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Summary execution for gross incompetence. A crime by todays standards but in a lot of militaries past and present it would be fully expected. Certainly it's justified as both botched their responsibilities and potentially cost lives.

This is true. In the ESB noveliaztion, it is stated that two escortinf ISD's were damaged and possibly destroyed on the hyperspace reversion. Justified execution, at least in the military.

As a note, about charges of him being accesory to the destruction of Alderaan, has it ever been established who was a superior to who in that instance?

Glimmervoid wrote:

Xisiqomelir wrote:Re: #7

Didn't Obi-Wan become One With The Force BEFORE Vader's saber made contact with him?

Yes you are right he started to disapear before the lightsaber made contact.

Well that clears him of that one, then.

Vympel wrote: 1. Slaughter of a Tusken Raider village, down to the last man, woman and child (AotC);

Crime

2. Killing several Geonosians (AotC);

Not a crime. Anakin came under attack, it was neccasary to defend Padme, regardless of having should not been there in the first place.

3. Murder of Count Dooku, an unarmed prisoner (RotS);

I'm sketchy on this one, because had Anakin not killed Count Dooku, he would have been tried (we know this is policy given that Anakin pleaded so when Mace was urging to take Palpatines life). The fact that Mace was willing to take the life of Palpatine, a then unarmed prisoner, clouds judgement some what.

Probaly a crime. But one that I almost certainly think could have been overlooked by those that supposedly enforce it.

4. Murder of many Jedi Younglings, Padawans, Knights and Masters (RotS);

Definate crime.

5. Murder of the entire Separatist Council;

Crime

6. Murder of Captain Antilles of the Tantive IV (ANH);

Crime, but one that Vader could reconcile if need be through the Rebels action aboard the Tantive IV.

7. Killing of Obi-Wan Kenobi, Jedi Master (ANH);

Not a crime. Obi Wan had sabotaged the tractor beam aboard the Death Star and engaged Vader in a duel. Hardly criminal given the situation and perspective, but almost certainly not a crime.

8. Shot down Gold Two, Gold Leader (Tiree, Dutch) Gold Five, Red Twelve, Red Ten, Red Leader, and Red Three (Biggs Darklighter) (ANH); and

Not a crime.

9. Summary execution of Admiral Ozzel, Captain Needa (TESB).

Crime.

Lusankya wrote:Don't be ridiculous. Palpatine's a far better villain than Vader.

Better-looking too.

I was about to shoot my mouth off and say WTF?, but a moment of thought later and I actually have to agree with you, but only as far as the OT goes.

Pure Sabacc wrote:

Summary execution for gross incompetence. A crime by todays standards but in a lot of militaries past and present it would be fully expected. Certainly it's justified as both botched their responsibilities and potentially cost lives.

This is true. In the ESB noveliaztion, it is stated that two escortinf ISD's were damaged and possibly destroyed on the hyperspace reversion. Justified execution, at least in the military.

Not to mention the critical botching of military operations, both for Ozzel and Needa. They both screwed up royally and both should have known better or at least done more. It's strongly implied that both simply slacked off and screwed up because of that. Far more important to the Empire (and most militaries) they cost the mission objectives, potentially critical ones.

Pure Sabacc wrote:As a note, about charges of him being accesory to the destruction of Alderaan, has it ever been established who was a superior to who in that instance?

Not entirely as there are some orders involved too which complicate it. Suffice to say that both legally and phsyically Darth Vader could have put a stop to it had he wished to do so; he did not. That makes him at least culpable by todays standards though by any others it would be much, much more difficult.

Freeman's Trigger-Finger wrote:

5. Murder of the entire Separatist Council;

Crime

6. Murder of Captain Antilles of the Tantive IV (ANH);

Crime, but one that Vader could reconcile if need be through the Rebels action aboard the Tantive IV.

On the contrary, both could be easily sanctioned as the summary execution of traitors and spys.

The Seperatists were traitors, that's cut and dry; Anakin was given orders to see them in their graves. In damn near every society but the present day west that wouldn't raise an eyebrow. It was stone cold and vicious but one can easily regard it as a traitors just rewards.

Captain Antilles was clearly a traitor and engaged in espionage. He and any crew aware of the mission they were carrying out on the ship were liable for immediate execution as spies. Like the famous Vietnam photo of the executed Viet Cong, we misjudge the rules of war based on sentiment.

Freeman's Trigger-Finger wrote:

9. Summary execution of Admiral Ozzel, Captain Needa (TESB).

Crime.

Again, argueable because both displayed gross incompetence, potentially costing major operations and the lives of soldiers and sailors of the Empire.

Freeman's Trigger-Finger wrote:

Vympel wrote: 1. Slaughter of a Tusken Raider village, down to the last man, woman and child (AotC);

Crime

Was it? Based on what law?

It may not have been moral, but if it were a crime why wasn't Anakin placed under arrest? Of course what constitutes a crime in a place that is essentially lawless?