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Rye · Post by **Rye** » 2005-07-21 07:36pm

Those are so good, I hate it when someone's better at something art related than me.

Do you think you could draw a cutesy cat-girlie-boy version of me? (nothing huge or anything, just a small picture would be great!) I'll even draw and colour something in my style for you as a trade if you want.

Pick · Post by **Pick** » 2005-07-21 08:03pm

Rye wrote:Those are so good, I hate it when someone's better at something art related than me.

Do you think you could draw a cutesy cat-girlie-boy version of me? (nothing huge or anything, just a small picture would be great!) I'll even draw and colour something in my style for you as a trade if you want.

Sure, an art trade sounds like fun! PM me with the reference images you'd like me to use, please. I'll think about something small maybe you could do in return, if you'd like.

Noble Ire · Post by **Noble Ire** » 2005-07-21 08:21pm

Zaia wrote:
Noble Ire wrote:Those make my own artisitics abilities seem even more abyssmal.
*frowns* That's a rather self-serving way to compliment someone, don't you think?

Was it?
Sorry if I worded it badly.

Again, very, very nice Pick, especially the Dragon woman.

Darth Raptor · Post by **Darth Raptor** » 2005-07-22 02:08am

Agit, gigit, gigrk! Dragon-girl! Giggity!

*regains composure*

Very nice, Pick. I'm often disappointed by attempts to blend human and saurian anatomy, but not this time. Mad props on the arms and legs... *drool*

That cloaca is totally tapable!

Pick · Post by **Pick** » 2005-07-22 03:20pm

And now the picture of Rye!

It was done last night actually, but I wanted to make sure it was okay for me to post. Part of an art trade, same markers/white ink/multiliners as usual (I'm enjoying using my new colors at the moment

) Besides, as a generally anime-and-stuff artist, I guess I should get used to doing things I don't normally. Like shiney blck surfaces! I haven't done that in a while. Takes fucking forever :p I tried to do a spunky pose, but it kind of sucks.

I'll be updated once I fix/add something small, but for the time being:

Inlined for the silly.

I'm on my way out the door, but the main reason I'm posting this (and part of why I did it and so quickly) is showing an example of how something in real life that you already are familiar with translates to my art, such as in a commission. Though Rye wasn't charged (it was a trade) bear in mind for a reasonable fee you could have something comparable! I hate to even give price guidelines, as it's never that easy (my prices depend on difficulty, wear on materials used [my makers are hideously expensive], how much I want to do it, time frame, etc...) but I'll try to get some information up once I get back.

Pu-239 · Post by **Pu-239** » 2005-07-22 03:44pm

Wow...

Tiger Ace · Post by **Tiger Ace** » 2005-07-22 06:26pm

Thats sweet. Seriously sweet.

Pick · Post by **Pick** » 2005-07-22 09:34pm

Don't let the length scare you!

Okay, I'm about ready to put up some commission information. This is always subject to change and all prices are open for negotiation. Sorry if this seems somewhat patronizing, but sometimes artists can be hard to understand.

1. A sketch. Sketches can come in many degrees of quality.
This is a fairly rough and basic sketch. I drew her again; you guys seem to like her

. As it says, that'd probably run you about $10-12. Why? Let's break it down.
a. I'm drawing what you want, not what I necessarily want. AKA, it's a commission. There is a base price involved to just plain getting me to do something for you.
b. It's realmedia so there are materials costs (negligible in this case)
c. It took me a bit of time.
d. It's somewhat detailed.
e. You're paying for my demonstrated ability.
f. It's fairly large (that's 50% original size)

I can do sketches much more detailed than that, and much better shaded. I don't generally do those as they don't look as 'finished' as something colored, but I can do a very good job of it. That would cost you a bit more. If anyone wants an example of this, I could probably dig one up (it's just I'm on my new computer at the moment and I don't have all my older stuff on here!)

2. An inked picture.
An inking example.
Er... y-yeah. What? You people do fanfiction.

Anyway, this is an example of my inking. This is 'normal' inking, and is done over a sketch. Very simple inking. Therefore, it's an additional cost on top of a sketch price. Normally it won't cost you significantly more... unless...
You want something like this.
By the way, that's all black-ink-on-white-paper. I've shown this before. My point is, the inking's an additional fee, usually not much. It can be significant depending on picture difficulty though, such as the latter.

Please bear in mind that my inking:
a. Can require significant additional time.
b. Can involve me making errors, which at times are highly difficult to correct and take time.
c. Require me to use very expensive pens. Some of the cost involved in inking goes toward the knowledge that I am putting wear and tear on exceedingly expensive materials.

3. Coloring:

I can use several different media to color. Clearly, my favorite is markers. You can find some very good examples of my marker work already in this thread. Coloring will cost you significant extra, since it always entails much more involvement than a mere sketch, even with inking. Also, again, wear and tear here. My markers cost me 5 USD apiece. If I need to go get a new color for a picture you need me to do (unlikely), expect to pitch in an extra buck or two (plus I have to drive three hours round trip to GET it.) Perhaps most importantly, if I make a mistake in marker, it can be almost IMPOSSIBLE to correct. An accidental drop of a pen in the wrong place can ruin a picture without digital assistance (which I can do, but dislike needing to.)

The price of coloring depends largely on difficulty and the range of colors that I would need to use. That is why a piece such as the one of the mostly earth-tone dragon-elf-lady would cost less than a coloring job as was done on the Loch Ness monsters. I can't put a good estimate here because this is one of the most variable areas.

Despite white ink being a painting-like procedure, it's included in a 'marker coloring.'

SOMETIMES someone wants a picture like the rain lady where there is NO inking and negligible sketch underneath. Or simply one where there's no outline. Sometimes that's harder than if there is outlining, and sometimes it's easier... this one's also very variable. Talk to me if you want something similar!

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As for paints, I refuse to use oil pants. I hate them. I'm not a fan of acrylic, so unless very sorely tempted, I will not use them either. I like watercolor paints. Depending on how much detail you need, there is a good chance I will use markers and watercolor in conjunction, since the markers are better for detail work where paints are excellent for washes. In fact, watercolor and marker together are one of my favorite ways to work, especially when backgrounds are involved.
People have seen this too, but it's a good example of a fairly basic paint-over of an inked picture. Pardon the atrocious picture quality (and lame-o gothiness.) Bearing in mind that picture is about 18" by 24" it'd have cost you about $15 for that coloring job. Variables included here are that it's limited spectrum of color and I'm fond of dragons

And it's freakin' big.

Watercolor paint's cheaper than my markers, so if you want it painted, it'll be cheaper than markered, but probably not as good. If you want something done precisely, however, you're better off asking for marker. If a picture is less than 7" by 5" I will not paint it, since it won't come out as well.

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Digital: I can color digitally well, but prefer not to right now since I'm trying to improve my readmedia skills. If you desparately want something colored digitally, we can work something out. A rough, monochrome digital shading over a sketch would probably run you only like 5 dollars extra, though.

4. Completely Digital
As I just said, I'm not really in the mood for much digital work at the moment. Really simply pictures though, I'm up for, and will cost you less because, well, they're digital and there's no media cost for me.
This is just a fast fanart piece I did, hence the really really anime style.
If you want something really nice and detailed though, I'd prefer not to do digital work in that regard. I may decline to do something digitally but agree to do it traditionally at my discretion. I will only do monochromes or pseudomonochromes digitally at this time, because I'm lazy as hell.

5. Sculpture
You'll find more artists you can commission in two dimensional art than three dimensional. I practically guarantee it.
A sculpture like this one will cost you about $30. A more difficult sculpture requires the use of Super Sculpey, which is more expensive. I can also do more basic things, like hands, such as these (the one on the right was meant for flat surfaces btw.) Sculpture's fun, but I pretty much don't compromise here. When come September, I'll probably take commissions for clay sculpture that can be of a larger scale, such as full-sized busts. I'll paint sculptures for extra. Bla bla bla.

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BASIC GUIDELINES:

Price increases when:
1. The subject is more difficult.
2. A background is desired.
3. There is more time involved.
4. I don't like the subject material you want me to do.
5. There is more material cost involved.
6. How soon it's desired.
7. Size.
8. You act like a dick to me

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Things to know-

I take commissions at my own discretion. Prices are subject to discussion, but I am under no obligation to agree to do any picture if I really don't want to.

I work in many sizes. Generally from 5" by 4" to 18" by 24" or so. Mostly I work 8.5" by 11". Don't be fooled, I don't use computer paper. I use high-quality marker paper, except when it's so big I need to use ragboard or watercolor paper. I CAN work up to about 26" by 30". But that will cost you sooooo much that I don't think anyone wants that right now (mostly because of the extreme hassle of coloring on anything bigger than my desk.) Oh yes. But girls and Spanky have both seen what I can do with a big sheet of paper (though I still need to fix that picture up...)

I will send you your originals. This is taken for granted in sculpture (AKA I'll include it in my tally automatically) but for two dimensional art, it's the additional at-cost sum for how much it costs me to ship it to you. I will also frame pictures at-cost plus a small fee for my time. Watch out, framing can be spendy depending on what you want.

I will do artistic nudity, but not pornography. The nature of the distinction is mine. I will not do male frontal nudity since, er...

I don't think I really could, and I'm not interested in looking up reference for that. Not that I anticipate any requests like that from here.

I can alter my style sometimes to fit a different subject, such as mimicing Marvel artists, bla bla bla. I prefer not to, however.

Things I like to draw (hence will cost you less most likely)
1. Figures, especially females and skinny guys.
2. Dragons
3. Pointy ears!
4. Macabre stuff.
5. Zombies!
6. Long hair
7. Blue things.
8. Fanart.

Things I don't like to draw (hence will cost you more most likely)
1. Yellow things.
2. Really obscenely muscle-insane guys.
3. Realistic guns.
4. MECHAS.
5. Objectification of women.
6. Monkeys.

As someone with a lot of... experience with, for instance, the anime fandom I do understand at times that people have 'unusual' requests. I can't guarantee I'll agree to take it, but you can always ask. But as I said, no porn, so I won't draw Jesus doing Anne Coulter up the ass.

Commissions are taken on a first-come-first-served basis. This does not necessarily mean that they will be done in the order they're taken, however. Artistic inspiration and set deadlines can affect this, though I will atrive to be as professional as possible in filling commissions.

If I have recieved any payment but need to cancel a commission, you will recieve a full refund.

If I get an obscene amount of commissions (unlikely) my prices will increase. Logically.

PAYMENT:

USA citizens: I accept Paypal, personal cheque, money orders.
NON-USA citizens: I accept Paypal and International Postal Money Orders, assuming the latter can be done by your country to mine. In Australia and England, I can usually accept payment anyway through friends but I hate doing this to England.

Payment can also be issued in several ways.
1. I complete the picture but don't show it to you in full until I recieve payment.
2. I complete the picture to some degree and you pay me in part or in full before it's entirely complete and then I finish it (and if you paid me in part, you pay the rest at this point.) Recommended for Paypal users mostly due to time issues. Probably the most realiable means for mutual insurance of not risking getting ripped off.
3. You pay me upfront.

LASTLY, please PM me if you have a commission request. Don't post it on this thread, please.

MOST IMPORTANTLY: ALL prices depend more on the particulars of what you want than general sums of similar works! There's a LOT of variables.

*wheeze!* Okay, any questions?

Tiger Ace · Post by **Tiger Ace** » 2005-07-23 04:16am

*starts checking his USD reserves*

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2005-07-23 04:49am

I'm already starting to think up a few fanart works for the near future when I get a more regular instream of cash. Don't worry, they're nothing messed up.

Ford Prefect · Post by **Ford Prefect** » 2005-07-23 04:59am

Never before have I ever wanted to give away money.

Tiger Ace · Post by **Tiger Ace** » 2005-07-23 05:16am

This isn't giving away, this is the best use of my USD I can think of.

Pick · Post by **Pick** » 2005-07-24 03:56am

Work in progress and example of "bitchinking." That's my term for rounding out all the edges in a piece to make it all seem smooth. Done with a .03 Copic multiliner. He's 32cm tall when not resized for the computer.

There's HORRIBLE scanlines and stuff because it's just a work-in-progress example. Also I didn't erase everything. Blah humbug!

(see below for cleaner version so I don't gum up the page with image after image)

This is Edge. I owed a picture of him to a friend.

Even though he's my design.

Rye · Post by **Rye** » 2005-07-24 10:47am

How do you get rid of the scanlines on your finished pieces? Is there some way other than going round and rubbing it all out with photoshop?

Tinkerbell · Post by **Tinkerbell** » 2005-07-24 11:38am

Rye wrote:How do you get rid of the scanlines on your finished pieces? Is there some way other than going round and rubbing it all out with photoshop?

By asking the Tinkish one

Mrs Kendall · Post by **Mrs Kendall** » 2005-07-24 11:47am

XBF! You're so awesome!!

and of course Pick knows I love her work

Pick · Post by **Pick** » 2005-07-24 03:29pm

Rye wrote:How do you get rid of the scanlines on your finished pieces? Is there some way other than going round and rubbing it all out with photoshop?

There's some Photoshop filters that I use sometimes, but the main problem with that is that Photoshop's (for obvious reasons) not on my laptop and I didn't want to bother with fixing it up on the other computer.

So thanks, Blackflashx

!

Tinkerbell · Post by **Tinkerbell** » 2005-07-24 04:07pm

Pick wrote:
Rye wrote:How do you get rid of the scanlines on your finished pieces? Is there some way other than going round and rubbing it all out with photoshop?
There's some Photoshop filters that I use sometimes, but the main problem with that is that Photoshop's (for obvious reasons) not on my laptop and I didn't want to bother with fixing it up on the other computer.

So thanks, Blackflashx !

No problem hun... if you need anything else cleaned up let me know.

Pick · Post by **Pick** » 2005-07-25 07:14pm

Edge is colored! He needs a background, but I'm still thining about that.

(SEE BELOW FOR FINSHED VERSION)

And a quick webcam shot of the piece Mrs Kendall wanted, a remake of the Rain Lady picture, but now 16" by 24" on canvas in watercolor,a bit of marker and white ink:

I'm really very sorry I didn't do yours first, Duchess

I wanted to get this worked on to see where my painting skills stood at the moment (which I might end up using to help the backgrounds on your piece(s).)

And while the painting dried at various stages, I drew this:

And this (which I might give a quick fix-up even if it's only on sketchbook paper):

Cute, I think though.

... because I still like my anime and my wacky hair goodness.

And to show you anime fans that I can do a purer sort than what I normally do.

Ford Prefect · Post by **Ford Prefect** » 2005-07-25 07:27pm

Very good Pick. Colouring is excellent.

Shroom Man 777 · Post by **Shroom Man 777** » 2005-07-27 10:36am

...holy Jesus gawd!

Pick · Post by **Pick** » 2005-07-28 06:58am

Finished Edge.

I hate backgrounds like this. I'm normally so lazy about not doing them, or making them minimal, that when I do one semi-seriously (this one was kind of a hack background since it wasn't planned before he was drawn and fits awkwardly for him) it's just tedium!

But you guys deserved to see a pic of mine with a background.

Plus my friend requested one.

Rar!

Now to get onto other commissions...

Oh, and as not to keep JUST uploading the same damn thing, here's some more random character sketches.

I spoil the fanboys... (slight nondetailed nudity)

Two character faces, one perhaps slightly familiar.

Umber, the practically-skeletal Historian jackass.

NOT SAFE FOR WORK [probably?] (undetailed but still nuuuudity)

Ford Prefect · Post by **Ford Prefect** » 2005-07-28 07:01am

Pick. You rock.

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2005-07-28 07:50am

Heh, and here I was wondering what your ability to do backgrounds was.

Very nice, Pick.

Mrs Kendall · Post by **Mrs Kendall** » 2005-07-28 11:28am

What are you talking about Pick! That background looks fine to me

You are excellent...

Now check your pm's please