Luxery VS

Bounty · Post by **Bounty** » 2005-03-11 04:22pm

The Intrepid had one too,

I don't think stock Intrepid's have a galley - Neelix built it where the officer's mess used to be.

Firefox · Post by **Firefox** » 2005-03-11 04:31pm

TNG+-era ships don't have any dedicated galley space that I've been able to see. There may be personal food storage and/or processing devices on the ships, but I've always assumed they only had replicators.

Bounty · Post by **Bounty** » 2005-03-11 04:42pm

TNG+-era ships don't have any dedicated galley space that I've been able to see. There may be personal food storage and/or processing devices on the ships, but I've always assumed they only had replicators.

They do grow their own food in the hydroponics bays - there must have some facilities to cook it.

Firefox · Post by **Firefox** » 2005-03-11 04:56pm

IIRC, Kes had to request for the creation of a hydroponics bay on Voyager. I know one was mentioned on the E-E, as well, but the E-D seemed to have only an arboretum. Any evidence this is a fleetwide luxury?

Bounty · Post by **Bounty** » 2005-03-11 05:00pm

IIRC, Kes had to request for the creation of a hydroponics bay on Voyager. I know one was mentioned on the E-E, as well, but the E-D seemed to have only an arboretum. Any evidence this is a fleetwide luxury?

A Hydroponics bay on the E-D was mentioned in Disaster (the one where the ship gets hit by a shockwave, and the crew are stuck in various crappy situations).

Lord Pounder · Post by **Lord Pounder** » 2005-03-11 05:23pm

Give me a life time pass on the Errant Venture.

Isolder74 · Post by **Isolder74** » 2005-03-11 05:25pm

A hydroponics bay it visible on the E-Nil refit in ST1-3. It appears to be a place to grow suplimentary food for the crew ond not intended as a luxury.

Firefox · Post by **Firefox** » 2005-03-11 05:31pm

That's commonly referred to as the botanical garden. I was always given the impression it was for crew recreation rather than food preparation.

Still, they didn't have replicators on the Connies, but thanks for mentioning the E-D hydroponics bay, Bounty. It still puzzles me why Kes had to ask permission to build one, unless it had to do with Voyager's mission and small size.

Star-Blighter · Post by **Star-Blighter** » 2005-03-11 08:14pm

Nieztchean Uber-Amoeba wrote:Dude, in the Federation I can have any food I ever want any time I want. I could eat Domino's Pizza for lunch, poptarts for breakfast and Greko's for dinner everyfucking night if I wanted to, with coke on the side.

Whenever I needed to get off, I'd spend an evening on the holodeck with 10 hot fucking girls and fuck their brains out. I could pretend to be some magical hero and kill orcs and shit. I could go to Risa and bathe in the glory.

Besides, technically I could live in a Wells-class Timeship according to theb OP, so that means no more Borg or Dominion and probably teraton-level weaponry too. That would totally pwn, since I could go back in time to the now to talk to my family, and then become the Holy God-Emperor of Terra, and no one would opposae me because I would bring holodecks and replicators! Sweetness!

For the experience to be worth the cost (getting killed in the holodeck for one), the girls have to be real. Besides, atleast I don't have to worry about particles of the week fucking up the hyperdrive.

I maintain that the federation has nothing to offer except a painfull death and worthless techno-trinkets.

tumbletom · Post by **tumbletom** » 2005-03-11 10:08pm

What if the holodeck messed up while you were having fun with the holodeck girls and um, the forcefields actually cut you, if you know what i mean......

Lord of the Farce · Post by **Lord of the Farce** » 2005-03-11 11:12pm

tumbletom wrote:What if the holodeck messed up while you were having fun with the holodeck girls and um, the forcefields actually cut you, if you know what i mean......

Exactly. And it's all good and well saying that you'll play some kind of holodeck program where you fight some imitation of fantasy monsters or real-life people you'd like to kill, but what happens when they start trying to kill you for real, the way Picard killed those Borg drones for real? Hmmm?

Frank Hipper · Post by **Frank Hipper** » 2005-03-12 05:22am

Hmmm...

Get all hyped up on Blood Wine (or any number of exotic replicator produced intoxicants), and have a sledge hammer fight with a holodeck Jerry Falwell before debauching a holodeck Mathew McConaughey...sounds good to me.

Sorry Galactic Empire, this is one you lose.

Darth Fanboy · Post by **Darth Fanboy** » 2005-03-12 06:29am

Frank Hipper wrote:Hmmm...

Get all hyped up on Blood Wine (or any number of exotic replicator produced intoxicants), and have a sledge hammer fight with a holodeck Jerry Falwell before debauching a holodeck Mathew McConaughey...sounds good to me.

Sorry Galactic Empire, this is one you lose.

I thought the replicators only made Synthehol, and unless you had a bootleg supply or knew a lot about replicators you couldn't get any booze.

Bounty · Post by **Bounty** » 2005-03-12 06:55am

Still, they didn't have replicators on the Connies,

They had a predecessor (the "food synthesiser"), and NX-class ships have a "protein resenquencer". These probably don't use transporter tech like a 24th C replicator, but they can make food from base resources.

I thought the replicators only made Synthehol, and unless you had a bootleg supply or knew a lot about replicators you couldn't get any booze.

Synthehol has the exact same effect as alcohol, without the hangover, so I doubt many people who go for the real thing. If you do want real booze, wine is freely available (ex Picard's vinyard); IIRC Guinan kept a supply of real alcohol; and Romulan Ale can't be that hard to get, since everyone and their dog has a supply on Trek.

brianeyci · Post by **brianeyci** » 2005-03-12 09:24am

Connies have some sort of matter reorganization device, because Kirk states that he can make tons of gems in the episode with the catwoman. Just because it isn't called replicator, that doesn't mean it is not a replicator. The so-called "food synthiziers" could be replicators. The little door closes, replication, the door reopens. The door is just another indication of how TOS is superior to TNG in every way... what happens in TNG if someone like a kid sticks their hand in the middle of the replication process?

Brian

Jawawithagun · Post by **Jawawithagun** » 2005-03-12 02:22pm

Darth Fanboy wrote:I thought the replicators only made Synthehol, and unless you had a bootleg supply or knew a lot about replicators you couldn't get any booze.

Revive the grand old fleet tradition of distilling your own.

Frank Hipper · Post by **Frank Hipper** » 2005-03-12 03:25pm

Darth Fanboy wrote:
Frank Hipper wrote:Hmmm...

Get all hyped up on Blood Wine (or any number of exotic replicator produced intoxicants), and have a sledge hammer fight with a holodeck Jerry Falwell before debauching a holodeck Mathew McConaughey...sounds good to me.

Sorry Galactic Empire, this is one you lose.
I thought the replicators only made Synthehol, and unless you had a bootleg supply or knew a lot about replicators you couldn't get any booze.

Worf supplies a luddite colonist refugee from a TNG episode with real booze from a replicator.

Kurgan · Post by **Kurgan** » 2005-03-13 03:00am

I thought you couldn't even get drunk from synthehol?

This was mentioned in Voyager at least a few times (where Seven of Nine's unusual physiology with the borg implants allowed her to get drunk on the stuff when it wasn't normally possible).

Thus I always interpreted it as the same as drinking non-alcoholic beer.

DarkSilver · Post by **DarkSilver** » 2005-03-13 05:01am

If I remember Relics episode, Data explains to Scotty what synthehol is.

I think he said it imitates the flavor without the debilitating effects of real alcohol...

but I'm pretty the replicators could reproduce actual alcohol, just specify you dont want synthehol.

I chose a Federation Ship, War GCS, no flawed Warp Core so it's nice and stable.

Also, Federation Holodecks come with pre-programmed safety features which. although you can be harmed in the environment, will not allow you to be killed, unless someone with the correct accesscodes disengages the safety protocols. So holosex for all

Post by **NecronLord** » 2005-03-13 07:41am

Synthohol does indeed inebriate you. However, when adrenaline is released, synthohol breaks down. It allows you to clear your head very quickly in an emergency.

DarkSilver · Post by **DarkSilver** » 2005-03-13 09:15pm

aaahhh, I see now..

it's been awhile since I saw Relics

thank you for the clarification NecronLord

Eleas · Post by **Eleas** » 2005-03-13 09:51pm

DarkSilver wrote:aaahhh, I see now..

it's been awhile since I saw Relics

thank you for the clarification NecronLord

As an aside, I actually approve of Synthehol, particularly on a ship that might see combat at any given moment. A buzz that fades as soon as danger rears its head strikes me as a damn solid precaution.

Anyway, I'd take a few dozen buddies on a UFP ships. We'd rotate the crew - half of the people sleep or work the ship, the other half has holodeck privileges. It's all about wish-fullfilment, and you just can't beat instant gratification.

Post by **Gandalf** » 2005-03-13 10:00pm

What luxuries does an Imperial ship even have?

For reference, I'll take the GCS. Holo-hedonism may soon be a reality.

Darth Fanboy · Post by **Darth Fanboy** » 2005-03-13 10:29pm

I wonder what else the replicator could make....(starts thinking about UPF)

Nieztchean Uber-Amoeba · Post by **Nieztchean Uber-Amoeba** » 2005-03-13 10:34pm

Note also that we have no evidence that particles or sneezinf fuckwith a Wells-class' warp core.

As for the synthehol thing, there's a secret stash of Romulan Ale on almost every fucking ship in the fleet. It must be standard issue bootleg or something. Besides, a cut scene from Nemesis reveals that real wine is still being made the old-fashioned way, since Picard opens a bottle of Chateau Picard from 2235 or something.