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Yoda: You don't want any friends?

Are you fuckin kidding me? What the hell is wrong with you?

Jack Bauer wrote:Yoda: You don't want any friends?

Are you fuckin kidding me? What the hell is wrong with you?

Yoda's a teenager... the story is probably a little fantasy made up so as to not feel as lonely or scared or insecure as everybody does as teenagers. Unless Yoda's a complete sociopath, this "I don't want friends" line is just insecurity being portrayed as tough-guy lonerism.

no your forgetting he's a teenager, there's always that nhillist, existensialist, linkin park, hates everyone crowd too. I recall I was one of the nerds in there quoting neizche, anne rand and Jean Paul Sartre

SancheztheWhaler wrote:

Jack Bauer wrote:Yoda: You don't want any friends?

Are you fuckin kidding me? What the hell is wrong with you?

Yoda's a teenager... the story is probably a little fantasy made up so as to not feel as lonely or scared or insecure as everybody does as teenagers. Unless Yoda's a complete sociopath, this "I don't want friends" line is just insecurity being portrayed as tough-guy lonerism.

Perhaps I should rephrase it as "I don't particularly care for the social environment present in my school."

By the way, was that your 1701st post?

Yoda wrote:

SancheztheWhaler wrote:

Jack Bauer wrote:Yoda: You don't want any friends?

Are you fuckin kidding me? What the hell is wrong with you?

Yoda's a teenager... the story is probably a little fantasy made up so as to not feel as lonely or scared or insecure as everybody does as teenagers. Unless Yoda's a complete sociopath, this "I don't want friends" line is just insecurity being portrayed as tough-guy lonerism.

Perhaps I should rephrase it as "I don't particularly care for the social environment present in my school."

By the way, was that your 1701st post?

I felt the same way in high school sometimes... and I even remember saying things like you did in your first post. Looking back now, I realize how silly/stupid I was and how so much of my attitude was derived from inexperience and insecurity.

There are so many people that call themselves "not a stereotypical teenager", but there really is no stereotypical teenager. Unless you're talking about the movie stereotypes, but those are movies. Sure, in my high school there are blonde airheads and jocks with giant egos, but I wouldn't call them "stereotypical".

And Yoda, I sincerely do hope that you try to make some friends. You may not care for the overall social environment, but it's impossible that everybody is so different from you that it's impossible to relate, have common ground, etc. Create your own social environment. Besides, friends are useful.

Darth Wong wrote:When people wonder aloud what teens are thinking, it's a rhetorical question. We were all teens ourselves, and we remember what we were thinking at the time: nothing. You never really sit down and contemplate anything beyond your own feelings when you're a teenager. In fact, you think it's an incredibly profound thing to get in touch with your own feelings, talk about them, wallow in them, etc.

i thought quite bit. Though most thoughts roughly translated to: "wow I want to fuck her"

Yoda wrote:If you want an analysis of the 12-14 year old mind, I'm the guy to ask (I'm very observant).

Yeah, you sound like most of the teenagers I've known alright. I think you'll find as you get older that most people spend a lot of time explaining themselves as extraordinary while often being very thankful that they're not.

SancheztheWhaler wrote:

Yoda wrote:

SancheztheWhaler wrote: Yoda's a teenager... the story is probably a little fantasy made up so as to not feel as lonely or scared or insecure as everybody does as teenagers. Unless Yoda's a complete sociopath, this "I don't want friends" line is just insecurity being portrayed as tough-guy lonerism.

Perhaps I should rephrase it as "I don't particularly care for the social environment present in my school."

By the way, was that your 1701st post?

I felt the same way in high school sometimes... and I even remember saying things like you did in your first post. Looking back now, I realize how silly/stupid I was and how so much of my attitude was derived from inexperience and insecurity.

Very much agree. Yoda, you better take a good look at the world and how it works. I was at your stage, hell, I'm still a teenager. Grow up.

More percisely, make your exterior self grow up. I don't doubt the fact you may be as smart as hell, but you're not mature.

Look around you on this board, we have people from every spectrum, notice who suceed? Both at communicating their thoughts and at life, they are social people. You can't ignore that facet.

It's actually kind of funny that teens think you have to presently be a teen yourself in order to understand them. Their conceit is that adults (who were all teens once) somehow don't understand teens just because they don't agree with teens. It never occurs to them that maybe the adult knows something the teen doesn't.

If you want to understand schizophrenia, would you ask a schizophrenic rather than a psychiatrist? You might study him, but you sure as hell wouldn't accept his analysis of himself, unless "Can't you hear the voices" is supposed to represent a valid analysis.

Well, I'm a teenager, and I want to know this: Why the fuck does everyone want to know when I'm going to shag someone and loose my virginity? I don't know! Last I checked no one particulerly wants to have sex with me! It does bug me sometimes, though I have got used to it, heh.

Yoda wrote:I'm the smartest person in the entire school (at least judged by other students, people who are impressed by my ability to multiply 600x20 in my head). I am a stereotypical nerd (or at least close to) yet I am never picked on in any way.

Obviously, either you are not the smartest person in your school, your classmates are wrongly applying great intelligence to you, you were held back to where 600x20 is a hard mathematical problem, you're claiming superiority when you should be claiming inferiority, or you're stuck in a part of some country where most people don't get far past 5th Grade (In fact, either I give people too much credit or a 5th Grader should be able to do that too).

Hawkwings wrote:There are so many people that call themselves "not a stereotypical teenager", but there really is no stereotypical teenager. Unless you're talking about the movie stereotypes, but those are movies. Sure, in my high school there are blonde airheads and jocks with giant egos, but I wouldn't call them "stereotypical".

And Yoda, I sincerely do hope that you try to make some friends. You may not care for the overall social environment, but it's impossible that everybody is so different from you that it's impossible to relate, have common ground, etc. Create your own social environment. Besides, friends are useful.

If I were to find a person with an IQ greater than that of a glass of water, I would find it much easier to socialize with them. The hard part is finding one of them.

I have no trouble socializing, I just choose not to. Am I anti-social for not caring about who won the latest hockey game? If you ask me what my opinion is on something like the war in Iraq, I'll gladly have a conversation with you.

Yoda wrote:

Hawkwings wrote:There are so many people that call themselves "not a stereotypical teenager", but there really is no stereotypical teenager. Unless you're talking about the movie stereotypes, but those are movies. Sure, in my high school there are blonde airheads and jocks with giant egos, but I wouldn't call them "stereotypical".

And Yoda, I sincerely do hope that you try to make some friends. You may not care for the overall social environment, but it's impossible that everybody is so different from you that it's impossible to relate, have common ground, etc. Create your own social environment. Besides, friends are useful.

If I were to find a person with an IQ greater than that of a glass of water, I would find it much easier to socialize with them. The hard part is finding one of them.

I have no trouble socializing, I just choose not to. Am I anti-social for not caring about who won the latest hockey game? If you ask me what my opinion is on something like the war in Iraq, I'll gladly have a conversation with you.

I find it hard to belive in an American high school that you would not find a single intelligient person to converse with. From my understanding American high schools are rather large, esspecially in urban areas.
So if that is the case, you're just not making a proper effort.

General Schatten wrote:
Obviously, either you are not the smartest person in your school, your classmates are wrongly applying great intelligence to you, you were held back to where 600x20 is a hard mathematical problem, you're claiming superiority when you should be claiming inferiority, or you're stuck in a part of some country where most people don't get far past 5th Grade (In fact, either I give people too much credit or a 5th Grader should be able to do that too).

I agree that that should be a grade 5 level question. The fact that these were grade 7 students accentuates (part of) my point (that my classmates are idiots).

I understand that from your point of view it appears that I have an inferiority complex or something similar.

In response to one of the above posts, I probably do have some kind of phycological disorder, but in some people's opinion, homosexuality is a disorder

Yoda wrote:In response to one of the above posts, I probably do have some kind of phycological disorder, but in some people's opinion, homosexuality is a disorder

So you're saying whatever disorder you have is not actully importent since others consider homosexuality a disorder?

You consider yourself smart and don't see the problem here? You're putting yourself at the same logical level as they are if so.

Ace Pace wrote: I find it hard to belive in an American high school that you would not find a single intelligient person to converse with. From my understanding American high schools are rather large, esspecially in urban areas.
So if that is the case, you're just not making a proper effort.

True, I don't actively seek anyone out.

Actually, I live in Canada and am attending Senior Elementary (Grade 7-8) school (Middle school in the U.S.). There are approximately 475 students.

Ace Pace wrote:
So you're saying whatever disorder you have is not actully importent since others consider homosexuality a disorder?

You consider yourself smart and don't see the problem here? You're putting yourself at the same logical level as they are if so.

No, what I'm trying to say is that I consider whatever "disorder" I have to be a lifestyle choice on my part.

Yoda wrote:
True, I don't actively seek anyone out.

Actually, I live in Canada and am attending Senior Elementary (Grade 7-8) school (Middle school in the U.S.). There are approximately 475 students.

If you don't seek out others, how do you expect to find people at your level? By just magiclly coming across them?

You come across as someone who has a problem, apprently dosn't understand it's a problem and refuses to fix it. Frankly, thats not mature, thats teenager behavior at it's most sterotypical.

Ace Pace wrote: If you don't seek out others, how do you expect to find people at your level? By just magically coming across them?

You come across as someone who has a problem, apparently doesn't understand it's a problem and refuses to fix it. Frankly, that's not mature, that's teenager behavior at it's most stereotypical.

If you were to show me a brain scan showing the imbalance or whatever causes it and prescribe a treatment, I would perhaps consider treatment. I realize it's a problem to some people, but I'm perfectly happy with it.

This is not done by default, I consciously choose to be this way.

Yoda wrote:

Ace Pace wrote: If you don't seek out others, how do you expect to find people at your level? By just magically coming across them?

You come across as someone who has a problem, apparently doesn't understand it's a problem and refuses to fix it. Frankly, that's not mature, that's teenager behavior at it's most stereotypical.

If you were to show me a brain scan showing the imbalance or whatever causes it and prescribe a treatment, I would perhaps consider treatment. I realize it's a problem to some people, but I'm perfectly happy with it.

This is not done by default, I consciously choose to be this way.

Wow, my point flew right over your head regarding other people, do you make it a habit to only reply to what you want?

Which again seems to be typical teenage behavior. Here's a hint, just for fun, go look through say Surlethes post history. He's a teenager, observent, exceptional, everything you say. But he isn't a monument to teenager sterotype of beliving he's figured it all out by 14.

Yoda wrote:

Ace Pace wrote: I find it hard to belive in an American high school that you would not find a single intelligient person to converse with. From my understanding American high schools are rather large, esspecially in urban areas.
So if that is the case, you're just not making a proper effort.

True, I don't actively seek anyone out.

Actually, I live in Canada and am attending Senior Elementary (Grade 7-8) school (Middle school in the U.S.). There are approximately 475 students.

So you're in middle school? That makes you what, 12, 13, 14? I understand that adolescence isn't a pleasant time for most anyone, but quite frankly, you don't know anything yet. I'm twice your age and I'm at least smart enough to know that I don't know everything. Frankly, it sounds like you're having some troubles socially (you're painfully shy, perhaps), and rather than facing the problems head on you're making excuses (psychological disorders) or blaming everybody else (for being too stupid to comprehend you).

Welcome to your teenage years, buddy. The sooner you accept that everybody else is just as scared, nervous, and insecure as you are, the easier life will be.

Speaking as a nerdy 15-year old, I can attest that yes, most of my thoughts not related to science fiction, emotions or studies equates to "I want to get laid/ I want to get laid with her/ I'm bored, let's do something zany and dangerous!... I need to get laid", my thoughts revolving around studies equate to "I'm smart, I aced this test easy/ I'm smart, I don't need to do this boring work!/ this work is boring, let's do something zany and dangerous!" and my emotions are "Life sucks so much.../ How pathetic must I be to think life sucks so much when I have so much.../ I'm so pathetic, I suck so much... I NEED to get laid."

Story of my life. Almost.

EDIT: Yes, I am the kind of student that teachers always tell, " You know, Amoeba, you could be getting s 95% average in this class if you only did your work and applied yourself..."

Also, to Yoda: If there are almost 500 people in your school, there's someone out there you can relate to.
I was in a school of just under 300 for awhile and I was lonely and depressed as fuck... Because I was too caqught up in my own arrogance and depression to actually try to find friends. And once I went searching, I found them.

Some of them will feel like you, some try to masquerade as jocks to fit in, but if you go looking, you'll find people who can be your friends. They might not share all the same interests as you or be quite as smart, but what's important is that you can at least relate to them, not just have scholarly debates, though that is nice.

Also, a couple years ago, I thought I was a brilliant observer of the human nature of all the other, dumber students in my class. I was wrong.

Hawkwings wrote:There are so many people that call themselves "not a stereotypical teenager", but there really is no stereotypical teenager.

Like hell there isn't. A teenager is a walking mass of insecurity masked with arrogance, idealistic (yes, idealistic; before half the kids on this board come racing into this thread to proclaim how cynical they are, that cynicism is invariably born of idealistic expectations continuously dashed, not by hard experience the way adults become cynical), short sighted, thin skinned, without perspective, horny, tempermental, moody, and assured of his place at the absolute center of the entire universe. These characteristics manifest themselves in different ratios and in different ways from person to person, but they're all there. Most of it can be chalked up to inexperience, the rest hormones, and unless he's some kind of mutant freak or have lived an extremely unusual life, every teenager is a hormonal mess without a lick of experience in the real world.

I like teenagers. I find them interesting people, and it's a genuine delight to watch them develop from overgrown children into adults one epiphany at a time. I wouldn't have spent a giant heap of money on a master's in education if I didn't like them. But you people are, frankly, nuts. There's a reason why adults loathe other adults who still act like teenagers. If I actually had to raise one of you, I'd probably have to murder someone.

Yoda wrote:

Ace Pace wrote:
So you're saying whatever disorder you have is not actully importent since others consider homosexuality a disorder?

You consider yourself smart and don't see the problem here? You're putting yourself at the same logical level as they are if so.

No, what I'm trying to say is that I consider whatever "disorder" I have to be a lifestyle choice on my part.

You, sir, are precisely the kind of self-absorbed, know-it-all nutbar that all teenagers are at 14. Ignorance of a child, ego of an adult.

Psychological disorders.. Of which Homosexuality is not.. are serious things which need attention. Some can be cured, some kept in check, some worked around. Failure to do these things will make you fail at a test, and that test is called 'living'.

Through the murky depths of the past ten years, I can remember being like you. Self-righteous that there's nothing wrong with me. I chose this life. I don't need to socialize with these scum.

Wow, I was a moron, come to think of it. Glad I got over that.

But thanks for reminding us how egomaniacal a 14 year old is, and how ignorant of the realities of their conditions they can be.