Ladies and Gentlemen, I Give You the American Empire

[TrailerParkJawa]

Acutal we did, By Strait Up Defintions we were out of the reccesion for two months now

It all depends on who you ask. Yes, the economy is not shriking, but its been more than two months. However, all indications are that this has been a "jobless" recovery.

Jobs are still being shed at high rates, especially here in California.

Your right about the Yahoo stock. The bubble made this recession far worse than it had to be. Then the 11th of Sept just made it worse.

[Threelions]

OI! Hemlock remember that was just a report of a story on the forum, we post stories from different sources for people to comment on there was no suggestion that it was true or false just put there for people to comment on.

Oh hello everyone dont know what this place is about yet but i'll look around and hopefully settle in. PCGamer forum is a nice forum populated but mainly us brits, but Irish, dutch, american and even swedish people, the Real World Discussions can be heated at times but it's all just debate nothing more and if you go to the General Discussion Folder no one mention's politics at all its just Monty Python and other obscure British comedy and alot of emotionally disturbed people.

http://forum.pcgamer.co.uk/index.php

[HemlockGrey]

My main problem with it is that the resident America-bashers treat it as solid fact.

[Threelions]

My main problem with it is that the resident America-bashers treat it as solid fact.

I know but there are people in america that bash europe without knowing the facts yes?

Besides if you stay out of RWD its alot of fun so dont slag off the whole forum we are good people honest.

[LordShaithis]

Listen Limey, if'n it weren't fer us, y'all would be speakin' German by now, I tell you what. And why don't y'all jest use yer hands to pick up that there stupid soccer ball? <-- sarcasm

[Threelions]

Listen Limey, if'n it weren't fer us, y'all would be speakin' German by now, I tell you what. And why don't y'all jest use yer hands to pick up that there stupid soccer ball? <-- sarcasm

Arf brilliant a idiot for my pleasure. ahem here we go...

1) You took three years to get involved.
2) We paid for your expenses and still are.
3) Show me an american vet and i'll shake his hand and buy him a drink show me a spoilt brat and i'll make him piss his pants.
4) You made so many mistakes that could have been prevented if you listened to British advice but you decide you knew better and it cost you american lives.
5) We were not in danger after the battle of britain after which we were on the offensive and you werent even involved yet.
6) It's Football not soccer as in the english game we use the foot as in football.
7) Our special forces had to help your arses out of Afghanistan so many times i lost count.
8 ) This attitude is what turns people against america as i havent said one word against you up until you provoked me but you seemed to have to build your ego which tells me you personally not america lack somthing in the male department.
9) The French German and other European resistance that paved the way for american forces might have somthing to say about yor accusations.
10) If it wasnt for British support you wouldnt have a leg to stand on internationaly.
11) Read up on your history little boy then ask the real vets from the second world war and they will tell you it was a joint attack niether of the allies were more valuable than the rest.
12) Stop watching hollywood films that arent based on facts you actually have americans cracking the egnigma code when you hadnt even joined the war at the time it was cracked for gods sake.
13) The world doesnt revolve around america.
14) World series baseball yet only america competes hows that work?

To all americans with just a little brains i dont have any disrespect for you i support you in most debates over here but idiots like this will turn the world against you when you most need their support. Also give my support to the vets of the second world war its a shame their spoilt offspring should bring such shame upon their memory.

[HemlockGrey]

Threelions, note the little word called 'Sarcasm' that is attached at the end. Sar-kaz-em.

Futheremore, the bizarre idea that somehow, Britian would have managed to resist Nazi Germany without support from the United States never fails to amaze me. Yes, one small, battered island was going to hold out for decades, drive forward, and sweep millions of Nazi soldiers off the entire continent.

[Threelions]

Threelions, note the little word called 'Sarcasm' that is attached at the end. Sar-kaz-em.

Futheremore, the bizarre idea that somehow, Britian would have managed to resist Nazi Germany without support from the United States never fails to amaze me. Yes, one small, battered island was going to hold out for decades, drive forward, and sweep millions of Nazi soldiers off the entire continent.

Nothing to do with how big or small we are it was more to do with the fact that germany didnt want to bother invading us afetr the battle of britain.

Sarcasm is not what was given it was a plain insult, i still gave compliments to america yet you still insult doesnt that tell you somthing? I gave you examples of the fact there were French, Dutch and even German resistance, the war would have lasted years longer maybe even a decade but germany was losing because they attacked the Russians and were fighting on two fronts, america is such a big country yet you have such a delicate ego you should learn from your grandparents they have respect in this country unfortunately you seem to want to destroy that.

[HemlockGrey]

It was not a direct insult, it was a joke. If the British are too hardassed to take a joke, that is not my fault.

Furthermore, the British could have staved off immediate defeat, but for how long? The continental resistance was a joke that never accomplished anything.

Why do you think Germany was fighting on two fronts? Gee...maybe because there was an invasion of France, an invasion made possible only by the victories in North Africa, victories made possible only by American intervention?

[Sea Skimmer]

Forget WW2. Without American involvement WW1 would have been at best a draw for the UK and France. The first and Third German attacks in 1918 where only stopped through the commitment of 65,000 American troops along with every other French and British reserve. Remove those troops and nothing can replace them. Paris falls and the French collapse.

[Enforcer Talen]

course, I am still wondering how the russians would do without american support. lots of supplies went their way.

[Slartibartfast]

Hold the Phone!(Literly) You mean Bush has progressed Beyond learning how to type in the number on the Keypad is acutal onto the computer in learning how to use Tools?

Does that mean Bush has opposable thumbs?

[Threelions]

It was not a direct insult, it was a joke. If the British are too hardassed to take a joke, that is not my fault.

Furthermore, the British could have staved off immediate defeat, but for how long? The continental resistance was a joke that never accomplished anything.

Why do you think Germany was fighting on two fronts? Gee...maybe because there was an invasion of France, an invasion made possible only by the victories in North Africa, victories made possible only by American intervention?

My mistake and you have my apologies, but sarcasm means a joke to me not just an insult then saying we didnt mean it.

We didnt have to stave off invasion, it isnt bravado just that hitler was more intrested elsewhere once the battle of britain proved to costly. French resistance cut lines of communication and interuppted supplies to help the invasion of normandy to name just a few accomplishments, resistance is somthing that takes decades not years. They were actually fighting Russia and attacks from the british before america got involved, if you look at the war diarys of Churchill, Roseavelt and Hitler you will see Hitler was so worried by the optimistic attitude of the British public he was convinced the British had an allie and guessed it was Russia not America and brought forward the invasion of Russia. I have never once said America didnt help i have the utmost respect for any WW2 vet and as said would give them my heartfelt thanks but the generations that followed have got a little carried away with the fantasy rather than the facts. The war would have been won without America but millions more would have died.

[fgalkin]

Threelions, note the little word called 'Sarcasm' that is attached at the end. Sar-kaz-em.

Futheremore, the bizarre idea that somehow, Britian would have managed to resist Nazi Germany without support from the United States never fails to amaze me. Yes, one small, battered island was going to hold out for decades, drive forward, and sweep millions of Nazi soldiers off the entire continent.

No, you fool! The USSR saved you all!


Have a very nice day.
-fgalkin

[Threelions]

Threelions, note the little word called 'Sarcasm' that is attached at the end. Sar-kaz-em.

Futheremore, the bizarre idea that somehow, Britian would have managed to resist Nazi Germany without support from the United States never fails to amaze me. Yes, one small, battered island was going to hold out for decades, drive forward, and sweep millions of Nazi soldiers off the entire continent.

No, you fool! The USSR saved you all!


Have a very nice day.
-fgalkin

He has a point you know.

[The Dark]

Forget WW2. Without American involvement WW1 would have been at best a draw for the UK and France. The first and Third German attacks in 1918 where only stopped through the commitment of 65,000 American troops along with every other French and British reserve. Remove those troops and nothing can replace them. Paris falls and the French collapse.

Pfft. The Allies (minus the US) would have flat out lost the first world war. There was not a single campaign in which the Germans took more casualties than the Allies, and it was because they had superior artillery and training. They could saturate the enemy better than the enemy could return fire. The French 75s were too light to be effective, and the BEF was virtually wiped out attacking German auxilary units. Even once America joined the war, the Allies still took heavier casualties, but the Germans were promised a fair treaty, which we promptly refused to do once they left the front. If Germany had prosecuted the war to its full conclusion, it is very likely they would have won the Great War, or inflicted such severe casualties on the Allies that they would have come to a more equitable surrender situation.

[The Dark]

Why does everyone here hate the Brits?

I don't think they do. They hate the frogs. The reasons for that are, to me, a bit unclear. Other than they have made losing wars an art.

The no bathing and shaving

That's a legend. I have two friends from Paris, and both of them have assured me that is a vile slander.

The Superior attitude and inferior aptitude

They generally tend to get pissed when Americans are too much in a rush. French culture expects politeness out of people, not just to go into a store and rush back out with what you wanted 5 minutes later.

general asshole-ishness

See above.

Quebec

Won't argue there, since I only know one Quebecois, and she was a jerk.

So many reasons to hate the french and so little webspace.

Oh, c'mon, they're really not that bad. They're decent people, and it's not entirely their fault that they have such an inept government that they've rolled over in every modern war.

[BlkbrryTheGreat]

They generally tend to get pissed when Americans are too much in a rush. French culture expects politeness out of people, not just to go into a store and rush back out with what you wanted 5 minutes later.

Yes, we are such heathens for going to the store to get something we want and then not wasting our valuable time with people we hardly know or care to know. I mean jeez... how dare Americans go to a store to shop.....

[The Dark]

They generally tend to get pissed when Americans are too much in a rush. French culture expects politeness out of people, not just to go into a store and rush back out with what you wanted 5 minutes later.

Yes, we are such heathens for going to the store to get something we want and then not wasting our valuable time with people we hardly know or care to know. I mean jeez... how dare Americans go to a store to shop.....

It's their culture. If you want to go to another country, you must expect to have to play by their rules. If they come here, likewise, they must act under our rules. Intolerance of cultural differences is precisely why Americans are seen as boorish.

[Vympel]

course, I am still wondering how the russians would do without american support. lots of supplies went their way.

Hastened the Soviet victory, but didn't *decide* it. The most valuable lend-lease contribution was trucks and halftracks- allowed the mechanization of Soviet forces and allowed the factories to turn out more tanks.

[DodoBrd16]

The USAF has had a presence in space for some time now, in the form of orbiting satilites.

It most likely also has plans for orbiting weapons platforms, suborbital bombers and transports... etc... etc...etc.

[DodoBrd16]

Would just like to say, to start off, that I love you brits and I would die to protect ya if it ever came to it. Now for the rest of the post...

"Arf brilliant a idiot for my pleasure. ahem here we go...

1) You took three years to get involved.
2) We paid for your expenses and still are.
3) Show me an american vet and i'll shake his hand and buy him a drink show me a spoilt brat and i'll make him piss his pants.
4) You made so many mistakes that could have been prevented if you listened to British advice but you decide you knew better and it cost you american lives.
5) We were not in danger after the battle of britain after which we were on the offensive and you werent even involved yet.
6) It's Football not soccer as in the english game we use the foot as in foot ball.
7) Our special forces had to help your arses out of Afghanistan so many times i lost count.
8 ) This attitude is what turns people against america as i havent said one word against you up until you provoked me but you seemed to have to build your ego which tells me you personally not america lack somthing in the male department.
9) The French German and other European resistance that paved the way for american forces might have somthing to say about yor accusations.
10) If it wasnt for British support you wouldnt have a leg to stand on internationaly.
11) Read up on your history little boy then ask the real vets from the second world war and they will tell you it was a joint attack niether of the allies were more valuable than the rest.
12) Stop watching hollywood films that arent based on facts you actually have americans cracking the egnigma code when you hadnt even joined the war at the time it was cracked for gods sake.
13) The world doesnt revolve around america.
14) World series baseball yet only america competes hows that work?

To all americans with just a little brains i dont have any disrespect for you i support you in most debates over here but idiots like this will turn the world against you when you most need their support. Also give my support to the vets of the second world war its a shame their spoilt offspring should bring such shame upon their memory.
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1. America was pretty much involved from the get go, remember the lend lease act fed as well as armed England so they could continue to fight off the Luftwafta. America was also sending war supplies to the Soviet Union.

2. America spent a great deal of money on building up a war machine to not only supply our own soldiers, but British as well.

3. Show me a British Vet and I'll shake his hand as well. Brave soldiers indeed.

4. All militarys make mistakes, remember Dunkerk? If it werent for the sheer guts of many a average soldier and skipper, your entire offensive force would have been wipped out by the Luftwafta and Wermacht.

5. Foot ball(( american)) requires the use of the foot as well. For punting and kick off. Though I will say I prefer your chaps version of foot ball much more then ours.

6. It is questionable if you would have won the battle of Britain with out US war supplies. Dont get me wrong, good ol British guts and blood won it, but your boys can only do so much with out planes to fly, ammunition to shoot and food to eat.

7. Two operations if I remember correctly and if I remember correctly your boys never got into to much. Not due to un willingness, but to the fact that they were not able to find the enemy. Though I could be wrong on this, not all the data has come out on the Afghanistan campaign seeing as how it is still going strong.

8. Anti Americanism is strong in many European nations with out foolish, pig headed americans helping to fan the flames.

9. The resistance organizations were very helpfull in defeating the Nazi regime, anyone who dissagrees(sp) is a fool.

10. Most of the nations of the world just assume you will agree with us and work with us, we dont get much international support because you are with us. Dont get me wrong, I'm glad your here. Best friends we have.

12. Enigma came in various forms and those forms were cracked by both British and American forces.

13. It doesnt? Well bugger me, when did it stop doing that?

14. Stop playing Cricket and start playing baseball then petition MLB for admitance, ya just might get in

[Temjin]

Pfft. The Allies (minus the US) would have flat out lost the first world war. There was not a single campaign in which the Germans took more casualties than the Allies, and it was because they had superior artillery and training. They could saturate the enemy better than the enemy could return fire. The French 75s were too light to be effective, and the BEF was virtually wiped out attacking German auxilary units. Even once America joined the war, the Allies still took heavier casualties, but the Germans were promised a fair treaty, which we promptly refused to do once they left the front. If Germany had prosecuted the war to its full conclusion, it is very likely they would have won the Great War, or inflicted such severe casualties on the Allies that they would have come to a more equitable surrender situation.

I'm not sure this arguement is entirely true.

First off, a warning. I mean the following arguement in complete seriousness.


The Canadian Corps acheived every objective assigned to it, something no other allied force had achieved. The total Caadian casualties totaled only 60,00 for the entire war. In the whole war Canada only lost ground once, and two weeks later they got it back. German records show the the Germans respected the Canadians far better than the Americans, who were considered wasteful of men and rescources. They considered the canadians to be the most fearsome and ruthless allied force.

At Hill 70, near Lens, the Canadians were intended to divert attention from a British attack. General Currie, lured the germans into attacking him, making them vulnerable to our artillery. The Germans suffered some 30,000 casualties.

You may be wondering why I bring this up in a debate between the Americans and Brithish, but I don't like it when people totaly ignores Canada in the two World Wars.

[The Dark]

Point conceded for the Canadians, and I agree that the Americans were wasteful of manpower. However, how many Canadians were there in the Great War? Their ability does not (IMHO) outweight the general incompetence of the rest of the Allies.

[Temjin]

Point conceded for the Canadians, and I agree that the Americans were wasteful of manpower. However, how many Canadians were there in the Great War? Their ability does not (IMHO) outweight the general incompetence of the rest of the Allies.

418,000 Canadians served in WWI. And I do agree with your main point that if the Germans had kept on going, they would have most likely won. I just wanted to point out that not all of the Allies were incompetent.