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Kazuaki Shimazaki wrote:

Darth Wong wrote:Are you deliberately trying to be stupid? "It's subjective, I'm not going to try to defend it in a debate?" Then why is it "insane" then? Because anyone who dares to use screenshots and quotes from the original FX people against your subjective bullshit must be nuts?

It is entirely possible for something to be the observable truth (or as close as we can get) and still feel insane. Example: Quantum Mechanics, or the whole idea that we are more empty space than occupied.

It's a moon, and since our moon is around 1600km wide IIRC, it should hardly be considered "insane" to have one which is a bit more than half that width. Even if you go by gut instinct.

Darth Wong wrote:It's a moon, and since our moon is around 1600km wide IIRC, it should hardly be considered "insane" to have one which is a bit more than half that width. Even if you go by gut instinct.

I think the "insanity" here involves the DSII having to be so much bigger than the DSI - I think we had at least one entire thread to this effect.

What´s so "insane" about a battlestation being 900 km wide as opposed to one being 160 km? Is 160 km suddenly "sane"?

But 120-160km feels about right to me.

And 900 feels "wrong" because....?

VT-16 wrote:And 900 feels "wrong" because....?

He admitted it was a subjective feeling. Junghalli is not trying to argue anything.

I found the thread I referred to in my earlier post:

http://bbs.stardestroyer.net/viewtopic.php?t=70079

It was Dangermouse that calculated that the first DS would've been about 220 km based on Gold Squadron's attack run. That is consistent with what I mentioned both in that and in this thread, that both backstage evidence (the 1:180,000 scale mentioned in the Bantha Tracks and the 120 cm model which was used according to the Databank and the Behind the Magic CD-ROM) and movie canon suggests (based on the calculations that Dangermouse made) that the first Death Star was about 220 km in diameter.

Darth Wong wrote: It's a moon, and since our moon is around 1600km wide IIRC, it should hardly be considered "insane" to have one which is a bit more than half that width. Even if you go by gut instinct.

Actually, according to this +http://hypertextbook.com/facts/2002/Sam ... ard1.shtml+ our moon is over 3400km across about 4 times the diameter of the DSII.

NRS Guardian wrote:

Darth Wong wrote:It's a moon, and since our moon is around 1600km wide IIRC, it should hardly be considered "insane" to have one which is a bit more than half that width. Even if you go by gut instinct.

Actually, according to this +http://hypertextbook.com/facts/2002/Sam ... ard1.shtml+ our moon is over 3400km across about 4 times the diameter of the DSII.

Doesn't matter. Our moon is unusually large IIRC.

I know our moon is unusually large I was just correcting Mr. Wong's statement.

While I remember Dangermouse's trench run calcs put the size estimate much higher than 160km (couldn't remember exactly), the revelation concerning the scale model surprises me. Are there any other sources besides the OS and CD-ROM that corroborate the model's diameter (and for that matter, its scale)?

Firefox wrote:While I remember Dangermouse's trench run calcs put the size estimate much higher than 160km (couldn't remember exactly), the revelation concerning the scale model surprises me. Are there any other sources besides the OS and CD-ROM that corroborate the model's diameter (and for that matter, its scale)?

Not that I know of. However, the Behind the Magic CD-ROM is extensive and I'm fairly positive that the info regarding the various models etc. is correct.

Lord Poe wrote:All you "Saxtonites" have to check this thread out on Theforce.net"

+http://boards.theforce.net/Literature/b ... 0180963/p1

There's a campaign by "Thrawn McEwok (Arkady Hodge)" to complain loud and long about the new measurements of the Executor, Death Stars, etc. found in the new DK books. He's hoping his vocal group will convince the VIPs at Lucasfilm to change the numbers back to their incorrect values.

You thought VS Trekkies were bad? These Star Wars "fans" are much, much worse.

I am sooooo glad I left that hell hole for SD.Net.

Doesn't the 900 km diameter of the 2nd Death Star come from the Rebel briefing hologram? It should be remembered that the first time the Rebels got hold of Death Star plans they were grotesquely wrong, so we can't rule out the display not being accurate or simply not to scale.

I think the diameter is corroberated by the scene when the Rebel fleet just comes out of hyperspace and the DSII is in orbit around Endor, and most of Endor can be seen. Also, the Death Star plans brought by Leia to Yavin weren't that inaccurate, if they were the Empire wouldn't be trying to get them back and they'd be useless in trying to pinpoint a weakness.

NRS Guardian wrote:I think the diameter is corroberated by the scene when the Rebel fleet just comes out of hyperspace and the DSII is in orbit around Endor, and most of Endor can be seen.

It is primarily, and all of Endor can actually be seen.

Indeed.
The shots of the actual DS2 orbiting Endor coincide with the holographic diagram shown in the briefing. There's no reason to doubt the accuracy of the holograph.


On topic, what the hell is wrong with those people?
They might as well argue that Chewie was actually only six feet tall... or was ten feet tall; the observed evidence for the scale of ships and space stations is no less valid than Chewie's height.

Xero Cool Down wrote:I am sooooo glad I left that hell hole for SD.Net.

Don't judge the whole literature board based on a couple of knuckleheads-- on a whole, tf.net lit board is one of the best SW boards out there, and is certainly head and shoulders above the dreck that the other tf.n boards are.

Although I have noticed that in the past couple of months-- owing, most likely, to the release of RotS-- there's been an influx of new posters and a general drop in quality there. I don't visit as much as I used to-- nor, I notice, do very many other older posters. It's a shame.

NRS Guardian wrote:I think the diameter is corroberated by the scene when the Rebel fleet just comes out of hyperspace and the DSII is in orbit around Endor, and most of Endor can be seen. Also, the Death Star plans brought by Leia to Yavin weren't that inaccurate, if they were the Empire wouldn't be trying to get them back and they'd be useless in trying to pinpoint a weakness.

Well, they had the weakness, but they also had the superlaser lens across the equator of the Death Star and put the trench in the wrong position as well. And people complain the Death Star in ROTS doesn't look like the ANH one...

Eframepilot wrote:

NRS Guardian wrote:I think the diameter is corroberated by the scene when the Rebel fleet just comes out of hyperspace and the DSII is in orbit around Endor, and most of Endor can be seen. Also, the Death Star plans brought by Leia to Yavin weren't that inaccurate, if they were the Empire wouldn't be trying to get them back and they'd be useless in trying to pinpoint a weakness.

Well, they had the weakness, but they also had the superlaser lens across the equator of the Death Star and put the trench in the wrong position as well. And people complain the Death Star in ROTS doesn't look like the ANH one...

A pictorial not matching the station onscreen is one thing: the station not matching itself onscreen is quite another. As for the size, it's impossible for DS2 to look that big against the backdrop of Endor unless it really is that big, or its orbit is ridiculously high, and that is impossible given other shots (not to mention its visibility in the Endor sky).

Man, that Thief guy is kicking McEwok's irrational ass all across the debating circle. Wish he hung out here more

Connor MacLeod wrote:Man, that Thief guy is kicking McEwok's irrational ass all across the debating circle. Wish he hung out here more

Quite.

As for the crybabies, let them cry. Their candy has already been stolen and they ain't getting it back.

Eframepilot wrote:Doesn't the 900 km diameter of the 2nd Death Star come from the Rebel briefing hologram? It should be remembered that the first time the Rebels got hold of Death Star plans they were grotesquely wrong, so we can't rule out the display not being accurate or simply not to scale.

There is also the small fact that one of the behind-the-scenes ILM artists corroborates this with the coment that the station was 500 miles in diameter. And even going by the ROTJ novelization it has to be substantially larger than the DS1 (which is canonically 160 km)

The view of Endor from the Rebel fleet (both from the MF and the Home One) after it exists hyperspace established a ~900km diameter better, IMO.

I know this is off topic but what is a GAM they keep talking about?

Defiant - Notable performance, only a Captain, post-Bastion confusion? GAM installed. Dont stick those sorta things in a run of the mill Star Destroyer.

Darth Phoenix wrote:I know this is off topic but what is a GAM they keep talking about?

1) Can we have a bit more context?
2) IIRC, GAM in the NJO means a gravitic jammer that would disrupt the communications and thus C3I between yammosks, which use supposedly gravity based communications.