TPM Swordsmanship versus AoTC and RoTS

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Digital or real?

Digital crap is awesome!
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25%
I prefer real swordsmanship.
29
66%
What you talkin bout fool? (other)
4
9%
 
Total votes: 44

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He was talking to Mace Windu at the time... shortly after his "rescue" from the Invisible Hand. At the time, he was coverig for Anakin's murder of Dooku, and using it as an excuse to avoid giving specifics about what happened.
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GeneralTacticus wrote:He was talking to Mace Windu at the time... shortly after his "rescue" from the Invisible Hand. At the time, he was coverig for Anakin's murder of Dooku, and using it as an excuse to avoid giving specifics about what happened.
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For me, I feel that if you can pull it off, real swordsmanship is the way to go, and I felt that on average that was pulled off in TPM. For me, Ray Park was the best thing to come of that movie, and helped to save the majority of it. The impressiveness of seeing a real individaul with a real ability to handle a weapon like Ray Park did was impressive, and I have been wishing to get that feeling back ever since then. TPM was the first time that Jedi really did seem to me to be a force far beyond normal human abilities. (We had examples of these in the OT, but they were few and far between, and rarely came into a sword fight.)

Having said that, I did enjoy the Senate fight between Palps and Yoda, pretty much from their constant attack of each other all the way till they start just seeing who's is bigger in the Force department. We'd never really seen an all out Force Fight before (AOTC was pitifully short, and invovled a lot of dialogue). In that regard, the CGI was not only necessary, but helped to really sell the fact that the Force is not something to mess around with, especially with two titans.

I guess those two fights represent the best of both worlds for me. There's the third world, though, and that being of the emotional component of a fight. While nowhere near as impressive in skill, the ROTJ fight had the most emotional impact. Everything from Luke swearing he wouldn't fight his father to his sudden intense anger and hatred bursting out when Vader threatens his sister can't be matched even with ROTS.
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I'm in favor of real swordsmanship. From a practicalist's point of view, doing backflips into a swordfight is the best way imaginable to get stabbed in the back. Most swordsmen go in, face to face, feet on the ground, sword in hand, and spare the fancy shit until after the battle is over. Since fighting is largely instinctive, simple is good. The fewer the things you have to remember in a high stress environment, the better you'll do.
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That's true, Wil.
In "reality", Force-enhanced abilities would probaby manifest themselves in a lightsaber duel simply as inhuman speed, rather than fancy acrobatics.
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Cykeisme wrote:That's true, Wil.
In "reality", Force-enhanced abilities would probaby manifest themselves in a lightsaber duel simply as inhuman speed, rather than fancy acrobatics.
Of course, the Force does have other offensive uses. Some acrobatic moves might be employed to counteract pushes, pulls, choke, etc.
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Or simply to screw around with the opponent's precog.
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