Best and Worst 007 Movie Ever

Post by **Vympel** » 2002-11-25 04:40am

Goldeneye is my favorite. I've never seen a Dalton Bond.

I heard In Mer Magesty's Secret Service really sucked.

Kreshna Aryaguna Nurzaman · Post by **Kreshna Aryaguna Nurzaman** » 2002-11-25 05:36am

Despite what the critics said, Octopussy is still my most favorite Bond movie. Followed closely by Goldeneye, then Thunderball.

And the *worst* Bond movie is none other than... Never Say Never Again. A Thunderball remake with less convincing Largo.

Post by **haas mark** » 2002-11-25 05:38am

I dislike all of them.

Kreshna Aryaguna Nurzaman · Post by **Kreshna Aryaguna Nurzaman** » 2002-11-25 06:25am

verilon wrote:I dislike all of them.

You dislike ALL Bond Movie??????

Post by **haas mark** » 2002-11-25 06:50am

Kreshna Aryaguna Nurzaman wrote:
verilon wrote:I dislike all of them.
You dislike ALL Bond Movie??????

I just never took a liking to them. What can I say? I liked the movie Ballistic: Ecks vs. Sever, in case you wanted to know, but I don't really like the Bond movies.

Oberleutnant · Post by **Oberleutnant** » 2002-11-25 06:54am

My favourites (in no particular order):
Live and Let Die, For Your Eyes Only, The Living Daylights, Thunderball, You Only Live Twice and From Russia With Love

My least favourites:
Goldeneye and Tomorrow Never Dies - the newer Bonds just don't have that certain charm

I think that Dalton's two movies were pretty good, although I don't think he suited for Bond's role that well. A bit more humorous approach would've been better.

Kreshna Aryaguna Nurzaman · Post by **Kreshna Aryaguna Nurzaman** » 2002-11-25 07:23am

verilon wrote:
Kreshna Aryaguna Nurzaman wrote:
verilon wrote:I dislike all of them.
You dislike ALL Bond Movie??????
I just never took a liking to them. What can I say? I liked the movie Ballistic: Ecks vs. Sever, in case you wanted to know, but I don't really like the Bond movies.

What's Ballistic? Do you have more info on the movie?

Post by **haas mark** » 2002-11-25 07:31am

Kreshna Aryaguna Nurzaman wrote:
verilon wrote:
Kreshna Aryaguna Nurzaman wrote: You dislike ALL Bond Movie??????
I just never took a liking to them. What can I say? I liked the movie Ballistic: Ecks vs. Sever, in case you wanted to know, but I don't really like the Bond movies.
What's Ballistic? Do you have more info on the movie?

It's got Lucy Liu and Antonio Banderas. Came out this summer. I dunno if it went to video or DVD, but if you have a second-hand thatre, it might be there.

el blanco · Post by **el blanco** » 2002-11-25 03:06pm

Dude, Ballistic sucked. Royally.

Best Bond: Duh, Goldfinger followed by Live and let die, Goldeneye, The World is not Enough, and The Spy who Loved Me

Worst: Her Majesty's Secret Service( Not Lazenby's fault though), Never Say never again, View to a Kill, both Daulton's and I don't like Tomorrow Never Dies.

A good Bond movie rests entirely with the girls and the villains. The villain has to be so evil, you like him.

HemlockGrey · Post by **HemlockGrey** » 2002-11-25 03:59pm

POKE!

Post by **weemadando** » 2002-11-25 08:31pm

Thunderball, Man With the Golden Gun, and You Only Live Twice are my top 3.

Bottom 3. Tomorrow Never Dies, Golden Eye and The World Is Not Enough.

Suffice to say I despise the new Bond.

Darth Yoshi · Post by **Darth Yoshi** » 2002-11-25 08:45pm

Goldfinger. Licence to Kill (is that the drug lord one?) could have used improvement, but the girl was attractive.

What was up with Never Say Never Again, anyway? The ending sucked.

Evil Sadistic Bastard · Post by **Evil Sadistic Bastard** » 2002-11-25 08:50pm

Darth Yoshi wrote:Goldfinger. Licence to Kill (is that the drug lord one?) could have used improvement, but the girl was attractive.

What was up with Never Say Never Again, anyway? The ending sucked.

I liked Goldfinger myself. Jill Masterton (even the surname's sexy) painyted in gold... mmm...

Patrick Degan · Post by **Patrick Degan** » 2002-11-25 10:13pm

Darth Yoshi wrote:What was up with Never Say Never Again, anyway? The ending sucked.

(EDIT correction)
NSNA was the rival 007 movie which came out at the same time as Octopussy and produced by Kevin McClory, who owned the rights to SPECTRE and all its characters, such as Ernst Stavro Blofeld. A much publicised (at the time) legal dispute over the deal to remake Thunderball led to McClory's departure from MGM, and he took with him all the elements of the Bond series he invented, co-invented with Ian Flemming, or supervised the development of, including the movie Thunderball, which NSNA was a camp remake of.

NSNA was a throwback film in many ways —deliberately so— to invoke the classic atmosphere of the original Connery films. It devolved more on plot and character than gadgets and gimmickry which the mainline 007 series was increasingly using as crutches. A lot of critics and "purists" panned NSNA, but it is acknowledged as having one of the better villains in the form of Klaus Maria Brandauer's Maximillian Largo and two of the yummier Bond girls, Barbara Carrera and Kim Bassenger. And for all its faults, all its campiness, all its retrograde elements, this movie has more dignity to it than Octopussy managed, which features a climax where Roger Moore defuses a bomb while wearing clown makeup. An wholly unintentional yet oddly appropos commentary on his Bond at the time; Moore was only two years away from limping off the stage for good in the terminally embarassing A View To A Kill.

Never Say Never Again and Octopussy were both released simultaneously in the summer of 1983 in what was billed then as "The Battle Of The Bonds". An interesting competition to say the least —an intentional semi-parody of the 007 series v. the clueless self-parody the 007 series had become. Of the two, I'd say NSNA was the better Bond.

desertjedi · Post by **desertjedi** » 2002-11-26 03:53am

My favorite Bond movie...

A View to A Kill... Just kidding....

No really my Faves: Goldeneye and Goldfinger, Connery and Brosnan rock, I just wish Brosnan wasn't on Remington Steel so he could have done all of those god-awful Dalton films... he was so damn boring...

and the Bond film I love to hate: A view to a kill
View had such potential, such a great actor as the main villain (Walken). He could have been so great.. maybe he was too young... or the writing was JUST HORRIBLE. Then, there was Grace Jones... Grace Jones? Now maybe I was too young to remember what was so grreat about Grace Jones, I was only eight but still! Damn she still scares me. Well enough rom a raving lunatic... or a certified genius... you decide.

Patrick Degan · Post by **Patrick Degan** » 2002-11-26 05:04am

desertjedi wrote:I just wish Brosnan wasn't on Remington Steel so he could have done all of those god-awful Dalton films... he was so damn boring...

In point of fact, Pierce Brosnan was Cubby's first choice to take over the role of 007 after Moore's inauspicous departure following the disaster that was A View To A Kill, and Brosnan wanted it. But NBC would not release him from his committment to Remington Steele nor would they even "share" him with MGM, so Timothy Dalton became Bond Number Four instead. Steele tanked the next year and Brosnan had to wait seven years to finally have his shot at the part that by rights should have gone to him in 1986.

But he made it in the end. Pity they couldn't have better films for his Bond, though.

THEHOOLIGANJEDI · Post by **THEHOOLIGANJEDI** » 2002-11-26 01:59pm

Knife wrote:Moonracker, Goldfinger, Octopussy, and Goldeneye were my favorites. I really like the Roger Moore and Pierce Bronson ones. The worst ones were the two with Timithy Dalton.

I'll have too agree 100% He wasn't Bond to me.

greenmm · Post by **greenmm** » 2002-11-26 04:46pm

Living Daylights, Octopussy, and License to Kill are probably at the bottom of the barrel, although Never Say Never Again probably beats them out (I mean really, Sean Connery was way too old to be Bond at that point).

That being said, I think You Only Live Twice was one of the better Bond films. It had SPECTRE in it, Blofeld (played by Donald Pleasance, a wonderful character actor), and a Bond girl (his "wife") that wasn't a supermodel.

Yes, that's right: I liked the fact that the "Bond Girl" wasn't some supermodel-type that would be "unattainable" for the majority of us. She wasn't plain, but she was probably about average in looks. But it shows how Bond finds a lot of women attractive, and perhaps shows us that physical beauty isn't everything (I know, shocking to find a moral lesson in a Bond film, huh?)

Also, if you consider it, it might have even been controversal, in that the Bond Girls in the film weren't Anglo-Saxon in their looks. And as an interracial Bond Girl, it predates by nearly a decade Moore's Bond Girl from View to a Kill.

Setzer · Post by **Setzer** » 2002-11-26 05:41pm

Vympel wrote:Goldeneye is my favorite. I've never seen a Dalton Bond.

I heard In Mer Magesty's Secret Service really sucked.

Have you seen the MST3k where they Mist Final justice? My brother and I both agreed that Joe Don Baker was a better hero then Lazenby. JOE DON FUCKING BAKER!!!!!!!

Post by **haas mark** » 2002-11-26 05:42pm

el blanco wrote:Dude, Ballistic sucked. Royally.

IYO. I share the sentiment about the Bond movies. *shrug*

Patrick Degan · Post by **Patrick Degan** » 2002-11-26 11:00pm

greenmm wrote:Living Daylights, Octopussy, and License to Kill are probably at the bottom of the barrel, although Never Say Never Again probably beats them out (I mean really, Sean Connery was way too old to be Bond at that point).

Older than Roger Moore? He was in better shape than pruneface in Octopussy. Nor did Connery ever do a scene in clown makeup.

grenmm wrote:That being said, I think You Only Live Twice was one of the better Bond films. It had SPECTRE in it, Blofeld (played by Donald Pleasance, a wonderful character actor), and a Bond girl (his "wife") that wasn't a supermodel.

One of my favourites as well. Superb model work by Derek Meddings, the best Blofeld (Pleasance), and there is no topping the climatic raid of the SPECTRE base when the commandos blast their way inside and slide down on the cables. One of the best Bond battles in the whole series.

grenmm wrote:Yes, that's right: I liked the fact that the "Bond Girl" wasn't some supermodel-type that would be "unattainable" for the majority of us. She wasn't plain, but she was probably about average in looks. But it shows how Bond finds a lot of women attractive, and perhaps shows us that physical beauty isn't everything (I know, shocking to find a moral lesson in a Bond film, huh?)

The women in this one were the most natural beauties of all the Bond girls. So were many of the ones in the 60s 007 films. The trend towards silicone blow-up dolls or anorexic pixies is a recent one.

grenmm wrote:Also, if you consider it, it might have even been controversal, in that the Bond Girls in the film weren't Anglo-Saxon in their looks. And as an interracial Bond Girl, it predates by nearly a decade Moore's Bond Girl from View to a Kill.

Unfortunately, in that time period a white with an Asian was considered a "safer" matchup than a white with a black; the former pairing had been sort of a cultural staple for at least a couple of decades and was popularised in the 1965 Shirley McLaine movie Madame Butterfly. Also, in The Bridges Of Toko-Ri (1958 —William Holden, Grace Kelly, Fredric March, Mickey Rooney), a movie about carrier pilots in the Korean War, the Mickey Rooney character has a Japanese fianceé. The pairing of white with Asian was probably less controversial because more than a few World War II veterans came home with Japanese brides. But white/black pairings were still considered verbötten in a time when it was a massive fight simply to get a lot of white people used to the idea that blacks had rights as well.

Icehawk · Post by **Icehawk** » 2002-11-27 01:29am

Tommorow Never Dies seems to be one of the more hated Bond films here, but from what I remember, it seemed pretty good and I actually enjoyed it as much as World is Not Enough. What was so bad about it?

irishmick79 · Post by **irishmick79** » 2002-11-27 02:40pm

Totally agree about Tommorow Never Dies. I don't know why it's so hated. Since when did the bond franchise give two shits about being realistic? Come on. You've got Lucy Liu, Terri Hatcher, and a pretty good theme song from Sheryl Crow. The villian spent most of the time with a maniacal twinkle in his eye, and his henchmen were appropriately vicious. What more could you ask for?

Any of the Pierce Brosnan bond flicks are better than Roger Moore's best offerings. Don't get me wrong, I liked some of Moore's flicks, but Brosnan fits the role much better than he ever did. That being said, I nominate Live and Let Die as the worst bond flick ever. Just simply the worst dispatching of a Bond villian in the entire Franchise.

Best Bond flick would have to be a toss up between Thunderball and Goldeneye. Thunderball has the dangerous italian chick in it, and who doesn't have fond memories of the legendary N64 "Goldeneye" shooter?

Speaking of Bond video games, has anyone else picked up 007: Nightfire? It's pretty kick ass.

C.S.Strowbridge · Post by **C.S.Strowbridge** » 2002-11-27 02:52pm

My personal favourite is Goldeneye, loved the new Bond, LOVED Famke Janssen, loved the tank chase. I'm planning on buying the Bond Box set just for that movie.

Worst. ... I can't name one.

Bond movies are like pizza, even when it's bad it's still pretty good.

Asst. Asst. Lt. Cmdr. Smi · Post by **Asst. Asst. Lt. Cmdr. Smi** » 2002-11-27 03:29pm

Tomorrow Never Dies did have many good action scenes, but the plot wasn't all that origional (It had to be the third time in a Bond film the villian was trying to start a war). It seemed to appeal to those who prefer the all action, no plot-type people. Even Brosnan himself didn't like it that much. He believed Bond should have been more realistic, and have more character. In my opinion, TWINE was an improvement in this area, although it wasn't as good as Goldeneye.