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StarshipTitanic · Post by **StarshipTitanic** » 2005-08-20 12:36am

Yay, some ships are actually armed! I wonder if we'll ever see them in action against Cylons.

Thag · Post by **Thag** » 2005-08-20 12:41am

Funny thing is, I was watching the show with my brother, and we started discussing who was going to get whacked on Kobol. He can't stand Roslin, and expressed his desire to see her go down. I replied with the fact that Roslin's got too many loose storyline parts to tie up before she goes down, but the priestess is a ripe target (minor recurring character who won't really be missed but whose loss can still generate some kind of feeling). Not two minutes later, "BOING" followed by "BOOM".

Alyeska · Post by **Alyeska** » 2005-08-20 01:34am

InnocentBystander wrote:Oh man, the Geminon Rep just got owned by the cylons.

Not the same woman. This is the preistess who Rosilyn consulted with in the previous season and whom already knew Rosilyn was terminaly ill.

Alyeska · Post by **Alyeska** » 2005-08-20 01:54am

*Possible spoiler discussion for next weeks Ep bassed on the previews*

I've been trying to think through the situation from what we see in the trailers. For Boomer to be a main character and to want to help and stay with the fleet, she can't betray Adama and Apollo like it seems. I think that Zarrek and his ally are the ones talking to Boomer and she is setting them up. Zarrek is the one who has the most to gain with seeing Adama and Apollo dead, and I am certain Boomer must have been talking to either Zarrek or his ally.

Trytostaydead · Post by **Trytostaydead** » 2005-08-20 01:59am

For a mine exploding right in front of her, I'd expected no more than a smear left of her. Man, I wish this show was on like HBO or something.

Alex Moon · Post by **Alex Moon** » 2005-08-20 01:59am

Alyeska wrote:*Possible spoiler discussion for next weeks Ep bassed on the previews*

I've been trying to think through the situation from what we see in the trailers. For Boomer to be a main character and to want to help and stay with the fleet, she can't betray Adama and Apollo like it seems. I think that Zarrek and his ally are the ones talking to Boomer and she is setting them up. Zarrek is the one who has the most to gain with seeing Adama and Apollo dead, and I am certain Boomer must have been talking to either Zarrek or his ally.

That would be my guess as well. Boomer may be temporarily convinced of the need to kill Adama, but she can't be stupid. Killing him means her death as well, and likely Helos.

Alyeska · Post by **Alyeska** » 2005-08-20 02:02am

Alex Moon wrote:
Alyeska wrote:*Possible spoiler discussion for next weeks Ep bassed on the previews*

I've been trying to think through the situation from what we see in the trailers. For Boomer to be a main character and to want to help and stay with the fleet, she can't betray Adama and Apollo like it seems. I think that Zarrek and his ally are the ones talking to Boomer and she is setting them up. Zarrek is the one who has the most to gain with seeing Adama and Apollo dead, and I am certain Boomer must have been talking to either Zarrek or his ally.
That would be my guess as well. Boomer may be temporarily convinced of the need to kill Adama, but she can't be stupid. Killing him means her death as well, and likely Helos.

*more spoiler discussion*

I can't even see her being temporarily convinced. She loves Helo and wants to help him out and do whats best for her baby. She also cares for those whom she remembers from the past, the memories implanted in her. Unlike the BSG Boomer, the Caprica Boomer knows what she is and has made her decision and as such isn't under Cylon influence. She shouldn't want or see a need to kill either of the Adama's.

KhyronTheBackstabber · Post by **KhyronTheBackstabber** » 2005-08-20 02:11am

Alex Moon wrote:
Grand Moff Yenchin wrote:How consistent is Centurion armor? They're using pistols again.
The centurions that boarded Galactica appear to have been upgraded.

It seemed to me that because they were shooting up at the Centurions, Lee's shot, got up under the armor between two plates, instead of through.

Quadlok · Post by **Quadlok** » 2005-08-20 02:16am

Alex Moon wrote:
Grand Moff Yenchin wrote:How consistent is Centurion armor? They're using pistols again.
The centurions that boarded Galactica appear to have been upgraded.

It looked to me like the shots that took the Centurions down hit their 'eye,' which would logically be a weak point. Although Centurion strength seems to go up and down enough episode to episode to make me think they are preprogrammed to just give up and die in certain situations where their performing well would fuck up the Plan.

And is anyone sad the priestess died? I actually sort of liked her back in the miniseries, but a few episodes into season one it became apparent that she was doing more harm than good, and was damned annoying to boot.

Uraniun235 · Post by **Uraniun235** » 2005-08-20 02:17am

Oh god, that scene towards the end with the humming was beautiful.

The Cylon transport docking sequence was also beautiful.

Absolutely love that we're making definite progress in the plot here. Can't wait for next week's episode.

DPDarkPrimus · Post by **DPDarkPrimus** » 2005-08-20 02:21am

el blanco wrote:Minstrel Boy works so well in military drama. Its the song from Black Hawk Down.

I think its Minstril Boy they played, anyway. Its also the song from the episode Hand of God.

Incorrect. The song is called "Wander My Friends", and was written by Bear McCeary specifically for the show.

The only piece of music they have used so far that hasn't been originally composed for the series was the piano piece at the end of "Valley of Darkness", which was a piece composed by Phillip Glass.

KhyronTheBackstabber · Post by **KhyronTheBackstabber** » 2005-08-20 02:29am

Alyeska wrote:
Alex Moon wrote:
Alyeska wrote:*Possible spoiler discussion for next weeks Ep bassed on the previews*

I've been trying to think through the situation from what we see in the trailers. For Boomer to be a main character and to want to help and stay with the fleet, she can't betray Adama and Apollo like it seems. I think that Zarrek and his ally are the ones talking to Boomer and she is setting them up. Zarrek is the one who has the most to gain with seeing Adama and Apollo dead, and I am certain Boomer must have been talking to either Zarrek or his ally.
That would be my guess as well. Boomer may be temporarily convinced of the need to kill Adama, but she can't be stupid. Killing him means her death as well, and likely Helos.
*more spoiler discussion*

I can't even see her being temporarily convinced. She loves Helo and wants to help him out and do whats best for her baby. She also cares for those whom she remembers from the past, the memories implanted in her. Unlike the BSG Boomer, the Caprica Boomer knows what she is and has made her decision and as such isn't under Cylon influence. She shouldn't want or see a need to kill either of the Adama's.

*Even more spoiler discussion*
I agree with you guys. I think she'll say she's going along with it. Pull out the gun on Adama, and fire...cut to commercial for dramatic effect...she shoots past Adama killing Zarrek's boy instead, saving Lee, and proving her loyalty.

UCBooties · Post by **UCBooties** » 2005-08-20 03:02am

And the Spoiler train rolls on...
Zerick made his intentions clear in his little aside. He'll let Rosilyn lead the sheep, but he wants the fleet. If Boomers talking about both Adama's rather than only senior she's probably talking to Zerick because he's the one who sees Lee as next in line to lead the fleet. Also, I doubt very much we'll be seeing Adama shot again in the same way, since it will lack the brutal dramatic impact of the end of the first season and just seem rehashed. However, it's too bad, since if this is true then we probably won't be seeing anymore of Zerick (unless, delicious thought, he is a Cylon). I've realy liked him and hoped he'd be around for the run of the show, or at least a bit longer than this.

Noble Ire · Post by **Noble Ire** » 2005-08-20 03:12am

A good episode, the battle scene and ending especialy.

That being said, why doesn't anyone in the fleet find it odd that the Cylons havent sent a squadron of Base Stars to investigate the destruction of the one orbiting Kobol? I realize that it might interfere with their alleged "Great Plan", but the Colonials don't know anything about that. Did I miss something?

Perinquus · Post by **Perinquus** » 2005-08-20 04:10am

Knife wrote:And bouncing Betty will BLOW your balls off.

Cookie for the reference.

Uncommon Valor.

InnocentBystander · Post by **InnocentBystander** » 2005-08-20 04:17am

Noble Ire wrote:A good episode, the battle scene and ending especialy.

That being said, why doesn't anyone in the fleet find it odd that the Cylons havent sent a squadron of Base Stars to investigate the destruction of the one orbiting Kobol? I realize that it might interfere with their alleged "Great Plan", but the Colonials don't know anything about that. Did I miss something?

They know it's dangerous I'm sure, and I don't doubt that they've got their fingers on the "jump back to Galactica" button. There's also the idea that maybe the Cylons are out looking for Galactica, rather than camping Kobol. I don't know how many Base Stars they have, but I'm sure they have more to do than just destroy galactica and her fleet.

Also, was anyone else surprised that they had some sort of grenade launcher with them? Is Zarek making weapons on his own time or something? That might explain the ship-to-ship missiles they've got.

Arrow · Post by **Arrow** » 2005-08-20 08:36am

UCBooties wrote:And the Spoiler train rolls on...
Zerick made his intentions clear in his little aside. He'll let Rosilyn lead the sheep, but he wants the fleet. If Boomers talking about both Adama's rather than only senior she's probably talking to Zerick because he's the one who sees Lee as next in line to lead the fleet. Also, I doubt very much we'll be seeing Adama shot again in the same way, since it will lack the brutal dramatic impact of the end of the first season and just seem rehashed. However, it's too bad, since if this is true then we probably won't be seeing anymore of Zerick (unless, delicious thought, he is a Cylon). I've realy liked him and hoped he'd be around for the run of the show, or at least a bit longer than this.

I doubt it was Zerick she was talking too. He's not that stupid. My money is on his right-hand man, giving Zerick deniability.

Knife · Post by **Knife** » 2005-08-20 11:23am

Alyeska wrote:*Possible spoiler discussion for next weeks Ep bassed on the previews*

I've been trying to think through the situation from what we see in the trailers. For Boomer to be a main character and to want to help and stay with the fleet, she can't betray Adama and Apollo like it seems. I think that Zarrek and his ally are the ones talking to Boomer and she is setting them up. Zarrek is the one who has the most to gain with seeing Adama and Apollo dead, and I am certain Boomer must have been talking to either Zarrek or his ally.

That's how I took it. Or possible talking to Helo and Starbuck to break up a fight looming.

Knife · Post by **Knife** » 2005-08-20 11:26am

Perinquus wrote:
Knife wrote:And bouncing Betty will BLOW your balls off.

Cookie for the reference.
Uncommon Valor.

And the cookie goes to the infantry Sgt. No surprises there.

Knife · Post by **Knife** » 2005-08-20 11:31am

InnocentBystander wrote:
They know it's dangerous I'm sure, and I don't doubt that they've got their fingers on the "jump back to Galactica" button. There's also the idea that maybe the Cylons are out looking for Galactica, rather than camping Kobol. I don't know how many Base Stars they have, but I'm sure they have more to do than just destroy galactica and her fleet.

It makes sense to take out the big boy first *Galactica* then worry about the tiny ones. Also, the Cylons just might be unaware that a part of the fleet went back to Kobol until the ground units saw them.

Also, was anyone else surprised that they had some sort of grenade launcher with them? Is Zarek making weapons on his own time or something? That might explain the ship-to-ship missiles they've got.

It would make sense that the Astial Queen has weapons lockers, she was a prison ship after all. Guards and crew would want weapons in case of a prison break or attempted boarding to rescue a prisoner. As for the 'armed' ships, well I don't know.

We know the 'factory' or 'foundry' ships can and might be producing military parts and equipment for the Galactica. They may have made the decision to 'arm' the ships themselves with that equipment. Or, maybe some were armed to begin with. Protection from pirates or some such from bach when they were in the colonies.

Elheru Aran · Post by **Elheru Aran** » 2005-08-20 11:32am

InnocentBystander wrote: Also, was anyone else surprised that they had some sort of grenade launcher with them? Is Zarek making weapons on his own time or something? That might explain the ship-to-ship missiles they've got.

IRL that grenade launcher is actually a StreetSweeper shotgun. However, if they can get a nice bang like that out of that (relatively) small bore, they've got some pretty damn good miniaturized explosives there.

Also, I imagine that each ship beyond a certain size would carry at least *some* munitions-- at the very least, some kind of flare launcher. In fact, I thought the Street Sweeper was a flare launcher when I saw it in the previews, and that Boomer was shooting one up to attract the Cylons to their location. Not necessarily shipboard weapons like cannons and the like, but definitely some small arms for the crew in case of emergency (boardings, crash-landings, and so forth).

Thirdfain · Post by **Thirdfain** » 2005-08-20 11:50am

Nope, that's definitely a grenade launcher. There are no shotgun designes which look like that, the Streetsweeper was a bullpup design for one, and never mass produced, for another.

The weapon they were using looked like this South African 40mm grenade launcher, minus some of the accessories.

Elheru Aran · Post by **Elheru Aran** » 2005-08-20 11:57am

Ah, hello?

Slightly different magazine, but that's an easy cosmetic addition likely.

Also--

These are the original South African versions. While they'd be illegal as weapons due to their short length, they could easily be fixed to just fire blanks or whatever, and these sure look goddamn like the gun that Boomer used...

Thirdfain · Post by **Thirdfain** » 2005-08-20 12:02pm

*smack* Crap, you are right, I was thinking of the Jackhammer.

Still, I'd like to watch the episode again. I remember the weapon we see having a magazine like that of the Milkor grenade launcher, and the two weapons look enough alike that you could just as well be mistaken as I could. *wanders off to check his Tivo*

Elheru Aran · Post by **Elheru Aran** » 2005-08-20 12:02pm

Ghetto Edit: While there are grenade launchers with cylindrical magazines, they are definitely different from what Boomer used, notably in the massive size of the magazines and the large bores, as 40mm is rather common. She sure didn't look like she was hefting a small drain pipe...

See what I mean?