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Bleh, Wong has something to say about rating movies based on personal preference.

Recycled TWOK plot eh? TWOK had an evil clone, the main enemy taking over an enemy government, an evil android, an enemy ship that vastly outgunned the heroes ship, a battle in a nebula, the son of the captain, the lover of the captain...

For gods sake have you even seen wrath of Khan?

*bahg, sorry for two subsequent posts*

Anyone who has seen both movies can see the obvious similarities.

The moment TWOK was mentioned the similarities hit me like a brick lol

I mean it was all there, the basics at least.

Yeah Shimizu/Shinto/Shazzbot was a clone of Picard but both in the movie and in teh show Khan was shown to be the nemesis/mirror image of Kirk so it's the same damn thing.

There was a massive super weapon that was being aimed/directed/flown at the enterprise even though it was not its original intended target that was going to kill everyone on it. Khan had the genesis torp that he was going to use to establish a colony for his people but bedcause he was about to die he uses it on Kirk. Shazzbot is going to use it on Earth for some unknown reason and instead tries to use it on Picard.

There are extreme similarities between the two movies that point to lazy writers and a recycled base plot. If you choose not to recognize these then why the hell are you debating here. The similarities between the two movies are unlike the similarities between Nemisis and any of the other ST movies.

They got lazy, they recycled the plot with some additions of innane treknobabble, and it shows throughout the movie. Just because they didn't call it Star Trek:Nemesis (A clone of TWOK) doesn't mean that it wasn't that.

Because, after all, a movie must be masterpiece quality before it can be enjoyed.

Alyeska wrote:He does have a point in that people are over analyzing the movie WAY to much. Sure, I bitch about contradictions in Trek movies, but that didn't make TWOK a bad movie.

Oh, really. We're not allowed to think about movies. Is that what you think of everyone else's personal opinion, Alyeska? What makes your opinion that people are thinking too much about it more correct than everyone else's? You're telling everyone that they're over-analyzing the movie. Maybe if I go back and watch Enterprise, and don't think about it very hard, it won't suck. Guess the personal opinions of the intellectual part of the population don't matter when there are legions of morons who are ready to tell us that we're wrong for no reason, whatsoever.

Alyeska wrote:YOU see more plot holes in Nemesis. YOU think AOTC has better SFX and VFX. THEY have a DIFFERENT opinion then YOU. Yours is no more correct then theirs. It is personal OPINION, not FACT.

I defy you to point out ONE plot-hole in AotC that's as noticeable in that film as, say, Skippy's decloaking of part of the Scimitar for no reason, whatsoever. They haven't pointed out anything, either, so don't bother looking at their site for help.

Moreover, there is no way that the SFX in Nemesis are half as good as those in AotC. There's simply no way. This can come down to a matter of opinion, but that is warping reality. Sorry.

Master of Ossus wrote:

Alyeska wrote:YOU see more plot holes in Nemesis. YOU think AOTC has better SFX and VFX. THEY have a DIFFERENT opinion then YOU. Yours is no more correct then theirs. It is personal OPINION, not FACT.

I defy you to point out ONE plot-hole in AotC that's as noticeable in that film as, say, Skippy's decloaking of part of the Scimitar for no reason, whatsoever. They haven't pointed out anything, either, so don't bother looking at their site for help.

Moreover, there is no way that the SFX in Nemesis are half as good as those in AotC. There's simply no way. This can come down to a matter of opinion, but that is warping reality. Sorry.

I can't point out plot holes for a movie I haven't seen.

Alyeska wrote:I can't point out plot holes for a movie I haven't seen.

LMAO! You mean that all this time you've been defending a movie against another one that you haven't even seen? How the hell do you even know which movie had better SFX, then? You are SURE that it's subjective, and not objective? Are you SURE that the plot things are subjective, rather than objective?

Master of Ossus wrote:

Alyeska wrote:I can't point out plot holes for a movie I haven't seen.

LMAO! You mean that all this time you've been defending a movie against another one that you haven't even seen? How the hell do you even know which movie had better SFX, then? You are SURE that it's subjective, and not objective? Are you SURE that the plot things are subjective, rather than objective?

I have not once defended the movie. I have questioned your attitude in insulting other people on their OPINION of a movie.

Alyeska wrote:I have not once defended the movie. I have questioned your attitude in insulting other people on their OPINION of a movie.

You ought to be over on Trekbbs ravaging their boards then. Do you know they've held a campaign to throw out everyone who they call "Trek bashers?" By that, they mean anyone who doesn't like ENT.

You've gotta be fucking kidding...

Master of Ossus wrote:

Alyeska wrote:I have not once defended the movie. I have questioned your attitude in insulting other people on their OPINION of a movie.

You ought to be over on Trekbbs ravaging their boards then. Do you know they've held a campaign to throw out everyone who they call "Trek bashers?" By that, they mean anyone who doesn't like ENT.

I take it they aren't very big fans of Ex Astris since he dislikes most aspects of Enterprise.

Alyeska wrote: I take it they aren't very big fans of Ex Astris since he dislikes most aspects of Enterprise.

I don't know. I haven't been monitoring their board for very long, but when one person told them he did not like "Nemesis," they got really upset with him and flamed him, calling him a "Trek-basher" and similar things. Since then, a couple of people I've seen have come forward and said they didn't like the movie, but all of them have justified it with something like "I'm no Trek-basher, I like Enterprise," or something similar. To be honest, they kind of intimidated me. I was going to stand up for the one guy who got attacked first, but then I realized it was kind of a lost cause and decided not to register to say something, after all. He was long-gone, by the time I got my password confirmed, anyway.

Master of Ossus wrote:

Alyeska wrote: I take it they aren't very big fans of Ex Astris since he dislikes most aspects of Enterprise.

I don't know. I haven't been monitoring their board for very long, but when one person told them he did not like "Nemesis," they got really upset with him and flamed him, calling him a "Trek-basher" and similar things. Since then, a couple of people I've seen have come forward and said they didn't like the movie, but all of them have justified it with something like "I'm no Trek-basher, I like Enterprise," or something similar. To be honest, they kind of intimidated me. I was going to stand up for the one guy who got attacked first, but then I realized it was kind of a lost cause and decided not to register to say something, after all. He was long-gone, by the time I got my password confirmed, anyway.

Hmm, I might have to take a look in there more often. I have a long lost account there for way back when.

Actually, reading some of their threads, now, I think that they've improved a great deal. I think that their shock has worn off, though some of them cling to their old beliefs. Note what this poster says, defending the movie from someone who said that it was terrible.

That statement [that Nemesis was terrible] is illogical because those who have seen the movie can not judge whether it is good or not.

Apparently, this gentlemen practices the T'Pol form of logic, which makes no sense. Fortunately, the vast majority of the people over there now seem to understand the truth of the matter.

The more I look at this site, the more I realize that many of its members are just quietly furious about how Trek is going, and the rest are BLINDLY loyal to Star Trek. Check out this dumb-ass.

Well I saw TTT yesterday and the good news for Star trek fans is that TTT is some kind of goddamn boring movie way more BORING than Nemesis. Nemesis stank but at least it wasn't like taking a valium overdose, so all those people in TTT might fall into a coma and then sleepwalk into the Nemesis section.

http://www.trekbbs.com/ubb/Forum31/HTML/002064.html

Master of Ossus wrote:The more I look at this site, the more I realize that many of its members are just quietly furious about how Trek is going, and the rest are BLINDLY loyal to Star Trek. Check out this dumb-ass.

Well I saw TTT yesterday and the good news for Star trek fans is that TTT is some kind of goddamn boring movie way more BORING than Nemesis. Nemesis stank but at least it wasn't like taking a valium overdose, so all those people in TTT might fall into a coma and then sleepwalk into the Nemesis section.

http://www.trekbbs.com/ubb/Forum31/HTML/002064.html

(lame defense on) Well it IS a mater of opinion (lame defense off)

Ok, there are just some movies that deserve some respect, and the LOTR series certainly fits the bill.

BTW, here's another great one-liner from that moron. This is his entire post, so no one get the idea that I'm just posting the parts that are embarrassing for him. His sentence starts with "and," but it IS one post.

and another thing Gollum is a disturbed schizophrenic. Watching that thing is freaking creepy.

Here's an even more frightening thread.

http://www.trekbbs.com/ubb/Forum31/HTML/002145.html

I don't think this BBS is a good example of what people think about Nemisis. People like me who love Nemisis might avoid this board for fear of the all-too-common irrational bashers of the film.
It's a lot of fun to go to a BBS and complain about a film, but it sucks to go to a BBS to defend it.
Maybe there should be two differant forums: Those who liked it and those who didn't. Maybe the non-bashing-forum would turn out far more popular, and far less competitive.
Then again, what fun is that, for the bashers? It can be dull to go to a BBS and have everyone agree with you.
But at least then they'd start to shut up.
Just wishful thinking.

-Sarah of Borg

Followed by:

If you want a more positive forem, go here:
http://www.startreknow.com

I am quickly finding this a much better board than the Trek BBS.

This board has always seemed 50/50 to me. Neutral ground. The opinions of others shouldn't bother you if you don't let them. Honest!

Uh....50/50? Have you seen the above replies? They bashed Sara of Borg for wishing they were civil!

As for the movie, everyone I have talked to loved it. This board just happens to be the biggest and the loudest.

[MoO note: All of the "bashing" consisted of polite disagreement, stating that they did not like the movie, or this: "Considering people are staying away from the movie in droves...I think the so called "bashers" are in the majority off-line too."]