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I'm afraid someday the New Republic will be as laughable as the United Federation of Planets...

The force shall prevent that! A whole galaxy ruled by a bunch of pussies! But then again, maybe it's not so bad after all, because the resurgent Empire will then have an easy time conquering the NR.

Kreshna Aryaguna Nurzaman wrote:Preventing dictator by limiting the military to *small force*? I think it relfects NR incompetence. How would they protect their citizen appropriately, then? The US have large and powerful military force, yet it hasn't been ruled by a dictator.

- Or maybe it's just NR stupidity. Why they abandon the easier-to-operate ISD and instead use a cruiser that *requires* Calamari on the bridge? (due to the color spectrum in bridge consoles that can be seen only by Calamari's eyes. A stupid engineering concept.)

Well, I don't know about the last one, Nurzamann. The original design was designed for Mon Calamari, so it makes sense that they'll optimize for them greatly. It could potentially be a HUGE advantage. Human pilots may never have been in the original books.

Besides, when humans started to really use the MCs, at the earliest convenient opportunity (the MC-90 or even earlier IIRC) they made the conversion to multi-special accessible systems. Maybe they retrofitted the older ships.

AL wrote:Here's a question, why would the New Republic want to use Republic Class Star Destroyers?

I mean they have Mon Cal ships and they seem to be fine war ships. Wouldn't the use of anythhing like a SD make some of the members of the NR nervous.

To prevent another dictator like Palpatine, I wonder if the Republic would have a very small force, say 10 sector fleets, at its control. If they were to need anything bigger, they would have to get senate approval and then form some sort of coalition force made up of member worlds.

Maybe its just me, but building a large military force would surely make some if not all in the NR nervous.

Though the Republic class is smaller than a ISD, it has the firepower of the ISD Mark 2 and better shields. It is also faster and requires a smaller crew.

David wrote:
Though the Republic class is smaller than a ISD, it has the firepower of the ISD Mark 2 and better shields. It is also faster and requires a smaller crew.

That is New Republican propaganda and while it may be true it needs less crew and has faster drive systems I seriously doubt it can equal an ISD II in firepower.

When this thread is about Star Destroyers, I would like to further notify you of my request for a picture from the quasi-official literature that apparently represents a Republic-class. (the picture of a Republic-class Stardestroyer which looks NOTHING like any previous stardestroyer)

i believe it is as powerful as an ISD2. IT sacrifices something to get tht tho. ISD2 can go 6 years unsupplied. RSD can go six months.

The Republic- class was first introduced in Cracken's Threat Dossier and has also recently been included in the Starships of the Galaxy roleplaying manual. Here are it's stats.

Craft: Rendili StarDrive Republic-class Star Destroyer
Type: Star Destroyer
Scale: Capital
Length: 1250 meters
Skill: Capital ship piloting: Star Destroyer
Crew: 8,168, gunners: 260, skeleton: 2,917/+10
Crew Skill: Astrogation 4D, Capital ship gunnery 4D+1, Capital ship piloting 4D, capital ship shields 3D
Passengers: 3,200 (troops)
Cargo Capacity: 11,000 metric tons
Consumables: 2 years
Cost: Not available for sale
Hyperdrive Multiplier: x2
Hyperdrive Backup: x10
Nav Computer: Yes
Maneuverability: 1D
Space: 6
Atmosphere: 330; 950 kmh
Hull: 6D
Shields: 3D
Sensors:
Passive: 50/1D
Scan: 100/3D
Search: 200/4D
Focus: 6/4D+2
Weapons: 40 Heavy Turbolaser Batteries
Fire Arc: 20 front, 10 left, 10 right
Crew: 2
Skill: Capital ship gunnery
Fire Control: 0D
Space Range: 3-15/35/75
Atmosphere Range: 6-30/70/150 km
Damage: 8D
Weapons: 40 Heavy Turbolaser Cannons
Fire Arc: 10 front, 10 left, 10 right, 10 back
Crew: 2
Skill: Capital ship gunnery
Fire Control: 1D
Space Range: 3-15/35/75
Atmosphere Range: 6-30/70/150 km
Damage: 6D
Weapons: 20 ION Cannons
Fire Arc: 5 front, 5 left, 5 right, 5 back
Crew: 3
Skill: Capital ship gunnery
Fire Control: 3D
Space Range: 1-10/25/50
Atmosphere Range: 2-20/50/100 km
Damage: 5D
Weapons: 10 Tractor Beam Projectors
Fire Arc: 4 front, 2 left, 2 right, 2 back
Crew: 4
Skill: Capital ship gunnery
Fire Control: 4D
Space Range: 1-5/15/30
Atmosphere Range: 2-10/30/60 km
Damage: 6D

Capsule: Walex Blissex's follow-up design to his classic Victory-class Star Destroyer. It is smaller than his daughter's Imperial-class design, but retain's Blissex's trademark efficiency.

stronger shields, but weaker hull, and they can't match the heaviest guns of an imperator

or the total number of guns, sorry just realised that

True, but it does come close, and when you consider that the ship is smaller, faster, and cheaper to build, it makes a good front line ship.

The RSD seems to be a decent space combat ship, but it lacks the versatility and independance of an ISD.
And weaker hull = faster dead if shields fail

Probably the RSD is more a dedicated fleet destroyer rather a self-supporting, multipurpose patrol/destroyer.

Yep, the concept of the RSD was suerly something 'build a vessels that is as cheap as possible and needs as few crew as possible yet equals an ISD II in firepower and shielding'.
But if you look at the fact that the ISD is significantly larger than the RSD, I wonder what a dedicated space-combat variant of the ISD would be like. Probably that'd be a vessels which would dominate the battlefields.
Therefore my proposal: build an ISD IV subclass dedicated to space combat!

I've wondered if some of the small Imperial ships in Dark Empire might be just that, ISD firepower and shielding, but not the stores, fighters or troops packed into the smallest possible hull.

Those 1200-meter ships alongside the Allegiance come to mind..

I was thinking that there would be Imperial ships that put as many troops into a small ship, without the firepower. Sort of like an Acclamator, but with a smaller power core and smaller weapons for more space. And about the ISD deckplans, assuming 1cm is equal to 2m on the map, the largest decks would take up a piece of paper 8m by 4m.

Indeed, complete ISD deckplans will be a costly thing. Nonetheless I want them!

Those 1200-meter ships alongside the Allegiance come to mind.

Perhaps those are Defender class.

Asst. Asst. Lt. Cmdr. Smi wrote:I was thinking that there would be Imperial ships that put as many troops into a small ship, without the firepower. Sort of like an Acclamator, but with a smaller power core and smaller weapons for more space. And about the ISD deckplans, assuming 1cm is equal to 2m on the map, the largest decks would take up a piece of paper 8m by 4m.

Sounds like the kind of thing that would have to come on its own CD

I believe that the Republic-class actually sacrifices some of its life support systems for smaller size, and that it therefore has a smaller operational range than a Imperator.

Anyway, if it has more firepower than the larger Imperator-class, its average guns are probably of another design than an Imperator's.

What novel or novels was the Chimaera damaged and abandoned in, and then recaptured by Pellaeon?

Jadeite wrote:What novel or novels was the Chimaera damaged and abandoned in, and then recaptured by Pellaeon?

I think it was only mentioned in the EC.

[quote]I think it was only mentioned in the EC.




Darn, that woulda been neat to read in a novel, Pellaeon seems pretty attached to that ship.

Cpt_Frank wrote:Yep, the concept of the RSD was suerly something 'build a vessels that is as cheap as possible and needs as few crew as possible yet equals an ISD II in firepower and shielding'.
But if you look at the fact that the ISD is significantly larger than the RSD, I wonder what a dedicated space-combat variant of the ISD would be like. Probably that'd be a vessels which would dominate the battlefields.
Therefore my proposal: build an ISD IV subclass dedicated to space combat!

How about Allegiance? If you take a look on Saxton's page, the Allegiance-Class (2000 meters long) is larger than Imperator-Class, but with smaller hangar bay. It is highly possible that Allegiance is a dedicated fleet destroyer (which function as screen & support for Star Cruisers and Star Battleships), while the Imperator is a multirole destroyer/patrol that can sufficiently support itself (Swiss-Army knife approach).

The Allegiance is significantly larger than the Imperator, it's a heavy destroyer or a command ship for small fleets. Possibly it packs much more firepower than an ImpStar or even my proposed ISD IV subclass, and probably it's much more expensive.

ISD IV? So that means there are ISD IIIs? What are those like?