Wicked Pilot wrote:Interrogations involving the use of torture can work, but not always. It depends on the techniques, and the subject. Not that this is that relavent, seeing how both torture, and 'intense interrogation' are both inhumane and outlawed by the Geneva Conventions.
You haven't heard O'Reilly's comment about that? Judges and the ACLU who want us to follow the Geneva Conventions and give lawyers to terror suspects are "terror allies", according to O'Reilly. That is a no-shit in context accurate paraphrase.
Because the lawyers will be able to use their liberal conspiracy connections to free all the terrorists, see?
Nevermind that they'd probably gladly confess to what they were planning...
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Durandal wrote:If anyone would know, it's O'Reilly! After all, he's been in combat situations, remember?
He claimed that?
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Durandal wrote:If anyone would know, it's O'Reilly! After all, he's been in combat situations, remember?
He claimed that?
"I'll tell you what. I've been in combat. I've seen it, I've been close to it... and if my unit is danger, and I've got a captured guy, and the guy knows where the enemy is, and I'm looking him in the eye, the guy better tell me. That's all I'm gonna tell you. The guy better tell me. If it's life or death, he's going first." -O'Relly
I don't have a source on when he said it though.
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"I'll tell you what. I've been in combat. I've seen it, I've been close to it... and if my unit is danger, and I've got a captured guy, and the guy knows where the enemy is, and I'm looking him in the eye, the guy better tell me. That's all I'm gonna tell you. The guy better tell me. If it's life or death, he's going first." -O'Relly
I don't have a source on when he said it though.
On his radio show, last year. A guy immediately rang up and inquired when he had ever been in the military, because of course, he's implying that he has been in that comment- and he didn't qualify his statement whatsoever after he said that steaming pile of BS. He of course told him to shut up.
Vympel wrote:You haven't heard O'Reilly's comment about that? Judges and the ACLU who want us to follow the Geneva Conventions and give lawyers to terror suspects are "terror allies", according to O'Reilly. That is a no-shit in context accurate paraphrase.
Yes I saw the clip.
The most basic assumption about the world is that it does not contradict itself.
I think he was a correspondent in the Gulf War. I vaguely recall him saying that he "saw the highway of death" at one point when I used to watch his show.
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If he had said, "I've witnessed ombat" than that is one thing. Many war correspondents witness combat. But when he starts off with "I've been combat," the implication is that he is some kind of veteran.
Here's part of the exchange:
O'Reilly: We've got a caller. Roger. Roger from Portland, Oregon. What say you Roger?
Roger: Yeah, hey, Bill. First things first. You just said you've been in combat, but you've never been in the military, have you?
O'Reilly: No I have not.
Roger: Then why do you say you've been in combat?
O'Reilly: Why do I say that, Roger? Because I was in the middle of a couple of firefights in South and Central America.
Roger: But you were a media guy.
O'Reilly: Yeah. A media guy with a pen, not a gun. And people were shooting at me, Roger.
Roger: People might think that you actually were in the military.
O'Reilly: Oh... We don't want to mislead anybody. But I made it quite clear... quite clear in many, many circumstances --
Roger: [mumbles something about being, or not being, "fair and balanced"]
O'Reilly: [quietly disconnects Roger] Yeah. Hey listen, Roger. You can take your little "fair and balanced" uh... snip remark and shove it, okay? You're not getting on this air. Um... You, mister macho man, have never come close to anything I've done, down where I've been. So take a walk and... uh... 'nuff said.
Look here for more about the incident in question.
Sorry for the mispellings...it's what I get trying to type on a small laptop keyboard while eating a sandwich.
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If he had said, "I've witnessed combat," then that is one thing. Many war correspondents witness combat. But when he starts off with "I've been in combat," the implication is that he is some kind of veteran.
FSTargetDrone wrote:If he had said, "I've witnessed combat," then that is one thing. Many war correspondents witness combat. But when he starts off with "I've been in combat," the implication is that he is some kind of veteran.
War veterans —actual war veterans— should be jumping on O'Reilly's ass for claiming or implying his supposed "combat experience" where the closest he ever got to a battlefield was the hotel lounge in the capitol of whatever shithole country the network sent him to. This man has already been exposed as a liar for claiming non-existent broadcast awards to his credit. It is hardly necessary to say that his credibility is dubious at best.
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FSTargetDrone wrote:If he had said, "I've witnessed combat," then that is one thing. Many war correspondents witness combat. But when he starts off with "I've been in combat," the implication is that he is some kind of veteran.
War veterans —actual war veterans— should be jumping on O'Reilly's ass for claiming or implying his supposed "combat experience" where the closest he ever got to a battlefield was the hotel lounge in the capitol of whatever shithole country the network sent him to. This man has already been exposed as a liar for claiming non-existent broadcast awards to his credit. It is hardly necessary to say that his credibility is dubious at best.
No argument there. To clarify, if O'Reilly had simply said, "I have witnessed some combat so I have some small idea how horrible it can be" (or whatever) and left it there, it's one thing. But there is strong implication in the original wording of what he said to suggest that he was some sort of active participant. I'm not defending O'Reilly in the least...I think he was a coward just for walking out on a radio interview because he didn't like the questioning or thought it biased. What's even worse is that he somehow sees fit to lecture to someone who sat in a rat cage for 5 years how torture should be used.
And you are right to point out that actual combat vets should be all over this clown. It's odd that there didn't seem to be more of an outcry of this at the time.
Had he actually ever been shot at in South and Central America?
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Illuminatus Primus wrote:Had he actually ever been shot at in South and Central America?
According to the Newsmax article, he reported on the conflicts in the Falkands and El Salvador from a base in Buenos Aires. So I guess the answer is no.
The segment he did with Barbara Walters turned my fucking stomache on Peter Jennings. That had to be the most self-serving piece of shit I've ever seen! O'Reilly would not stop interrupting Walters and comparing himself to Peter Jennings like they were in the same league. He reduced a rememberance segment to name dropping about his connections to Jennings and pimping himself. It was gross.
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The segment he did with Barbara Walters turned my fucking stomache on Peter Jennings. That had to be the most self-serving piece of shit I've ever seen! O'Reilly would not stop interrupting Walters and comparing himself to Peter Jennings like they were in the same league. He reduced a rememberance segment to name dropping about his connections to Jennings and pimping himself. It was gross.
That's nothing compared to when he said that the US didn't lose the Vietnam War-
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Hearing Bill O’Reilly and Ann Coulter debate over Iraq is like listening to two medieval doctors
argue about which is better, leeching patients or boring holes in their skulls to let the demons
out.
Bill had Coulter on to debate with him about how the U.S. is faring in Iraq. Ann thinks the war is
going swimmingly. Bill, citing two FOX News military analysts he’d had on his show the night
before, wasn’t so sure.
COULTER: If things have been going worse why isn’t the elite Republican Guard massing
outside Manhattan right now?
O’REILLY: Well, because we’re not in any danger of losing the war there, that’s not the
danger. We’re not going to lose as long as we’re there and as long as we’re in South
Vietnam we weren’t going to lose. That’s the biggest myth in the world that the USA …
COULTER: We did lose.
O’REILLY: … lost the war. We didn’t lose the war.
COULTER: Yeah, we kind of did. I think we did lose that one.
O’REILLY: I don’t. I disagree with you. But that’s a debate for another day.
COULTER: They’re living under communism, Bill.
Leave it to Bill to make Ann Coulter look sane.
Of course, while they disagreed on whether we actually lost in Vietnam, Ann and Bill both
seemed to agree the blame for our failure to fully win goes to a lack of political will. To hear
Coulter tell it, this came in the form of constant carping from the likes of Walter Cronkite.
Both should look up The Pentagon Papers or rent Errol Morris’ The Fog of War if they really
think all we needed to do to win in Vietnam is stay longer. Whether any of that applies to the
war in Iraq is another question entirely, but we’re unlikely to resolve it with these two loons
cluttering our cable channels.
Wicked Pilot wrote:I know I'm dragging this further off topic, but I'd still do her.
Aren't you afraid its contageous? Whatever makes her that way has to be. Its probably some comunicatible brain disease or something.
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COULTER: If things have been going worse why isn’t the elite Republican Guard massing outside Manhattan right now?
O’REILLY: Well, because we’re not in any danger of losing the war there, that’s not the danger. We’re not going to lose as long as we’re there and as long as we’re in South Vietnam we weren’t going to lose. That’s the biggest myth in the world that the USA …
COULTER: We did lose.
O’REILLY: … lost the war. We didn’t lose the war.
COULTER: Yeah, we kind of did. I think we did lose that one.
O’REILLY: I don’t. I disagree with you. But that’s a debate for another day.
COULTER: They’re living under communism, Bill.
Y'know I hate to say it, but if you compare the killcounts and consider America to have lost, I don't think Vietnam really 'won'.
But that's off-topic. And Bill O'Reilly is insane.
He claimed that?
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