Who would you want running YOUR campaign??

lPeregrine · Post by **lPeregrine** » 2006-03-08 02:16am

Why even bother with a character? Just to make things interesting, I'll upload a child's RTS video game into a droid body and let the AI run the campaign. Give it one star destroyer and some factory droids, drop them on a random border world, and let the fun begin. Or maybe C-3PO in the command chair would make better entertainment?

Patrick Degan · Post by **Patrick Degan** » 2006-03-08 04:03am

Jalinth wrote:I'd avoid Tarkin since his plan didn't work. Planets weren't terrorized into submission and his arrogance is a bit much.

Well... I don't know if I'd condemn the whole programme because of a single slip-up.

LeftWingExtremist · Post by **LeftWingExtremist** » 2006-03-08 07:22am

Just tell a hutt that there is good money being made attacking the Feddies, in return ask for a finders fee like 60% of the profit.

Elfdart · Post by **Elfdart** » 2006-03-08 11:27am

RThurmont wrote:I think Admiral Ozzel would be ideal. He would inevitably commit some incredibly massive fuckup, and this would have the effect of making the siege more interesting. When you're talking about an opponent that could be defeated by a single flight of Tie/INs, you really have to consider ways of making it at least marginally exciting.

I guess it depends on how sporting you want to be. I'd pick Jan Dodonna: he's a winner, doesn't fuck up, and he hadn't joined the Rebellion yet.

Post by **NecronLord** » 2006-03-08 11:31am

Well, it's a bit harder than you guys think, if you don't want transwarp equipped warbirds blowing up random bits of Imperial planets. Even megaton torpedos can still fuck civillians over quite nicely.

nightmare · Post by **nightmare** » 2006-03-08 01:37pm

NecronLord wrote:Well, it's a bit harder than you guys think, if you don't want transwarp equipped warbirds blowing up random bits of Imperial planets. Even megaton torpedos can still fuck civillians over quite nicely.

In the Empire, anyone with a halfway decent income can get better stuff off the black market. Bunty hunters, mercenaries, local police forces, well-off smugglers... even the Lars's on Tatooine could afford a skyhopper. Sell the old landspeeders, head down to Jabba's and pick up a concussion missile launcher, go to Watto's and have his new slaves plug in the launcher and an old hyperdrive and you're good to go. And here we're talking people who make a living by selling water.

Sure, a warbird is better, being a warship and all. But the point is, there's really no competition at all.

Bounty · Post by **Bounty** » 2006-03-08 01:46pm

Sure, a warbird is better, being a warship and all. But the point is, there's really no competition at all.

I think the point is not that this überwank alliance would win, but that it can still do some damage before going down, making the campaign more challenging then someone like C3PO can handle.

brianeyci · Post by **brianeyci** » 2006-03-08 01:46pm

I think people are forgetting this,

OP wrote:you still have the rebellion and order to maintain

This is a dangerous situation for the Emperor. And it looks like there's more than one wormhole from the OP. If the Rebellion can contact and negotiate with the Borg/Romulan/Federation alliance, disaster (the only way I could see a Borg/Romulan/Federation alliance is if the Borg Queen were killed and let's say Hugh took over or the renegade from Omnimatrix One so likely the alliance would be altruistic and just want to hold off the Empire rather than gunning for "extermination", out of character for the Federation at least).

Billions of potential force adepts.

So the Emperor should send someone highly competent or just blockade the wormholes until the rebellion's crushed.

Brian

nightmare · Post by **nightmare** » 2006-03-08 02:03pm

Bounty wrote:
Sure, a warbird is better, being a warship and all. But the point is, there's really no competition at all.
I think the point is not that this überwank alliance would win, but that it can still do some damage before going down, making the campaign more challenging then someone like C3PO can handle.

Absolutely, but only because Palpatine would want them to make some damage. Just think of the propaganda. The rebels can kiss their sorry behinds goodbye when there's hostile aliens invading the galaxy, and the COMPNOR stands by blow it up beyond all proportions.

Post by **NecronLord** » 2006-03-08 02:15pm

Bounty wrote:I think the point is not that this überwank alliance would win, but that it can still do some damage before going down, making the campaign more challenging then someone like C3PO can handle.

Quite. They've got the speed and stealth to at least annoy the empire. If they teleport a megaton photon torp into the regional ISB headquarters, you're going to be annoyed. Hence, send someone competant to blockade the wormholes instead.

Lukedanieljames · Post by **Lukedanieljames** » 2006-03-08 02:57pm

Correct me if i'm wrong as its been years since I've seen ANH, but tarkin wasn't that cocky.

He said the deathstar was the ultimate power in the universe, and he was right, nothing was more powerful

and when the xwings were attacking, he didn't LET them attack, he had turbo lasers and tie fighters scrambled, when his subordinate said "we've analyzed their attack zone, there is a danger, should I have your ship standing by?"

"Evacuate in our moment of triumph? I think you over-estimate their chances"

and he was right, even the rebels knew it was a million to one shot to hit the exhaust port with turbo lasers and tie fighters out there. Would you have done any different? your in a 120km battle station that can blowup planets, you've been hunting the rebellion for YEARS and your about to blow them away, you wouldn't backdown from 20 xwings.

Civil War Man · Post by **Civil War Man** » 2006-03-08 04:07pm

Lukedanieljames wrote:He said the deathstar was the ultimate power in the universe, and he was right, nothing was more powerful

Mostly a nitpick, but that was Motti.

and when the xwings were attacking, he didn't LET them attack, he had turbo lasers and tie fighters scrambled

IIRC, the scrambling of fighters was mostly Vader's doing.

even the rebels knew it was a million to one shot to hit the exhaust port with turbo lasers and tie fighters out there. Would you have done any different? your in a 120km battle station that can blowup planets, you've been hunting the rebellion for YEARS and your about to blow them away, you wouldn't backdown from 20 xwings.

It's true that it would have been foolish to back down, but it is equally foolish to assume there was no real danger. Tarkin could not have foreseen the sudden timely arrival of a beat-up freighter to save a particular Force-sensitive pilot. But his choice to completely ignore the danger turned out to be a lethal dose of hubris.

Post by **Ghost Rider** » 2006-03-08 04:33pm

I would be sporting.

R2-D2 riding a Dewback shall lead my forces. I'm still magnitudes of order more powerful that tactics would matter as much to me as destroying tortise with a baseball bat.

Cos Dashit · Post by **Cos Dashit** » 2006-03-08 04:50pm

Lukedanieljames wrote:Correct me if i'm wrong as its been years since I've seen ANH, but tarkin wasn't that cocky.

I believe that Tarkin had every right to be cocky. The truth was that the only reason the Rebels managed to blow up the first Death Star was that Luke was skilled in the ways of the Force. If it weren't for him, the Rebels would have been blown to bits.

Besides, the Imperials did not know that a Jedi was in the attack. They thought it was just a bunch of pilots. Come to think of it, they didn't even believe in Jedi. IIRC, one of the Imperial Leaders called Vaders Force an "extinct religion". The only one who should have had any qualms was Darth Vader. "The Force is strong with this one." If I was Vader at that moment, I would have told them to get the hell out of there, the possibility of the Death Star becoming debris is far greater than we expected.

So if anyone was cocky, it was Vader.

Elfdart · Post by **Elfdart** » 2006-03-09 12:12am

NecronLord wrote:Well, it's a bit harder than you guys think, if you don't want transwarp equipped warbirds blowing up random bits of Imperial planets. Even megaton torpedos can still fuck civillians over quite nicely.

Palpatine would pop a load of Dark Side Sith Jizz the second that happened. Suddenly he can blame the Rebellion for the atrocities and win over fence-sitters. Tarkin might not even bother with blowing away Alderaan since he'd have his Pearl Harbor/ 9-11/ Reichstag Fire excuse to do whatever the hell he wanted.

Given the political climates of the Federation, Borg, Klingons, Romulans and most other societies in Trek, there's almost zero chance of them forming an alliance with the Rebellion. So the forces from AQ stir up trouble, the Rebel Alliance takes the blame and the Empire's chances of crushing the latter improve greatly, while the Empire's chances of wiping out the former are even better. And Darth Sidious lives happily ever after.

Elfdart · Post by **Elfdart** » 2006-03-09 12:15am

Cos Dashit wrote:Besides, the Imperials did not know that a Jedi was in the attack. They thought it was just a bunch of pilots. Come to think of it, they didn't even believe in Jedi. IIRC, one of the Imperial Leaders called Vaders Force an "extinct religion". The only one who should have had any qualms was Darth Vader. "The Force is strong with this one." If I was Vader at that moment, I would have told them to get the hell out of there, the possibility of the Death Star becoming debris is far greater than we expected.

So if anyone was cocky, it was Vader.

His warning would have come less than a minute before Luke blew up the Death Star. So unless Tarkin was inside his ship with the engine running and ready for takeoff, he was fucked in the ass balls deep.

RedImperator · Post by **RedImperator** » 2006-03-09 06:13pm

Lukedanieljames wrote:Correct me if i'm wrong as its been years since I've seen ANH, but tarkin wasn't that cocky.

He said the deathstar was the ultimate power in the universe, and he was right, nothing was more powerful

and when the xwings were attacking, he didn't LET them attack, he had turbo lasers and tie fighters scrambled, when his subordinate said "we've analyzed their attack zone, there is a danger, should I have your ship standing by?"

"Evacuate in our moment of triumph? I think you over-estimate their chances"

and he was right, even the rebels knew it was a million to one shot to hit the exhaust port with turbo lasers and tie fighters out there. Would you have done any different? your in a 120km battle station that can blowup planets, you've been hunting the rebellion for YEARS and your about to blow them away, you wouldn't backdown from 20 xwings.

I wouldn't back down, but for Goddamn sure I would have put TIEs in the air as soon as I saw those rebel fighters inbound. In fact, I would have had them launched anyway--in support of some ISDs--to chase down any Rebels who tried to escape from Yavin.

Cos Dashit · Post by **Cos Dashit** » 2006-03-09 08:11pm

RedImperator wrote:
Lukedanieljames wrote:Correct me if i'm wrong as its been years since I've seen ANH, but tarkin wasn't that cocky.

He said the deathstar was the ultimate power in the universe, and he was right, nothing was more powerful

and when the xwings were attacking, he didn't LET them attack, he had turbo lasers and tie fighters scrambled, when his subordinate said "we've analyzed their attack zone, there is a danger, should I have your ship standing by?"

"Evacuate in our moment of triumph? I think you over-estimate their chances"

and he was right, even the rebels knew it was a million to one shot to hit the exhaust port with turbo lasers and tie fighters out there. Would you have done any different? your in a 120km battle station that can blowup planets, you've been hunting the rebellion for YEARS and your about to blow them away, you wouldn't backdown from 20 xwings.
I wouldn't back down, but for Goddamn sure I would have put TIEs in the air as soon as I saw those rebel fighters inbound. In fact, I would have had them launched anyway--in support of some ISDs--to chase down any Rebels who tried to escape from Yavin.

They didn't really know that their turbolasers wouldn't be able to hit the Rebel fighters. But once that was established, Vader sent out the TIEs.

Post by **Ghost Rider** » 2006-03-09 08:16pm

Cos Dashit wrote:
RedImperator wrote:
Lukedanieljames wrote:Correct me if i'm wrong as its been years since I've seen ANH, but tarkin wasn't that cocky.

He said the deathstar was the ultimate power in the universe, and he was right, nothing was more powerful

and when the xwings were attacking, he didn't LET them attack, he had turbo lasers and tie fighters scrambled, when his subordinate said "we've analyzed their attack zone, there is a danger, should I have your ship standing by?"

"Evacuate in our moment of triumph? I think you over-estimate their chances"

and he was right, even the rebels knew it was a million to one shot to hit the exhaust port with turbo lasers and tie fighters out there. Would you have done any different? your in a 120km battle station that can blowup planets, you've been hunting the rebellion for YEARS and your about to blow them away, you wouldn't backdown from 20 xwings.
I wouldn't back down, but for Goddamn sure I would have put TIEs in the air as soon as I saw those rebel fighters inbound. In fact, I would have had them launched anyway--in support of some ISDs--to chase down any Rebels who tried to escape from Yavin.
They didn't really know that their turbolasers wouldn't be able to hit the Rebel fighters. But once that was established, Vader sent out the TIEs.

Unless Dodonna is magnitudes of order more intelligent then the officers on the DS, yes they did.

Dodonna mentions that the Death Star is favored for large scale assualts and that small one man fighter would breach the defenses.

Cos Dashit · Post by **Cos Dashit** » 2006-03-09 08:30pm

Ghost Rider wrote:Unless Dodonna is magnitudes of order more intelligent then the officers on the DS, yes they did.

Dodonna mentions that the Death Star is favored for large scale assualts and that small one man fighter would breach the defenses.

Why did the Imperial officers even bother with the turbolasers then? Too lazy, or maybe they didn't care?

That I would classify as arrogance.

Post by **Ghost Rider** » 2006-03-09 08:36pm

Cos Dashit wrote:
Ghost Rider wrote:Unless Dodonna is magnitudes of order more intelligent then the officers on the DS, yes they did.

Dodonna mentions that the Death Star is favored for large scale assualts and that small one man fighter would breach the defenses.
Why did the Imperial officers even bother with the turbolasers then? Too lazy, or maybe they didn't care?

That I would classify as arrogance.

Because it was their first line of defense, and honestly probably didn't give a fuck.

lPeregrine · Post by **lPeregrine** » 2006-03-10 01:49am

Elfdart wrote:
NecronLord wrote:Well, it's a bit harder than you guys think, if you don't want transwarp equipped warbirds blowing up random bits of Imperial planets. Even megaton torpedos can still fuck civillians over quite nicely.
Palpatine would pop a load of Dark Side Sith Jizz the second that happened. Suddenly he can blame the Rebellion for the atrocities and win over fence-sitters. Tarkin might not even bother with blowing away Alderaan since he'd have his Pearl Harbor/ 9-11/ Reichstag Fire excuse to do whatever the hell he wanted.

Exactly. And any really important worlds have planetary shields, so it's just the poor worthless ones that get to suffer. An empire that blows away whole planets as a political statement isn't going to care if the price of victory is a few outer-rim colonists on some worthless rock like Tatooine.