Well? How is it?

Darth Servo · Post by **Darth Servo** » 2003-01-08 03:59pm

I salute you MoO. The pages absolutely destroy his arguments. Of course refuting most of what DS writes isn't exactly a major accomplishment, but congrats for plowing through so much BS (that was an accomplishmnet).

Unfortunately, DS will never be silenced. No matter how many different ways his points are shreadded, he simply refuses to shut up.

Slartibartfast · Post by **Slartibartfast** » 2003-01-08 05:24pm

It's quite good, but I find that there are far too many Editor's notes... in most cases the text in the Editor's notes is twice as much or more than MoO's original text.

Maybe the Editor (Wong, I presume) and Ossus should have agreed on stuff to add to Ossus' text, instead of adding all of it as Ed's notes?

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2003-01-08 05:35pm

I wanted to give Mike a chance to correct anything that he felt was wrong, and it was his site, anyway. I didn't see a problem with the Editor's notes. Additionally, I did NOT want to let anything like what Mike said get by, and to use Mike's points incorporated into my rebuttal would merely have allowed DarkStar to claim that I was a plagiarist (which, he almost certainly will, anyway, but it makes it harder).

Again, I don't think I destroyed him, either in the sense that he will stop spreading his bullshit. The goal was not to do that. The goal was to get other people to stop referencing his site as a credible source, and I think that I DID accomplish that.

Basically, the Wall of Ignorance cannot be destroyed by any craft we here possess. It was made in DarkStar's twisted mind, and only there can it be un-made.

Ender · Post by **Ender** » 2003-01-08 05:38pm

Master of Ossus wrote:Basically, the Wall of Ignorance cannot be destroyed by any craft we here possess. It was made in DarkStar's twisted mind, and only there can it be un-made.

I still say that throwing him into a volcano should work.

FaxModem1 · Post by **FaxModem1** » 2003-01-08 06:12pm

Bravo, very good, Now maybe he will stop giving such a bad name to trekkies(people who enjoy Star Trek) but I doubt it. I sense his fortress falling to the ground in the future, when I don't know, but IT WILL FALL!

Kamakazie Sith · Post by **Kamakazie Sith** » 2003-01-08 06:53pm

Master of Ossus wrote: Basically, the Wall of Ignorance cannot be destroyed by any craft we here possess. It was made in DarkStar's twisted mind, and only there can it be un-made.

Then we will need seven companions to go on a quest, into the very fires of Darkstars mind....but be warned there is evil there that does not sleep.

Darth Servo · Post by **Darth Servo** » 2003-01-08 06:55pm

Kamakazie Sith wrote:
Master of Ossus wrote: Basically, the Wall of Ignorance cannot be destroyed by any craft we here possess. It was made in DarkStar's twisted mind, and only there can it be un-made.
Then we will need seven companions to go on a quest, into the very fires of Darkstars mind....but be warned there is evil there that does not sleep.

Ugh. I think I'd rather watch Janeway porn.

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2003-01-08 08:11pm

D'oh, I just read the part about the coluombs and the volts. I don't know what I was thinking when I typed that, as I know what units charge is measured in.

Alyeska · Post by **Alyeska** » 2003-01-08 08:15pm

Just a suggestion Master of Ossus. You might want to list a credits page for all the people who helped you with technical information and the like. Its obviously your conclussions and your work, but we do know others helped. Giving a credits section shows DarkStar just how universal an effort it was and that he is not greatly appreciated.

Howedar · Post by **Howedar** » 2003-01-08 08:16pm

It is rather unlikely that the front of the nacelles are considered "foreward shields" because, IIRC, the bussard area is masked by the saucer.

Stravo · Post by **Stravo** » 2003-01-08 08:18pm

Alyeska wrote:Just a suggestion Master of Ossus. You might want to list a credits page for all the people who helped you with technical information and the like. Its obviously your conclussions and your work, but we do know others helped. Giving a credits section shows DarkStar just how universal an effort it was and that he is not greatly appreciated.

EXCELLENT idea, Alyeska, I second the motion. It will be alot harder for him to claim a rabid warsie jihad if there's a list of Trekkers and Warsies credited with helping you

Anarchist Bunny · Post by **Anarchist Bunny** » 2003-01-08 08:20pm

I probly would have gone with a higher up ranking vote, bu I couldn't passe up the simpsons quote.

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2003-01-08 08:22pm

Alyeska wrote:Just a suggestion Master of Ossus. You might want to list a credits page for all the people who helped you with technical information and the like. Its obviously your conclussions and your work, but we do know others helped. Giving a credits section shows DarkStar just how universal an effort it was and that he is not greatly appreciated.

Actually, with the exception of Mike's edits, I didn't need a lot of technical help. It was available to me if I had needed it, but pretty much what you see is what I wrote. You helped with general Trek info, Gil helped with the Scimitar page, and Wayne and Mike and Darkling made a few suggestions, but that's pretty much my work, and I think I accredited the people who made significant contributions to the technical things, too. The point was kind of to do it by myself, but it was pretty clear that Anderson is universally despised by people of all allegiances, so I didn't bother with Coalition-building or anything like that. I kind of figured that if he doesn't get it by now, he never will.

Alyeska · Post by **Alyeska** » 2003-01-08 08:24pm

Master of Ossus wrote:
Alyeska wrote:Just a suggestion Master of Ossus. You might want to list a credits page for all the people who helped you with technical information and the like. Its obviously your conclussions and your work, but we do know others helped. Giving a credits section shows DarkStar just how universal an effort it was and that he is not greatly appreciated.
Actually, with the exception of Mike's edits, I didn't need a lot of technical help. It was available to me if I had needed it, but pretty much what you see is what I wrote. You helped with general Trek info, Gil helped with the Scimitar page, and Wayne and Mike and Darkling made a few suggestions, but that's pretty much my work, and I think I accredited the people who made significant contributions to the technical things, too. The point was kind of to do it by myself, but it was pretty clear that Anderson is universally despised by people of all allegiances, so I didn't bother with Coalition-building or anything like that. I kind of figured that if he doesn't get it by now, he never will.

Good point. Anyway, some of us are vain enough we like to see our names credited nonetheless.

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2003-01-08 08:30pm

Alyeska wrote:Good point. Anyway, some of us are vain enough we like to see our names credited nonetheless.

Heh, I know I made quite a few posts in the :Warp Turning" thread...

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2003-01-09 12:16am

Can I get volunteers to run the link to the rebuttal over to both SB.com and ASVS, please? I'd like to get their reactions to it, as well. Thanks.

Alyeska · Post by **Alyeska** » 2003-01-09 12:34am

Master of Ossus wrote:Can I get volunteers to run the link to the rebuttal over to both SB.com and ASVS, please? I'd like to get their reactions to it, as well. Thanks.

Done.

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2003-01-09 12:35am

Alyeska wrote:
Master of Ossus wrote:Can I get volunteers to run the link to the rebuttal over to both SB.com and ASVS, please? I'd like to get their reactions to it, as well. Thanks.
Done.

Thank you, Alyeska. As always, your aid is appreciated.

Alyeska · Post by **Alyeska** » 2003-01-09 12:36am

http://kier.3dfrontier.com/forums/showt ... adid=42688

For those interested.

Post by **Ghost Rider** » 2003-01-09 12:49am

Are you hoping for some honest critisim Alyeska or do you believe they'll scream foul?

I wonder, mostly just to get an idea of how bad people consider Darkstar.

Ender · Post by **Ender** » 2003-01-09 12:51am

Ghost Rider wrote:Are you hoping for some honest critisim Alyeska or do you believe they'll scream foul?

I wonder, mostly just to get an idea of how bad people consider Darkstar.

Educated Guess: Wing Zero and a few others will slam Ossus, a lot will slam DS, and most won't give it any attention.

Post by **Ghost Rider** » 2003-01-09 12:56am

Okay...

Well still very nicely done MoO(done with it and liked how you did dig at a great many points of his, and broek them down so neat and cleanly)

Also would like to thank those who helped you to compile this, because it's nice to see such a group destroy that odd...abomination.

Kamakazie Sith · Post by **Kamakazie Sith** » 2003-01-09 12:58am

Darth Servo wrote:
Kamakazie Sith wrote:
Master of Ossus wrote: Basically, the Wall of Ignorance cannot be destroyed by any craft we here possess. It was made in DarkStar's twisted mind, and only there can it be un-made.
Then we will need seven companions to go on a quest, into the very fires of Darkstars mind....but be warned there is evil there that does not sleep.
Ugh. I think I'd rather watch Janeway porn.

Your a sick sick man.......

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2003-01-09 01:00am

Kamakazie Sith wrote:
Darth Servo wrote:
Kamakazie Sith wrote:Then we will need seven companions to go on a quest, into the very fires of Darkstars mind....but be warned there is evil there that does not sleep.
Ugh. I think I'd rather watch Janeway porn.
Your a sick sick man.......

Holy shit. Kamakazie Sith and I agree on something. Next thing you know, DarkStar may admit defeat on some subject. [crosses fingers]

Alan Bolte · Post by **Alan Bolte** » 2003-01-09 01:04am

I own a t-shirt that says, "It's just a flesh wound!" In large, bloody letters, has a picture of the Black Knight, and below that says in smaller print, "Come back here and I'll bite your kneecaps off!"

When is RSA's birthday?