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See the Rots novelization page I did. Dark Jedi being a different thing from Sith Lords is *very* canon.

FTeik wrote:Question is, why was Jerec playing archeologist when a war was fought?

Perhaps he was sent to retrieve artifacts before the Sith could reach them.

FTeik wrote:And why did he go back, if the "return home" signal from the Jedi-temple was switched to "stay away as far as possible"?

He was in the Unknown Regions; why would the Holonet-relayed signal reach there at sufficient strength?

What would it matter if there are more than two Sith? The Emperor rules the Galaxy now and the ultimate goal of the Sith--the destruction of the Jedi and domination--has been fulfilled. The Emperor can break the rules now since the Sith aren't in hiding, and building a Sith Empire is largely his goal...if his title as Dark Lord of the Sith shall not do, then he being Emperor of the Galaxy shall.

Turning Jedi to the dark side is more of a means to an end. While they may not be taught the full barrage of Sith powers, the Emperor has taught his dark side disciples, e.g. Sedriss etc a large amount of Sith abilities, like the ability to conjure Force Storms or dark side alchemy. Others are simply rogue dark siders outside this group whom the Emperor has still taught Sith abilities, such as Grand Admiral Declann.

Then there are those who are simply dark side users, such as his Hands. However, there are two main Sith Lords, Sidious and Vader. They rule the Galaxy together, hold the true positions of power, and I'll be damned if Vader isn't more powerful than all other dark side users in the Empire, 'cept Sidious. He is heir to Sith, a Dark Lord, and if His Imperial Majesty should die, he would most probably take the reigns of Imperial sovereignty in his hands.

Vympel wrote:See the Rots novelization page I did. Dark Jedi being a different thing from Sith Lords is *very* canon.

The thing is though, even if Dark Jedi and Sith are different - and there is every reason to believe that they are, after all the Sith must have more knowledge in the Dark Side of the Force given they've been studying it for millenia over someone who just turned - the Emperor was still playing with fire by having so many Dark Side underlings and not BDZ Dathomir.

The Nightsisters displayed Force Lightning (a Sith power according to Lucas), a Force Net that cuts up bodies into little cubes (as of SbS), etc. They were clearly evolving in their understanding of the Dark Side. Which was the catch 22 really - the whole reason Darth Bane made it just two. Sooner or later others are gonna find out stuff that you wish they hadn't, and could be a threat to you.

Better just have your apprentice assasinate you; but still continue the Sith Order, rather than having yet another war amongst Sith/other darkside users which would ultimately, one way or the other, hurt the Sith Order.

Imperator Galacticus wrote:Then there are those who are simply dark side users, such as his Hands.

I'm not sure that the Hands were 'dark side users' - in fact I don't think they were even Force users (in the conventional sense). The Emperor circumvented that by making them draw on His power - rather than on the Force itself - given Mara's history. Although I don't know about the other Hands.

See above for the rest of your post though.

The witches of Dathomir were more or less permanently stuck on their planet, though. There's no need to waste potential resources when a possible threat is effectively stranded.

Spanky The Dolphin wrote:The witches of Dathomir were more or less permanently stuck on their planet, though. There's no need to waste potential resources when a possible threat is effectively stranded.

Ture. But C'boath could influence (or was it control) ships lightyears apart. While granted the Nightsisters hadn't cottoned onto that little trick as of TCoPL, it would only be a matter of time.

Also what happened to Mace's home planet? It was also populated by decendants of Jedi with all of them being Force sensitive. Unlike Dathomir they did have access to off-world travel.

Crown wrote:Also what happened to Mace's home planet? It was also populated by decendants of Jedi with all of them being Force sensitive. Unlike Dathomir they did have access to off-world travel.

Oh, well they could have probably been BDZed then.

Crown wrote:

Spanky The Dolphin wrote:The witches of Dathomir were more or less permanently stuck on their planet, though. There's no need to waste potential resources when a possible threat is effectively stranded.

Ture. But C'boath could influence (or was it control) ships lightyears apart. While granted the Nightsisters hadn't cottoned onto that little trick as of TCoPL, it would only be a matter of time.

Unlikely, when the Jedi where driven off Dathomie they retained the records taken from the Jedi ship, however they where to be denied the abilites to read them and thus couldn't be trained to better force knowledge. While the head witch was very powerful even a half trained Jedi like Luke had power they couldn't imagine. They where a long way off having the kind of power needed to dominate minds from lightyears away.

Lord Pounder wrote:

Crown wrote:Ture. But C'boath could influence (or was it control) ships lightyears apart. While granted the Nightsisters hadn't cottoned onto that little trick as of TCoPL, it would only be a matter of time.

Unlikely, when the Jedi where driven off Dathomie they retained the records taken from the Jedi ship, however they where to be denied the abilites to read them and thus couldn't be trained to better force knowledge. While the head witch was very powerful even a half trained Jedi like Luke had power they couldn't imagine. They where a long way off having the kind of power needed to dominate minds from lightyears away.

And yet, their understanding of the Dark Side reached Sith levels by movie standard, do you see the problem? Sure they were still thinking of the Force in terms of 'spells', but the Nightsisters were quite adapt at using the Jedi Mind Trick (TM) regardless.

Crown wrote:The Nightsisters displayed Force Lightning (a Sith power according to Lucas), a Force Net that cuts up bodies into little cubes (as of SbS), etc.

There's always going to be risk; the simple fact is that Palpatine couldn't fulfill his needs and plans between just himself and Lord Vader, and this is the ideal compromise.

And there appears to be a difference between Force Lightning and Sith Lightning. Unless you suppose Jacen and Jaina are well-versed in the Sith arts (goddamn its so bloody stupid to have them throw Force lightning like a tantrum and without any long-term consequences goddamn arrgh).

Illuminatus Primus wrote:

Crown wrote:The Nightsisters displayed Force Lightning (a Sith power according to Lucas), a Force Net that cuts up bodies into little cubes (as of SbS), etc.

There's always going to be risk; the simple fact is that Palpatine couldn't fulfill his needs and plans between just himself and Lord Vader, and this is the ideal compromise.

And there appears to be a difference between Force Lightning and Sith Lightning. Unless you suppose Jacen and Jaina are well-versed in the Sith arts (goddamn its so bloody stupid to have them throw Force lightning like a tantrum and without any long-term consequences goddamn arrgh).

It’s possible some force acts are instinctual. Like using the force to push away some one or force lightning last some require training and practice (i.e. life after death).

P.s. what do people think of my new avatar (I did not draw it i cant draw to save my self).

Nightsister lightning and Sith lightning are in two different ballparks here, my friends. Sith lightning is much more powerful, for one thing.

Darth Maul in combat with a Nightsister right before the events of TPM, was lightninged by her after defeating her in saber combat. When the Nightsister saw her approaching defeat, she unleashed Force Lightning on Maul, who staggered backwards for a couple of seconds. (ref:Darth Maul comic series)

Immediately after, however, Maul rises like the Terminator and approaches her unimpeded, to which her only response is..."How can you resis...I know what you must be..." and is consequently chopped in two halves.

Illuminatus Primus wrote:

Crown wrote:The Nightsisters displayed Force Lightning (a Sith power according to Lucas), a Force Net that cuts up bodies into little cubes (as of SbS), etc.

There's always going to be risk; the simple fact is that Palpatine couldn't fulfill his needs and plans between just himself and Lord Vader, and this is the ideal compromise.

And there appears to be a difference between Force Lightning and Sith Lightning. Unless you suppose Jacen and Jaina are well-versed in the Sith arts (goddamn its so bloody stupid to have them throw Force lightning like a tantrum and without any long-term consequences goddamn arrgh).

Motherfucker, I forgot about the NJO stupidity ... errr . But we basically agree, he was playing with fire.

Imperator Galacticus wrote:Nightsister lightning and Sith lightning are in two different ballparks here, my friends. Sith lightning is much more powerful, for one thing.

Darth Maul in combat with a Nightsister right before the events of TPM, was lightninged by her after defeating her in saber combat. When the Nightsister saw her approaching defeat, she unleashed Force Lightning on Maul, who staggered backwards for a couple of seconds. (ref:Darth Maul comic series)

Immediately after, however, Maul rises like the Terminator and approaches her unimpeded, to which her only response is..."How can you resis...I know what you must be..." and is consequently chopped in two halves.

Sounds like a good read, but all you're telling me is that Maul was more powerfull than that particular Nightsister. Contrast that to Luke who nearly fucking died in CoPL and you'll see my point.

Crown wrote:Sounds like a good read, but all you're telling me is that Maul was more powerfull than that particular Nightsister. Contrast that to Luke who nearly fucking died in CoPL and you'll see my point.

Actually, it was a horrid read. 'OMG MAUL IS TEH UBER-UNSTOPPABLE!!!!!1111!!!oneone111!!' Maul walks in and wipes out a small army of elite killers working for the boss of Dark Sun, and walks out without a scratch.

Wait, my bad. He did get a scratch.

One-handed writing at its worst.

As for the Rule of Two, Palpatine isn't exactly required to follow any of the rules of Sith teachings... it's not like the Sith Police are going to show up and cite him for violation of the Sith code. As the living embodiment of the Sith he's free to interpet the strictures any way he damn well pleases.