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let's see, force lighning, falling abour 500 stories, possibility of behing hit by air speeders (or anything else) and he had his hand/forearm sliced off to make it difficult to grab onto anything. (both arms would be needed to even make an attempt. imo)

yeah he's dead.


someone mentioned to me though, "wouldn't it be cool if he wasn't dead and at the end of the live action series, Mace shows up only to have Vader appear and kill him?" lol yeah ok.

He's dead Jim...er I mean I find it highly unlikely that he survived. I say the lightning got him.

But you all know that some moron like KJA will bring him bake as a clone or some shit, just mark my words.

I think...when they re-release the old films (i've heard they have plans to) it'd be cool if at the end of ROTJ they show all the partying and celebration and this old man is sitting watching the fireworks, no hands, and we see under his hood is a slightly older Sam Jackson/Mace Windu and he like nods like "Yeah they finally beat his Sith ass!" implying he survived but went into exile.

Nah... just add all the Jedi to the Sith spirits scene in ROTJ. Whith there sabres raised high saluting Luke. Iris out...

Spartan wrote:Nah... just add all the Jedi to the Sith spirits scene in ROTJ. Whith there sabres raised high saluting Luke. Iris out...

But that violates the reason that they could stay as spirits for so long - the Whillis Process, as brought back by Qui-Gon. Most of the Jedi souls should have disintegrated long ago.

Dead as a Dodo. We've only seen one other dude's skeleton, and guess what? He died.

Pcm979 wrote:Dead as a Dodo. We've only seen one other dude's skeleton, and guess what? He died.

I think, though, largely because his artificial lungs were damaged not particularly from the attack itself on his body.

Kazuaki Shimazaki wrote:

But that violates the reason that they could stay as spirits for so long - the Whillis Process, as brought back by Qui-Gon. Most of the Jedi souls should have disintegrated long ago.

Yeah, but that rule is already broken, since no one ever taught Anakin the method. Also there are plenty of Jedi that manage to do it despite never learning how to do it in the EU. Ulric Kel Droma comes intantly to mind as do Lukes padawans in Dark Empire 2.

Spartan wrote:Yeah, but that rule is already broken, since no one ever taught Anakin the method.

I was thinking that might have been because:
1) He is only dead for hours at the end of the film. The Whillis Process is not essential for a short existence - Palpy lasted long enough to make it back to his clones, and he would never have qualified for the Whillis Process. Those Jedi of which you speak are dead for decades.
2) He was probably taught by Qui-Gon during the time that he hadn't already disintegrated.

As for Droma and Padawans, what happened to them?

The film and novelization at least seems adamant this is not any kind of common thing available to any Jedi. So it'd still be a violation to let them show up.

(Man, now I'm beginning to hate Dark Empire, like Vympel before me).

Who said Anakin never learned it? Heck, he could've learned it and decided not to tell Palpatine out of spite. Or maybe that Willie Method also involved saving other souls, not just your own.

And the movies trump the EU. So no, EU stuff won't break the rule (unless the rule was also EU or something).

A dark spot on the pavement.

I've heard Mace Windu's death being compared with anime deaths (particularly DBZ-style anime). I find it kinda fitting, since when I thought about it Mace Windu as a character would probably fit in in one of those shows, IMHO.

Suddenly i wish for a scene, where two clone-troopers report to Palpatine, that they scratched what was left of Mace Windu from the floor.

Just to make sure he stays dead.

My prediction is that either in an EU novel or comic book we will see Mace survived and recovered. (Ie Boba Fett) He decides to mount a one man offensive to try and kill the Emporer, almost accomplishes his goal but is destroyed by Vader.

I liked the idea of Mace surviving long enough for him to recover some and then Vader shows up and wastes him.

The other possibility is that as he's falling he gets sucked into the intake of a large speeder and gets spit out in a fine red mist. Of course it will have to look like he's probably going to make it and then brrrrrrrrrrrrrrr fump splash. Nope, didn't make it.


If they were going to use any of the major characters for the new live action TV show it would be cool to see Vader and crew hunting down the few straggling remaining Jedi, which could include Mace, but since they aren't going to do that he might as well be dead. Truthfully, other than showing him vaporize on impact with the ground I don't know how much more clearly they could have made it that Mace was done. I thought it was a cool way for him to go, although I would have liked to see him fight a few more times than what was in the movies.

Still, being a comic fan I know that nobody stays dead forever. Especially if there's enough fanboy demand for it.

Maybe Mace will get some more face time in RotS: Infinites.

Surviving amputation? Sure, how many times have we seen that?

Surviving Force Lightning? Sure, we've seen that too.

Surviving a ridiculously long fall? Maybe, Jedi have been known to surivive falls by using the force; Yoda and Obi Wan come to mind. Though the falls they survive weren't nearly as long as the fall Mace would have endured.

Suriving all three? I don't think so!

Mace is dead. Accept it and move on.

Mace is a crispy fried rodent, mmkay? He's dead, he's toast, he's completely and totally gone.

Yeah, Mace is gone, and if he ain´t, he will be in any post-ROTS EU.

Meanwhile, Grievous gets resurrected by a mad scientist(TM) and is alive and kicking 20 years later. Life just isn´t fair.

I often wonder what poor speeder operator or pedestrian was lucky enough to be flattened by the tumbling Windu. . .

Kazuaki Shimazaki wrote:

I was thinking that might have been because:
1) He is only dead for hours at the end of the film. The Whillis Process is not essential for a short existence - Palpy lasted long enough to make it back to his clones, and he would never have qualified for the Whillis Process. Those Jedi of which you speak are dead for decades.

Possibly

2) He was probably taught by Qui-Gon during the time that he hadn't already disintegrated.

I recall no reference to Jedi spirits disintegrating, but I take your meaning.

As for Droma and Padawans, what happened to them?

They became one with the force and disappeared ala Yoda and Obi-Wan. Its interesting in their case because: Ulric was blinded to the force, while Luke's padawan's had less than a month of training and still manage it....without having been taught!

Ofcourse this all happened before TPM came out back when the EU uniformly had Jedi disappear at death. As I recall when Luke was out looking for Jedi Holocrons he found the remains of more than one Jedi slain by Vader. Or should I say no remains as it was simply a bisected robe.

The film and novelization at least seems adamant this is not any kind of common thing available to any Jedi. So it'd still be a violation to let them show up.

Yeah, GL screw the pooch on that score, everyone pretty much assumed that ghosting out was the Jedi way and exploding was the Sith way. The PT changed all that. Heck remember when it took a Jedi to kill a Jedi? and the Force was Mystical. Dang how time change.

(Man, now I'm beginning to hate Dark Empire, like Vympel before me).

Some parts are decent volume 1 for instance the remainder is utter shit.

Dalton wrote:I hold fast to the belief that if you don't see the body, don't count someone out as dead.

I have a feeling that we DID see the body. Palpy was just tossing the corpse out the window.

But that may just be my dislike for Windu talking...

Shroom Man 777 wrote:

Who said Anakin never learned it? Heck, he could've learned it and decided not to tell Palpatine out of spite. Or maybe that Willie Method also involved saving other souls, not just your own.

From who exactly? You do realize that one has to have compasion to accomplish said feat. Qui-Gon specifically states that a Sith could never achieve it. And your speculating by the way.

And the movies trump the EU. So no, EU stuff won't break the rule (unless the rule was also EU or something).

Your mistaken, The EU stands unless specifically refuted by Canon. Besides its not a secret method anyway, the only requirement is compassion. Besides you can't extrapolate what Qui-Gon says to all era's. Perhaps it was knowledge that was known and later lost. 4,000 year before ANH, true Jedi Masters disappeared and joined the Force. Qui-Rann also trained Kyle Katarann from beyond the grave, post ANH. You would be hard pressed to refute that much of the EU on your interpretation, of canon.

He's totally, completely dead.

But, what if... He somehow survived the fall for several hundreds of meters, dinged an airspeeder and crashed down on Coruscant lower-levels?
He more-or-less heals, completely turns to the Dark Side (since he was already threading that line when he tried to kill Palpatine), and becomes a crime lord, easily controlling a whole hemisphere of the planet. But unfortunately, he was on the wrong place, at the wrong time, when that Executor (the Lusankaya?) took off, being crushed to a pulp by the repulsor sled and billions of tons of debris.

Warspite wrote:He's totally, completely dead.

But, what if... He somehow survived the fall for several hundreds of meters, dinged an airspeeder and crashed down on Coruscant lower-levels?
He more-or-less heals, completely turns to the Dark Side (since he was already threading that line when he tried to kill Palpatine), and becomes a crime lord, easily controlling a whole hemisphere of the planet. But unfortunately, he was on the wrong place, at the wrong time, when that Executor (the Lusankaya?) took off, being crushed to a pulp by the repulsor sled and billions of tons of debris.

OKay.....and Palpatine would let him live down there for decades unassailed why?

Pure Sabacc wrote: OKay.....and Palpatine would let him live down there for decades unassailed why?

It's all part of his master plan! (from a certain point of view...)

When he finally blew out the window after Palpatine toasted him with force lightning, he looked like little more than a blackened skeleton with jedi clothes on. That, plus the amount of physical damage taken by Palpatine due to his own reflected force lightning, means Windu is moooooooooost likely dead.