Inteligent Design vs Evolution

[Majin Gojira]

That's actually not true. Just like creationism, ID is also gaining support in conservative islamic circles. They are using the same arguments and trying to achieve the same things. TO the point where I was wondering whether there are any anual get-togethers or coordinations to support each other...

I doubt that there are really that many islamic IDers, compared to the number of christian. The muslim fundies seem to take greater pride in how the Quran predicted all of science. From my experience, at least. Of course, if they do reject evolution, their idea must be pretty much: "The Quran predicted all of science, except evolution, which [therefore] is wrong"

But otherwise you can always change the question a little:
"Why is that almost 100% of all IDers are either Christian or Muslim?"

or if the percentage of muslim IDers is really high
"Is ID a terrorist/satanic organisation?"
(I'm just using the fundies' own rhetoric; I do not support the notion that all muslims are terrorists or that all terrorists are muslims)

Raelians are also Creationists...they just use Aliens instead of Gods.

[Darth Wong]

Another question that usually stumps creationists is:

"According to intelligent design, every species was conceived to fit perfectly into its environment, with incomprehensibly complex features and designs that indicate superior intelligence and wisdom. Myriad features and variables had to be carefully balanced, and weighed so that everything worked out and everything fit together. Correct?

But if that's the case, then why are 99% of the species in the fossil record extinct? Dead? History? Toast? FAILED? A 99% failure rate sounds more like incompetent design than intelligent design, doesn't it?"

[brianeyci]

"God planned it that way to test our faith."

"You're wrong. I know that 99% of species survive."

"There's proof for macroevolution but not microevolution. So that doesn't say anything about evolution."

"The fossil record's lying. Scientists don't want you to know the truth."

"You're an athiest so you're biased."

Cue the microphone cutting off after he answers your question so you don't have a chance to reply .

Brian

[Dooey Jo]

Raelians are also Creationists...they just use Aliens instead of Gods.

The difference is that the Raëlian designer isn't secret or mysterious, but a bunch of aliens (so obviously they must be ridiculous, even though an identified designer is much better, scientifically, than an unknown one)...
Besides, the real point of the question is that only religious people believe in this oh-so-scientific theory of theirs, which is interesting (or not actually, but it might be interesting to the audience)

[R. U. Serious]

I doubt that there are really that many islamic IDers, compared to the number of christian. The muslim fundies seem to take greater pride in how the Quran predicted all of science. From my experience, at least. Of course, if they do reject evolution, their idea must be pretty much: "The Quran predicted all of science, except evolution, which [therefore] is wrong"

I don't know how popular it is - though I am pretty sure it is less popular than in the US - but there is plenty of books and some discussions on that topic. And yes, they argue exactly the way you say it, that rejecting "darwinism" is not rejecting science etc. etc. blah-blah.

This might give you an idea on the level of the debate:
http://www.harunyahya.com/terrorism7.php
"Islam Denounces Terrorism - The Real Roots of Terrorism: Darwinism and Materialism"

Here is some more about Yahya: http://www.tabsir.net/?p=122

[Alyeska]

I chickened out. I couldn't deal with the fact that the lecture was likely to give me heartburn having to listen to all the drivel. My dad went, and what one of the college students said made my day. The student challenged the speaker by pointing out that ID was nothing more then creationists trying to sneak creationism through the courts. The speaker never answered the question.