

Posted: **2005-01-25 10:52am**

Said message being?

I have an idea for a really cumbersome shotgun if you're in the market... [/design-whoring]

Posted: **2005-01-25 11:10am**

Pcm979 wrote:Said message being?

I have an idea for a really cumbersome shotgun if you're in the market... [/design-whoring]

In this case "being an useless pawn in a useless war isn't fun".
The designs should be only bad, not purposeful so.
If the shotgun meets this requirement' I would be happy to hear about it.

Posted: **2005-01-25 02:40pm**

Melchior wrote:
Pcm979 wrote:Said message being?

I have an idea for a really cumbersome shotgun if you're in the market... [/design-whoring]
In this case "being an useless pawn in a useless war isn't fun".
The designs should be only bad, not purposeful so.
If the shotgun meets this requirement' I would be happy to hear about it.

Make it an automatic, but straight blowback...

Posted: **2005-01-25 03:21pm**

Melchior wrote:
Pcm979 wrote:Well, it's your game. If I may ask, what's the point of playing it? What message is transmitted, apart from 'wow, things really aren't nice and fluffy'?

As I said, if you need any more bad weapon designs I'd be happy to help.
Prove that computer programs have the possibility to trascend from being fun , while being able to deliver a message without cutscenes (that are basically movies), with the gameplay.

That can be done (and I'm certain it already has), but i'm afraid to say that you are in no way doing it with this poorly thought-out separation between delivering entertainment and presenting themes. A good designer would know how to do both, and probably in a much less heavy-handed manner than has been described.

Posted: **2005-01-25 03:33pm**

I'm sorry, do you expect people to pay for this?

Because, quite frankly, I'd rather buy The Matrix Online.

Posted: **2005-01-25 03:41pm**

DPDarkPrimus wrote:I'm sorry, do you expect people to pay for this?

Because, quite frankly, I'd rather buy The Matrix Online.

Absolutely not.
It is only a mod.

Posted: **2005-01-25 04:01pm**

Melchior wrote:
DPDarkPrimus wrote:I'm sorry, do you expect people to pay for this?

Because, quite frankly, I'd rather buy The Matrix Online.
Absolutely not.
It is only a mod.

Time is money.

But honestly, I'm dissapointed I've spent the time to read this. There are plenty of things you could do with your talents and limitations, and this mod as it's designed is not it.

Posted: **2005-01-25 04:28pm**

Melchior, stop and think for a second: Who is going to choose to play something that isn't fun?

If you have even two braincells to rub together, you could figure out that purposely designing something that is not enjoyable to play is not going to win you any fans.

Posted: **2005-01-25 04:30pm**

DPDarkPrimus wrote:Melchior, stop and think for a second: Who is going to choose to play something that isn't fun?

If you have even two braincells to rub together, you could figure out that purposely designing something that is not enjoyable to play is not going to win you any fans.

Have you ever liked a movie that was disturbing and unpleasant?
I have.
Maybe this is not a good way to do the same with a game, but that is the idea.

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