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Crazedwraith wrote:

Crown wrote:Again, I don't mean to be combative but it's a bunch of horseshit the NJO was rife with that I rather stamp out when I spot it, please watch the movies. Luke can not read the remote's mind, Obi-Wan, Anakin and Qui-Gon can not read the battle droids' minds. And yet they have absolutely no problem with blocking their fire.

Just palying Devil's advocate here but having minds or not droids still exist in the force the Vong do not. Jedi still only have precog agasint them but the lack of force dampens it down so it only tris their danger sense at the last second.

Crown wrote:

Crazedwraith wrote:

Crown wrote:Again, I don't mean to be combative but it's a bunch of horseshit the NJO was rife with that I rather stamp out when I spot it, please watch the movies. Luke can not read the remote's mind, Obi-Wan, Anakin and Qui-Gon can not read the battle droids' minds. And yet they have absolutely no problem with blocking their fire.

Just palying Devil's advocate here but having minds or not droids still exist in the force the Vong do not. Jedi still only have precog agasint them but the lack of force dampens it down so it only tris their danger sense at the last second.

Droids do not exist in the Force, just ask Joruus C'boath! (DFR reference - also Luke said something similar so no we can't write it off as a batshit insane clone's rantings) And it was also touched upon on Children of the Jedi (IIR the titel correctly), you know the one where that kid has to get cybernetic implants in order to read and influence droid minds.


EDIT :: Besides, in ANH it is spelled out loud and clear; Luke says he could almost see the remote - not read its thoughts!

Crazedwraith wrote:

Crown wrote:

Crazedwraith wrote:

Just palying Devil's advocate here but having minds or not droids still exist in the force the Vong do not. Jedi still only have precog agasint them but the lack of force dampens it down so it only tris their danger sense at the last second.

Droids do not exist in the Force, just ask Joruus C'boath! (DFR reference - also Luke said something similar so no we can't write it off as a batshit insane clone's rantings) And it was also touched upon on Children of the Jedi (IIR the titel correctly), you know the one where that kid has to get cybernetic implants in order to read and influence droid minds.


EDIT :: Besides, in ANH it is spelled out loud and clear; Luke says he could almost see the remote - not read its thoughts!

Everything exists in the force, straight from Yoda in ESB. Certinally droid Consciousness may not exsist per se but the raw materials they are made do just like rocks and air.

The Vong are black holes. And referencing Conquest (the Novel not the fanfic) they sort of dampen the force around them limiting jedi perceptions similarly to the shroud of the dark side.

Praxis wrote:

Caius wrote:I always liked Corran Horn through the series. He was interesting and could kick some but when needed. He wasn't the most powerful, but I enjoyed him in the "master jedi" role better than Luke. Luke seriously bothered me throughout the whole series.

I still wish they had not killed Anakin or else he would probably have been the most powerful. But then you'd have people going on about similarities between Anakin Solo and Anakin Skywalker.

It's clear that they set Jacen up to be the most powerful at the end of the series.

Corran Horn rocked in NJO.
He basicly had the wisdom/skill of Luke, weaker force powers, far more experience, more intelligence and WAY more common sense.


Luke was a baby. "Well, these guys are committing genocide, but we're not going to stop them, because if we kill them to stop them from killing others we'll all go to the DARK SIDE!"

I mean, honestly, how could Luke think that between the possibility of going to the dark side, or letting EVER SENTIENT BEING IN THE GALAXY DIE, that letting everyone die is the lesser evil?

Trooper TK12746 wrote:I think the best Jedi of the NJO was Jacen, he kicked ass after he was tutored by Vergere and he had a much better view of the Force in general. Although I hated how they made it seem like he was a wishy-washy pacifist after the battle with Omni.

And Vergere's species could alter stuff naturally on the molecular level. SHe had to have a biological ability in order to do it. It was skillful, but it would be impossible for Luke to do it due to physical limitations.

Aya wrote:

Praxis wrote:

Caius wrote:I always liked Corran Horn through the series. He was interesting and could kick some but when needed. He wasn't the most powerful, but I enjoyed him in the "master jedi" role better than Luke. Luke seriously bothered me throughout the whole series.

I still wish they had not killed Anakin or else he would probably have been the most powerful. But then you'd have people going on about similarities between Anakin Solo and Anakin Skywalker.

It's clear that they set Jacen up to be the most powerful at the end of the series.

Corran Horn rocked in NJO.
He basicly had the wisdom/skill of Luke, weaker force powers, far more experience, more intelligence and WAY more common sense.


Luke was a baby. "Well, these guys are committing genocide, but we're not going to stop them, because if we kill them to stop them from killing others we'll all go to the DARK SIDE!"

I mean, honestly, how could Luke think that between the possibility of going to the dark side, or letting EVER SENTIENT BEING IN THE GALAXY DIE, that letting everyone die is the lesser evil?

Yes and Luke ends up changing his philosophy about the force. He appears to no longer see the force as a rigid lightside/darkside system.

Praxis wrote:

Trooper TK12746 wrote:I think the best Jedi of the NJO was Jacen, he kicked ass after he was tutored by Vergere and he had a much better view of the Force in general. Although I hated how they made it seem like he was a wishy-washy pacifist after the battle with Omni.

And Vergere's species could alter stuff naturally on the molecular level. SHe had to have a biological ability in order to do it. It was skillful, but it would be impossible for Luke to do it due to physical limitations.

Not quite. Like she said, her species can naturally produce a very limited variety of chemicals. Using the force she can rearrange that into anything she wants, FAR beyond what anyone else of her species can.

I have never seen Luke modify a chemical or substance at a molecular level, so I say this is beyond him. The only other Jedi to do this was Jacen, and Jacen had no natural chemical production. Remember what he did to Onimi?

Crazedwraith wrote:

Crown wrote:Droids do not exist in the Force, just ask Joruus C'boath! (DFR reference - also Luke said something similar so no we can't write it off as a batshit insane clone's rantings) And it was also touched upon on Children of the Jedi (IIR the titel correctly), you know the one where that kid has to get cybernetic implants in order to read and influence droid minds.


EDIT :: Besides, in ANH it is spelled out loud and clear; Luke says he could almost see the remote - not read its thoughts!

Everything exists in the force, straight from Yoda in ESB. Certinally droid Consciousness may not exsist per se but the raw materials they are made do just like rocks and air.

The Vong are black holes. And referencing Conquest (the Novel not the fanfic) they sort of dampen the force around them limiting jedi perceptions similarly to the shroud of the dark side.

Ace Pace wrote:Crown, nitpick, Luke force pushed the air around the vong, not the vong themselves,

Ace Pace wrote:however Vong DO exist in the force, Anakin was able to sense them, and later on Jacen also senses them, since I do not have the final book, but from what I gather, in the end the Vong are also part of the force.

Ace Pace wrote:

Praxis wrote:

Trooper TK12746 wrote:I think the best Jedi of the NJO was Jacen, he kicked ass after he was tutored by Vergere and he had a much better view of the Force in general. Although I hated how they made it seem like he was a wishy-washy pacifist after the battle with Omni.

And Vergere's species could alter stuff naturally on the molecular level. SHe had to have a biological ability in order to do it. It was skillful, but it would be impossible for Luke to do it due to physical limitations.

Not quite. Like she said, her species can naturally produce a very limited variety of chemicals. Using the force she can rearrange that into anything she wants, FAR beyond what anyone else of her species can.

I have never seen Luke modify a chemical or substance at a molecular level, so I say this is beyond him. The only other Jedi to do this was Jacen, and Jacen had no natural chemical production. Remember what he did to Onimi?

I don't think thats force power, more like practice, she has FAR more years of being a Jedi then any of the New Jedi, it would be logical she has far more skill and finess then most Jedi.