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Spanky The Dolphin wrote:That's not wanking, Walper, that illustrates the industrial capacity of a galactic organisation.

No, ROTS illustrates nicely. Like that it takes a much more reasonable time frame of close to twenty years to build one.

Crazedwraith wrote:How exactly? The six months thing comes from Shadows of the Empire. IIRC.

Empire Strikes Back is set six months to a year before Return of the Jedi, as I recall.

Robert Walper wrote:No, ROTS illustrates nicely. Like that it takes a much more reasonable time frame of close to twenty years to build one.

You mean the DS that isn't the DS? Walper, look at the comparison images of the ROTS DS with the ANH DS. They're radically different in terms of major structural elements.

McC wrote:

Crazedwraith wrote:How exactly? The six months thing comes from Shadows of the Empire. IIRC.

Empire Strikes Back is set six months to a year before Return of the Jedi, as I recall.

When did the construction of the DS2 begin? And where does your time frame come from?

McC wrote:

Robert Walper wrote:No, ROTS illustrates nicely. Like that it takes a much more reasonable time frame of close to twenty years to build one.

You mean the DS that isn't the DS? Walper, look at the comparison images of the ROTS DS with the ANH DS. They're radically different in terms of major structural elements.

I've seen the film three times and haven't seen anything that suggests that is not the DS. But feel free to point me in the direction of this comparison analysis...

Construction of DS2 began between ESB and RotJ.

The time frame of RotJ coming a year after ESB comes from the official chronology, which has been set down for like at least 15-20 years.

Robert Walper wrote:

Spanky The Dolphin wrote:That's not wanking, Walper, that illustrates the industrial capacity of a galactic organisation.

No, ROTS illustrates nicely. Like that it takes a much more reasonable time frame of close to twenty years to build one.

Yes, to build the first perhaps. If it's indeed the DS at the end of ROTS, it has must have gone through some extensive redesigning and reconstruction (which perhaps would explain some of the time it took before to get finished). We don't see two DS being built, just one.

Of course it's the DS. What else would it be?

The unfinished Great Weapon of the former Confederacy of Independent Systems.

Superman wrote:Of course it's the DS. What else would it be?

a prototype?

McC wrote:

Crazedwraith wrote:How exactly? The six months thing comes from Shadows of the Empire. IIRC.

Empire Strikes Back is set six months to a year before Return of the Jedi, as I recall.

So, where in filmic canon does it state the DSII was built between ESB and ROTJ?

Lord Revan wrote:

Superman wrote:Of course it's the DS. What else would it be?

a prototype?

Did the US build full scale prototypes of the World Trade Centers?

Crazedwraith wrote:

McC wrote:

Crazedwraith wrote:How exactly? The six months thing comes from Shadows of the Empire. IIRC.

Empire Strikes Back is set six months to a year before Return of the Jedi, as I recall.

So, where in filmic canon does it state the DSII was built between ESB and ROTJ?

They could've started construction of the DS2 right after the destruction of the first one.

Robert Walper wrote:

Lord Revan wrote:

Superman wrote:Of course it's the DS. What else would it be?

a prototype?

Did the US build full scale prototypes of the World Trade Centers?

I don't remember China Building them either, dumbfuck. Poor analogy given the CIS built the thing in RoTS.

Crazedwraith wrote:

McC wrote:

Crazedwraith wrote:How exactly? The six months thing comes from Shadows of the Empire. IIRC.

Empire Strikes Back is set six months to a year before Return of the Jedi, as I recall.

So, where in filmic canon does it state the DSII was built between ESB and ROTJ?

The opening scroll. Unless you want to say they forgot to add this pertinent fact in ESB.

After seeing the mockery of what's supposed to be the Tantive IV in ROTS, I fully believe that the "Great Weapon" is also intended to be the Death Star.

Ghost Rider wrote:

Crazedwraith wrote:

McC wrote: Empire Strikes Back is set six months to a year before Return of the Jedi, as I recall.

So, where in filmic canon does it state the DSII was built between ESB and ROTJ?

The opening scroll. Unless you want to say they forgot to add this pertinent fact in ESB.

Lack of evidence is not evidence of lack.

The construction of another DS is of very little relavance to ESB thus it didn't have to be encluded.

Robert Walper wrote:

Crazedwraith wrote:

McC wrote: Empire Strikes Back is set six months to a year before Return of the Jedi, as I recall.

So, where in filmic canon does it state the DSII was built between ESB and ROTJ?

They could've started construction of the DS2 right after the destruction of the first one.

If 20 years ROTS-ANH DS1 doesn't override 3 years for the ROTJ DS2, than it also doesn't override 6 months for the ROTJ DS2, fucknut.

Absolute canon - the ROTS DS is not the ANH DS1, and the DS2 was constructed between TESB and ROTJ.

Crazedwraith wrote:

Ghost Rider wrote:

Crazedwraith wrote: So, where in filmic canon does it state the DSII was built between ESB and ROTJ?

The opening scroll. Unless you want to say they forgot to add this pertinent fact in ESB.

Lack of evidence is not evidence of lack.

The construction of another DS is of very little relavance to ESB thus it didn't have to be encluded.

So are you going to counter or go "Well I have nothing but that doesn't mean I'm wrong!"

Galvatron wrote:After seeing the mockery of what's supposed to be the Tantive IV in ROTS, I fully believe that the "Great Weapon" is also intended to be the Death Star.

SoD stands. Tantive IV - ROTS - is not the same ship as Tantive IV - ANH. Likewise with ROTS Death Star and ANH Death Star.

Illuminatus Primus wrote:

Galvatron wrote:After seeing the mockery of what's supposed to be the Tantive IV in ROTS, I fully believe that the "Great Weapon" is also intended to be the Death Star.

SoD stands. Tantive IV - ROTS - is not the same ship as Tantive IV - ANH. Likewise with ROTS Death Star and ANH Death Star.

Are we suddenly dealing with alternate SW universes now? Why the fuck is the Tantive IV of ROTS not considered the same as the one in ANH?

Illuminatus Primus wrote:

Galvatron wrote:After seeing the mockery of what's supposed to be the Tantive IV in ROTS, I fully believe that the "Great Weapon" is also intended to be the Death Star.

SoD stands. Tantive IV - ROTS - is not the same ship as Tantive IV - ANH.

Um, everything pretty much states that it is.

Ghost Rider wrote:

Crazedwraith wrote: Lack of evidence is not evidence of lack.

The construction of another DS is of very little relavance to ESB thus it didn't have to be encluded.

So are you going to counter or go "Well I have nothing but that doesn't mean I'm wrong!"

The latter, duh.
Your position is that the DSII had to be constructed between ESB and ROTJ because they didn't mention it in the ESB scrawl.

However I remain unconvinced that there would be any need to mention it in the scrawl, because it bears no relavance to the ESB plot at all.

And I'm not going to argue the subject anymore as its rather pointless, take it as a concession if you like.

the Difference between the Tantive IV and the Great Weapon/Death Star is that the CR-90 (IIRC) is highly Modular (length:145 -155 m (this ain't an estimate)) by nature (something that seems to be common in all CEC products), were as the DS is supposed be unchanging design.

Illuminatus Primus wrote:

Galvatron wrote:After seeing the mockery of what's supposed to be the Tantive IV in ROTS, I fully believe that the "Great Weapon" is also intended to be the Death Star.

SoD stands. Tantive IV - ROTS - is not the same ship as Tantive IV - ANH. Likewise with ROTS Death Star and ANH Death Star.

Oh, I realize that it can be reconciled like that. I just find it a pity that it's necessary to do so since it obviously represents a departure from George Lucas' intent.