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Posted: **2006-06-28 05:39am**

Something I've been meaning to say about this whole fiasco for a while:

Where does Lucas get most of his money from? Dedicated fans like you guys? Or hordes of pre-teen kiddies and their parents? And which group is easier to please/pander to?

Simple economics, folks! He doesn't give a fuck. And if the guy at the top doesn't give a fuck, why shlould any of the lower downs?

Posted: **2006-06-28 07:52am**

Phil Skayhan wrote:And they promptly folded. They changed the name of their site and are practically on their knees begging for forgiveness judging by the sheer numbers of apologies they're issuing.

I'm kind of reminded of that Cheers episode where Cliff has this sound-amplifying device because he's convinced of some kind of conspiracy against him. All the other bar patrons comment that it seems that he's finally just gone crazy, but Woody protests that maybe he's on to something and should be given the benefit of the doubt. At that point Cliff walks back in and thanks Woody, that he heard everything through his machine and appreciated his support. After he leaves Woody says, "I knew he was listening, I was just hoping that maybe after this when he snaps he'll spare me."

I think it's becoming more and more obvious to the fans as a whole that KT's sanity has dumped its cargo at first sign of an Imperial cruiser, and that now we're stuck with someone who clearly is suffering from some kind of problem. And when you're dealing with a crazy person, you're kind of stuck; you do it the Woody way, in the hopes that you'll be spared their madness, or our way, which is recognizing that the universe isn't your own private psychiatrist couch. Seriously, how rational has this behavior been, even aside of the garroting and trachea pulling, at what point do you say "You know, maybe creating a made-up language of swear words based on the names of people you hate isn't healthy"?

Posted: **2006-06-28 07:52am**

18-Till-I-Die wrote:LFL wont even notice this now, but when (not if but when) this expands to the point it starts costing them money then they will most certainly step in and make the enevitable call to sack Travissty and most likely Moose as well.

Which would enrage all her Fandalorians and in turn cost LFL a lot more money than a bunch of Saxonites who have already declared their abandonment of the EU.

Posted: **2006-06-28 11:38am**

Sonnenburg wrote:that KT's sanity has dumped its cargo at first sign of an Imperial cruiser,

That, right there, is hilarious. Mind if I sig it?

Posted: **2006-06-28 01:22pm**

I found it rather amusing that Traviss outright stated in her blog she watches for any mention of her name on the internet and rushes into the discussion whenever someone drops a line about her, especially if its even slightly negative. Moreover, she doesn't seem to recognize that such behavior could be easily construed as obsessive and unhealthy, and launches into a blistering rant against people she is only acquinated to through her pet syncophant simply because her intials were used in a silly (and rather amusing) little tune. The signs of a serious anti-social neurosis could not be more evident.

I find it rather disappointing that the blog folded under pressure as it did, but it is still satisfying and heartening to see some others are finally seeing DM for what he really is; a petulant, petty, self-superior child with more power than he is capable of handling in anything approaching a mature manner. And there do seem to be a few in the blog group with a spine yet.

Posted: **2006-06-28 01:51pm**

Traviss has sunk to a new low. This constant "the trolls who have stalked, harrassed, abused and libelled me." BS that's going on is disturbing on many levels. Why would an author comment on every, single negative comment that comes his/hers way? (I can't imagine that the really big popular writers, such as Grisham et. al. would have really much time to do anything else if they would.) In this particular case, why not sit down and try to look at the situation, that there actually could be a reason as to why people have started to look at her and Dark Moose in that way? The song was made in jest for crying out loud. As for being an "offensive comment about a dead soldier", of course it wasn't. How on Earth can both DM and KT have misunderstood it so completely? KT writes in her OS blog header that "[she] has opinions, and she ain't afraid to use them?", but other people who uses their opinions are labelled as 'trolls' and 'talifans'.

I thought this was very telling: "Especially as the mod they'd taken against had been the brave soul dealing with the trolls targeting me.". Yes, we all know what 'trolls' Traviss and Dork Moose are referring to (that word has gotten a new meaning over at the OS and now means 'people, i.e. paying customers, who have the gall to be vocal with criticism').

And the word 'talifan' still makes me see red.

Posted: **2006-06-28 04:05pm**

And Cunt has this to add on her sw.com blog:

Cunt wrote:(*EDIT July 28. Which they have now done, so we're aware who got sucked in simply by association and knew nothing of what was going on, and some others who had the good grace to apologise for their part.

FURTHER EDIT: I note that many if not all of the offending posts have been removed from the PLB blog now. That might confuse some trying to piece together the unlovely background to this, but on balance it's better that the material is gone.)

Who the FUCK does this dried up hag think she is?

Posted: **2006-06-28 04:28pm**

NecronLord wrote:
Sonnenburg wrote:that KT's sanity has dumped its cargo at first sign of an Imperial cruiser,
That, right there, is hilarious. Mind if I sig it?

Oh, go right ahead.

Posted: **2006-06-28 04:28pm**

I always read Poe's posts imagining Sam Kinneson's screaming, angry voice.

Its awesome.

Posted: **2006-06-28 04:55pm**

Phil Skayhan wrote:And they promptly folded. They changed the name of their site and are practically on their knees begging for forgiveness judging by the sheer numbers of apologies they're issuing.

We should feel sorry for them. It must be hard to go through life as a male with no balls.

Posted: **2006-06-28 04:58pm**

Noble Ire wrote:I found it rather amusing that Traviss outright stated in her blog she watches for any mention of her name on the internet and rushes into the discussion whenever someone drops a line about her, especially if its even slightly negative. Moreover, she doesn't seem to recognize that such behavior could be easily construed as obsessive and unhealthy, and launches into a blistering rant against people she is only acquinated to through her pet syncophant simply because her intials were used in a silly (and rather amusing) little tune. The signs of a serious anti-social neurosis could not be more evident.

Her behaviour is indicative of severe self-esteem problems. As I've said before, all of her histrionics essentially amount to nothing more than an inability to handle criticism as an author.

Hey Traviss, you stupid bitch, when you write something, there will be people out there who think it sucks. Especially if you get sloppy and make mistakes, which you did. Get over it. You can't silence all criticism of your work by pretending that it's "harassment" or "misogyny", and it's childish to paper over your mistakes rather than admitting to them.

You know it's true, Karen. When you see someone lambasting your work or making fun of your mistakes, you get angry. Your pulse rate rises, you fidget in your seat, your blood pressure skyrockets. You jump onto your keyboard and angrily type whatever you think is necessary to shut up this insolent fool on the Internet who dares criticize your work or point out your mistakes. And even after you've hit "post", you're still simmering, still angry about what he said, still thinking of how you can somehow get back at him, hurt him in any way, make him feel bad for what he did. I knew this had to be the way you think the minute I saw you angrily typing that your critics should be garrotted. You need help, Karen. Either that, or you need to get fucked up the ass, to loosen whatever fucking obstruction you've got in there right now.

Posted: **2006-06-28 05:07pm**

Now now Mike, you're stalking her by posting that. I can't believe you're trolling your own board.

For the love of Yoda, I hope you know that was sarcasm

Posted: **2006-06-28 05:44pm**

Mange wrote:Traviss has sunk to a new low. This constant "the trolls who have stalked, harrassed, abused and libelled me." BS that's going on is disturbing on many levels. Why would an author comment on every, single negative comment that comes his/hers way? (I can't imagine that the really big popular writers, such as Grisham et. al. would have really much time to do anything else if they would.)

Because like you noted, they are big...she isn't. She's small time and thus is like an old crotchety hawk that needs to insure no one dares says otherwise.

In this particular case, why not sit down and try to look at the situation, that there actually could be a reason as to why people have started to look at her and Dark Moose in that way? The song was made in jest for crying out loud. As for being an "offensive comment about a dead soldier", of course it wasn't.

When one reaches her level of paranoia...one literally absconds all sanity. She's jumping at shadows, literally.

How on Earth can both DM and KT have misunderstood it so completely? KT writes in her OS blog header that "[she] has opinions, and she ain't afraid to use them?", but other people who uses their opinions are labelled as 'trolls' and 'talifans'.

To the first. One is a lifeless loser who mods Star Wars board because no one with a life would have the time DM has.

The other is a hack writer that got lucky that her first work was decent but cannot and will not admit her mistake because she wants the Mandalorians to be her wanked soliders of Republic and beyond.

I thought this was very telling: "Especially as the mod they'd taken against had been the brave soul dealing with the trolls targeting me.". Yes, we all know what 'trolls' Traviss and Dork Moose are referring to (that word has gotten a new meaning over at the OS and now means 'people, i.e. paying customers, who have the gall to be vocal with criticism').

And the word 'talifan' still makes me see red.

The fact they made up their enemies as a similar name to terrorists tells you all you need to know of how much they place value on others and how much they need sychopantic worship.

Posted: **2006-06-28 06:13pm**

It absolutely flabbergasts me that Lucasfilm lets a little megalomaniac like Dark Moose treat paying customers this way. Even Star Trek at the absolute depths of the B&B era didn't pull this kind of nonsense. They must be sure the Star Wars gravy train is going to run forever, because they don't seem to be even slightly interested in how their most loyal customers are being treated.

Posted: **2006-06-28 06:20pm**

You know that if KT spent all this energy and time and did some research, she would have release a worth-while new book. Then the criticism will simmer down a bit and she would have loads more money. Much better then trying to kill her own fans; she is worst than Saddam Hussein.

Posted: **2006-06-28 07:50pm**

RedImperator wrote:It absolutely flabbergasts me that Lucasfilm lets a little megalomaniac like Dark Moose treat paying customers this way. Even Star Trek at the absolute depths of the B&B era didn't pull this kind of nonsense. They must be sure the Star Wars gravy train is going to run forever, because they don't seem to be even slightly interested in how their most loyal customers are being treated.

What matters to LFL is not your loyalty to the spirit of Star Wars, but your loyalty to the merchandising.

Posted: **2006-06-28 09:00pm**

Jesus CHRIST the desperation to be accepted by a fucking WRITER is painful to watch:

I Quit...
Yep. I quit. I want to be removed from this website. I'm serious. This is not the blog it should be, so I quit. I don't care if all of you hate me for it. I may not even read the comments you leave. Luuke, remove me from the list. This is not the way I am. I was far too new to the blogs to be asking to join this place. Hey, all of you Hyperspacers, blacklist me! See if I care. I almost broke into tears when I saw all that has been happening during my absense. This is sad.

Goodbye, folks...

I am so sorry, Karen, DM, and all of the others effected.. Please don't hate me.

EDIT: Karen, I realized I was on your blacklist. That put a big hole in my heart... I really didn't want any of this to happen. I am in tears now. I just wanted to have another place to hang out. PLEASE, PLEASE forgive me. What we did was stupid, and I refuse to be a part of this "Pitiful Blog". I feel so stupid. I'd rather be on the good side of my favorite writer, my inspirtation, my HERO, than these guys. You made me love clones, you made me realize that two people that look exactly the same have ENTIRELY different personalities. Sure, the same is apparent with twins, but clones always seemed like useless grunts that looked the same. You changed that for me. I was always wanting to post this on your blogs, but it was not on the same subject as them. I wanted to make sure that whatever I said, it was on your good side. And now, look at me. You dislike me, with good reason. And that was a VERY large mistake.

Please, luuke, don't delete this entry. I would really like Karen to get a chance to read this.

SORRY SORRY SORRY SORRY SORRY SORRY SORRY SORRY SORRY SORRY SORRY...
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Posted: **2006-06-28 09:04pm**

I think I'm going to throw up. "Waaah! Please like me!!!! You're my hero!!!"

Sickening.

Posted: **2006-06-28 09:11pm**

Disgusting. How is that Traviss and DM have accumulated such a following, consisting of people who will sacrifice every shred of dignity and allientate entire board population simply get on their good side? Don't these people have eyes? Can't they read the hateful and wholly inappropriate bile and slander they launch against anyone they even perceive as talking negatively, even to the smallest degree, no matter where or in what context it is done in? And it's not like they have very many redeeming features even when they're not advocating the demonization and termination of their "enemies"; each is more transparently false and soupy than even McEwok.

Shameful, all of them. Syncophants and their masters.

Posted: **2006-06-28 09:16pm**

Poe, please tell me that you grabbed the very worst one there, and not a typical example.

Please?

Posted: **2006-06-28 09:17pm**

The worst thing is that the way they change their tune when threatened. It's not as if they "see the light", although they'll say that in order to kiss ass. They just don't want to get on DM's bad side because he can and will ban them without any kind of reason, just because he feels like it.

That's the problem with "star chamber" moderating policies, where you can't actually see what caused someone to get banned.

Posted: **2006-06-28 09:18pm**

...are you guys sure he's not taking the piss?

Posted: **2006-06-28 09:19pm**

fusion wrote:You know that if KT spent all this energy and time and did some research, she would have release a worth-while new book. Then the criticism will simmer down a bit and she would have loads more money. Much better then trying to kill her own fans; she is worst than Saddam Hussein.

Maybe here's the answer to that fusion. Not sure if this is the same thing Poe hinted at, but the first page of results on Google there's an interview where KT admits this:

Do you make fun of people?:
I'm an ENTJ. Mockery wastes valuable obsessing time.

ENTJ

ENTJs can get ahead of themselves and jump to conclusions in their effort to get things done. They may need to be reminded to take the time to listen to other points of view. Being tough-minded, ENTJs have a tendency to ignore their own and others' feelings. With a burning desire to achieve - and a constant eye on how current decision will effect end results - ENTJs may become overly argumentative when obstacles get in their way. Small talk and casual conversations appear frivolous and without merit when projects are at hand. This, along with the NT's nature of being impervious to social conventions and customs, can cause others to feel affronted.

When ENTJs sense that they are losing control, they feel an increasing need for completion. If stress continues, they become distracted by a compelling "got to" and "have to" state of mind. Their need to master a situation then becomes misdirected and they engage in compulsive behaviors that preoccupy their attention and time. Feeling helpless, and lacking confidence, they resort to completing simple, meaningless, repetitive tasks (i.e. cleaning, counting, inspecting ) in an effort to avoid a growing sense of failure. By avoiding ineptitude at all costs, their competence and ability are never fully tested. Ironically, these all-consuming distractions are the very behaviors that prevent ENTJs from fulfilling their basic need for achievement and improvement.

If this is stepping on your toes Poe feel free to PM me and I'll edit, this is a personality trait (not a disorder IIRC) so thinking it's different to what you have discovered.

Posted: **2006-06-28 09:27pm**

Anguirus wrote:Poe, please tell me that you grabbed the very worst one there, and not a typical example.

Please?

That's the worst I found. There's a lot in the middle, and a couple whom (whom?) I'm in contact with, who have "seen the light."

Posted: **2006-06-28 09:30pm**

Whew. Only so much abuse a fan will take from an author, I suppose. Either they'll get it and change their opinion of said author, or they'll crack.

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