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Posted: 2005-07-25 05:13pm
by SPOOFE
Usually that obstacle also stops your bullets getting from your gun to its body.
I found that doorways were perfect... the trigens would usually hit their shoulder or something when they first leap (as long as you stand off to one side), leaving them about six feet away from the barrel of your shotgun, ready to be eliminated. Simple simple simple.
Did anyone ever complete that game? I couldn't get past the last level with the masses of rocket launcher equiped trigens stopping you from getting to the lift.
Yeah, the ending was retardedly lame.

Posted: 2005-07-25 06:27pm
by weemadando
I was so happy with Far Cry until it went all "crappy sci-fi shooter".

I loved stalking patrols in long grass with an MP5-SD6.

Posted: 2005-07-25 08:35pm
by DPDarkPrimus
Honestly, I just turned on invincibility whenever those monkey bastards showed up, and turned it right back off when I saw mercs again.

Posted: 2005-07-25 08:36pm
by Drooling Iguana
YT300000 wrote:Just like the chaingun cliche started with Predator. Hell, even the first FPSs ever made had that brainbug
Battlezone had a chaingun?

Would those slime things from Duke Nukem 3D count? I'm pretty sure they pre-dated Quake by a few months.

Posted: 2005-07-25 08:44pm
by Nephtys
Well, Wolfenstein wasn't the FIRST FPS. A few predate it, but it was the first actually successful one, that people actually played. And yeah, it had that silly minigun. NAZI minigun.

Posted: 2005-07-25 08:49pm
by Ford Prefect
Miniguns. Why?

Posted: 2005-07-26 12:00am
by Arthur_Tuxedo
Nephtys wrote:Well, Wolfenstein wasn't the FIRST FPS. A few predate it, but it was the first actually successful one, that people actually played. And yeah, it had that silly minigun. NAZI minigun.
The first FPS was "Rescue the Embasy Mission" for NES, no?

Posted: 2005-07-26 03:11am
by wautd
ALI_G wrote:Did anyone ever complete that game?
Damn straight. On "hard" even (died many, many times offcourse)

And I liked the trigens :P

Screw everyone. Far Cry rocked. Had a lot more fun with it than HL2

Posted: 2005-07-26 03:21am
by Vicious Enigma
I thought I was the only one that noticed games seem to differ from movies when it comes to Zombies!

Actually there is one movie I noticed where they are different and that is Dawn of the Dead. They are able to run....and run forever since they don't have any feeling in their muscles. Forgot how they explained it.

Anyways yeah it's really annoying having stupid jumping zombies!

As for Farcry I love it! Its more fun then HL2 is, matter of fact I think I've played Farcry more then I have most of my games!

Posted: 2005-07-26 04:37am
by wautd
Another cliché is that enemies go from alive to dead without showing signs of damage/wounds in between. (granted, I remember some soldiers in Mohaa having a limb but still, I think there arent many examples. Isnt there also a game where you could shoot the limbs of zombies off?)

How cool would it be to fight against massive robots you can shoot seperate parts off which all will affect its combat ability

Posted: 2005-07-26 04:43am
by Pcm979
Ever gone up against SBDs in Republic Commando? :P

Posted: 2005-07-26 04:50am
by wautd
Pcm979 wrote:Ever gone up against SBDs in Republic Commando? :P
Nope, havent played that game.

They are droids right? Well in that case: sweet

Posted: 2005-07-26 05:01am
by Pcm979
Super Battle Droids. They're very, very hard to kill.

Posted: 2005-07-26 05:41am
by Ford Prefect
Don't get within arms reach of them. Just don't.

Posted: 2005-07-26 06:06am
by Mr Bean
Ford Prefect wrote:Don't get within arms reach of them. Just don't.
Piff just like dealing with zombies in Half-Life, duck in and out of their reach doing the stabbity with the vibroblade.

Posted: 2005-07-26 06:18am
by Ford Prefect
And don't get hit. If you get hit, you'll die (after a couple of whacks). Those droids are brutal.

Posted: 2005-07-26 07:40am
by Cykeisme
I still remember the very first time I played Quake, oohing and aahing at the 3D environments.. and coming up to the door in Quake's e1m2 level ("The Grisly Grotto", I do believe :D) that cranks open with the cubes floating into the wall. While you're going "whoa" at the whole floaty cube setup, the door suddenly slides open and a Fiend impales you :o

Posted: 2005-07-26 08:21am
by Raxmei
wautd wrote:Another cliché is that enemies go from alive to dead without showing signs of damage/wounds in between. (granted, I remember some soldiers in Mohaa having a limb but still, I think there arent many examples. Isnt there also a game where you could shoot the limbs of zombies off?)

How cool would it be to fight against massive robots you can shoot seperate parts off which all will affect its combat ability
I don't know about zombies, but the game Vivisector lets you do that to gene modded animals. Some preview pics I've seen show an anthro sheep with most of its limbs blasted off.

Posted: 2005-07-26 10:26am
by neoolong
wautd wrote:Another cliché is that enemies go from alive to dead without showing signs of damage/wounds in between. (granted, I remember some soldiers in Mohaa having a limb but still, I think there arent many examples. Isnt there also a game where you could shoot the limbs of zombies off?)

How cool would it be to fight against massive robots you can shoot seperate parts off which all will affect its combat ability
Couldn't you take out separate body parts in Soldier of Fortune?

Posted: 2005-07-26 12:28pm
by wautd
neoolong wrote:
wautd wrote:Another cliché is that enemies go from alive to dead without showing signs of damage/wounds in between. (granted, I remember some soldiers in Mohaa having a limb but still, I think there arent many examples. Isnt there also a game where you could shoot the limbs of zombies off?)

How cool would it be to fight against massive robots you can shoot seperate parts off which all will affect its combat ability
Couldn't you take out separate body parts in Soldier of Fortune?
yeah but they were dead when you did iirc

I believe the game I'm thinking about was Chasm: the rift

Posted: 2005-07-26 01:12pm
by YT300000
Drooling Iguana wrote:
YT300000 wrote:Just like the chaingun cliche started with Predator. Hell, even the first FPSs ever made had that brainbug
Battlezone had a chaingun?

Would those slime things from Duke Nukem 3D count? I'm pretty sure they pre-dated Quake by a few months.
Alright, the first GOOD FPSs... :P

Didn't Nukem come out at the very end of '96? I thought Quake was before it... either way, the blobs didn't really jump at you, they jumped up and down from the ceiling and slowly moved towards you. The Fiend jumped directly at you.

Still a lot less impressive than the Shambler, especially since the first time you encounter a Fiend you just got the Quad Damage. Of course, this has no bearing on the discussion, but I just had to mention it.

Posted: 2005-07-26 01:53pm
by Karza
wautd wrote:yeah but they were dead when you did iirc
Yep. Although the enemies did react to non-dismembering wounds. A single hit to an unarmored location caused them to stop fighting and scream like hell for a while. However, if you left them alone after that, in a while they forgot they had been wounded and continued fighting :P . Not such a big problem though, since at least I always finished the job :D . However, all dismembering wounds caused an instant kill.
wautd wrote:I believe the game I'm thinking about was Chasm: the rift
IIRC the only weapon in that game that actually did that was the bladegun, but that's beside the main point: That game sucked some major donkey balls. Probably the worst FPS I ever tried...

Posted: 2005-07-26 02:05pm
by wautd
Karza wrote:
wautd wrote:

wautd wrote:I believe the game I'm thinking about was Chasm: the rift
IIRC the only weapon in that game that actually did that was the bladegun, but that's beside the main point: That game sucked some major donkey balls. Probably the worst FPS I ever tried...
Well I never said it was a good game :)

Posted: 2005-07-26 02:13pm
by Civil War Man
Pcm979 wrote:Super Battle Droids. They're very, very hard to kill.
Unless you have anti-armor rounds. One direct hit from the anti-armor rifle makes a SBD go splat.

Posted: 2005-07-26 07:02pm
by Drooling Iguana
wautd wrote:Another cliché is that enemies go from alive to dead without showing signs of damage/wounds in between. (granted, I remember some soldiers in Mohaa having a limb but still, I think there arent many examples. Isnt there also a game where you could shoot the limbs of zombies off?)

How cool would it be to fight against massive robots you can shoot seperate parts off which all will affect its combat ability
Mechwarrior 2 (and, presumably, the other games in the series, although the second was the only one I played extensively) let you do that. Not sure if you'd count it as an FPS, though.