Superman vs. Darth Vader...

THEHOOLIGANJEDI · Post by **THEHOOLIGANJEDI** » 2003-01-08 05:33pm

Durandal wrote:
AWACS wrote:
xiophen wrote:As for weaknesses I would see how well the force could be manipulated in a magical way supes big weakness has been his inability to stop the nastier magic attacks that arnt defined by natural physics.
And this is a problem for him why? I mean it's not as if supes can be "defined by normal physics".

ALL matter within the inner blast radius of a nuke (aka right there by the nuke when it goes off) is reduced to its constituent atoms... unless it's Superman's body!

The Superman writers make B+B look like literary geniuses.
You forgot that his spandex was left completely intact after being exposed to the intense gamma rays and heat of a nuclear explosion, but for some reason, Doomsday can tear it by punching him.

Superman has an extension to his invulnerability (aura) that surrounds his body and protects his suit, except his cape. Doomsday wore him down including his invulnerability later in the battle, that's how his costume rips from Doomsday power and not a Nuke Blast.

Yogi · Post by **Yogi** » 2003-01-08 05:36pm

I will now introduce a tactic that has been subbed the "speed blitz".

Superman can fight and react at .99 the speed of light when in the atmosphere of the planet. .99 times the speed of light around 294,000,000 meters per second. Assuming a peak human can cover 3 meters per second, that makes Superman 98,000,000 times faster than a peak human.

How much faster is Darth Vader than a peak human? I'm going to be generous and say 100 times faster.

How long does it take for a neuron to fire? Around 1*10^(-3) seconds. Since Darth Vader is 100 times faster than a human, it will only take 1*10^(-5) seconds for him.

How long does it take to throw a punch? Let's say two seconds. Since Superman is 98,000,000 times faster than human, it will only take him 1.04*10^(-8) seconds for him to throw a punch.

Conclusion? Superman can throw 490 punches before the first neuron in Darth Vader's brain has even finished firing.

Ouch.

OUCH.

Darth Vader = Screwed.

THEHOOLIGANJEDI · Post by **THEHOOLIGANJEDI** » 2003-01-08 05:38pm

If Vader can use Force Lightining. Then Superman is screwed. Remember Force Lightining Drains a beings life force and electrocutes them. Since Supes is vulnerable to magic. It's safe to assume that Force Lightining can bi-pass Superman's invulnerability and can hurt him. I not proclaiming that Vader can use Force Lightining, but what could happen if he could.

Yogi · Post by **Yogi** » 2003-01-08 05:38pm

CORRECTION.

The time it takes Superma to throw a punch is 2.04*10^(-8) seconds.

BTW, I'm not a Superman fan. However, by all rights he SHOULD win.

THEHOOLIGANJEDI · Post by **THEHOOLIGANJEDI** » 2003-01-08 05:43pm

Durandal wrote:
Sir Sirius wrote:I doubt that Vader can slam Superman around with TK and even if he can the only result will be holes in the buildings + Vader wouls still have to deal with the heat vision.

How would Vader decapitate Superman? The guy can survive nuclear explosions, the sabre won't do it.
Which is why I said that it would take an extended period of time. Doomsday showed that Superman can be pummeled to death, and that he bleeds just like everyone else.

As for the lightsaber doing damage, it would at least set his spandex on fire, given that it can melt durasteel in a fairly speedy manner.

Refer to my explanation about Superman's invulnerabilty. But I think a lightsaber could possibly do more, it can cut through almost anything and Superman isn't omniinvulnerable. At his normal power levels he has been hurt in that way.

Durandal · Post by **Durandal** » 2003-01-08 06:36pm

At best, you can claim that Superman has some sort of personal shield. If it was an "invulnerability field," he'd be completely impervious to any and all harm. Doomsday proves that this is not the case.

Darth_Nader · Post by **Darth_Nader** » 2003-01-08 07:50pm

all Darth Vader would have to do is drain the life essence from Superman, or use a force storm to screw with him, end of story.

SPOOFE · Post by **SPOOFE** » 2003-01-08 08:01pm

ALL matter within the inner blast radius of a nuke (aka right there by the nuke when it goes off) is reduced to its constituent atoms

A nuclear bomb isn't some magical atom-destroying device. It's just a really big explosion.

There's a video clip that NASA (I believe) has, taken during a test to see if nukes could be used for propulsion in space (back in the 50s, before Apollo, Gemini, etc.). It involved a vehicle with a really big, thick plate covering the "propulsion nuke". Now, this isn't like a manhole cover or anything... picture something twenty feet wide and six feet thick. But the plate wasn't properly attached to the vehicle... when the nuke went off, the plate was flung through the vehicle and up, up, up into the air.

An analysis at the time indicated that, if there had been no air resistance, that plate would have achieved escape velocity.

But it wasn't rendered into its constituent atoms.

Yogi · Post by **Yogi** » 2003-01-08 08:53pm

Darth_Nader wrote:all Darth Vader would have to do is drain the life essence from Superman, or use a force storm to screw with him, end of story.

Did you read my post? Vader has to consciously do all those things. That involves the neurons firing. At 100 times human speed,he would die before his neurons get the chance to fire.

Darth_Shinji · Post by **Darth_Shinji** » 2003-01-08 08:53pm

What possesed you to do this? I really don't like Supes..... but even modern day is moving planets and stuff. Why not do a more even match like Goku versus Supes? This is the same thing as putting a marine against Spiderman. A marine might be badass and good at his job.... but he isn't in Spidermans class. Same here.

jodathalas · Post by **jodathalas** » 2003-01-08 09:07pm

I hate superman. Batman would totally kick his ass. I should say AGAIN! Darth would own that pansy like his bitch.

lgot · Post by **lgot** » 2003-01-08 09:52pm

Men, Superman and Batman are THE SUPERHEROES. Superman can kick batman ass a thousand times as well. The bad thing about those writers is that Batman defeated Superman by Frank Miller , in a total kickass history (where Batman let clear that was the first time a mortal defeated him) and everyone come that Batman will always defeat him, like if Superman is some short of morom that will always fall victim of Batman's tricks. Unlikely.
I suggest people read Kingdom Come to understand that Super means as Much a Batman. One can be only cool because of the other.
And Superman breathe because he needs oxygen to live. He have lungs after all. Those days he may not do what he did in the movies (and boring are the writers, not him) but he still able to defeat Vader, mainly because Vader mental powers are not even the best possible in the Marvel/DC worlds (Xavier would defeat both twice). The problem is simple, Marvel/DC level of powers are too much for anything...

jodathalas · Post by **jodathalas** » 2003-01-08 09:58pm

Superman can kick batman ass a thousand times

Batman has already beat the shit out of superman.

Post by **weemadando** » 2003-01-08 10:03pm

Vympel wrote: So ... why the hell do people like Superman exactly? Why don't I just create my own character who has no weaknesses and blink out entire galaxies by clicking his fingers- maybe I'll get a cult comic following with that one too.

Actually if you made that character an angsty, skittish teen who has the powers, but doesn't realise/want them...

And then you have a cult comic. I can just imagine his walking along listening to his walkman clicking his fingers as galaxy after galaxy implodes.

thecreech · Post by **thecreech** » 2003-01-08 10:10pm

Who says that superman in immune to the force choke. I believe that IF it worked that it would be all over for sups

lgot · Post by **lgot** » 2003-01-08 10:25pm

Batman has already beat the shit out of superman.

I believe you was unable to read what I posted...
And Superman have defeated batman as well. Or you can not believe that a super-fast, super-stronger, invulnerable, flying dude cannt do it ?

Post by **Ghost Rider** » 2003-01-08 10:55pm

The only problem is how would one define the Force?

Is it indeed mystical or something different?

That would be the determining factor, given that all Vader would have to do is surround himself with it, and Superman cannot touch him directly, and the Force Choke would indeed kill him(reference Man of Stell Year one Annual for how truly vulnerable Superman is to magic and things of magical nature).

If it's just application of Physical nature with no persay mystical connection, Vader is hard pressed.

Also yeah the current writers ignore the breathing when it suits him/them, but it's still there.

Post by **Ghost Rider** » 2003-01-08 10:56pm

And Batman defeats Superman 95% of the times because Superman overestimates his powers and underestimates how he can be lead through hoops by someone cunning enough.

Lex has been leading him by the nose for years since Crisis.

lgot · Post by **lgot** » 2003-01-08 11:07pm

That is odd. It is clear the Force is not mystic, but Psionic power. And Batman does no defeat Superman 95% of time. Actually if you check it well, all time, Superman have probally defeated Batman more. Just for one reason, that When Batman Defeated SH in the Dark Knight comics people started to make up that "Batman, with a plan will defeat SH. Then he always have a plan and Superman always fail for it". Before it this relation was never true

Post by **Ghost Rider** » 2003-01-08 11:11pm

Okay...JLA Batman has defeat Supes once(Ra's Al Ghul planning), he has done it in Superman Detective comics again(over Kryptonite ring), and he has so far did it about twice in former JLA books(JLI series)

So far since 1985 Batman's track record in beating Supes in conflict is near sparkling...not counting the times to which he's defeated Supes by either sneaking up or getting there before him.

Batman has handed Supes his ass on multiple occasions.

On raw Power he'll never defeat Superman...but then again so what?

No is debating that outlandish point.

lgot · Post by **lgot** » 2003-01-08 11:30pm

Hah
Superman is one of the smartest heroes ever. And try to expand your research and see if you include the momemnts Batman could not defeat him as well.

NeoGoomba · Post by **NeoGoomba** » 2003-01-08 11:32pm

It's not that Superman is especially vulnerable to magic and psionics. He's just as vulnerable as anyone else. And I've heard that he's learned some psionic defenses lately.

Off topic, but in Dark Knight Returns, what kind of suit was Batman wearing as he pummelled the hell out of Superman? It's been awhile since I read it, but I do remember Batman wearing some funky gauntlets.

Perhaps a better vs. would be Superman vs. Exar Kun?

DPDarkPrimus · Post by **DPDarkPrimus** » 2003-01-08 11:32pm

lgot wrote:Hah
Superman is one of the smartest heroes ever. And try to expand your research and see if you include the momemnts Batman could not defeat him as well.

Superman, smart? With as many powers as he has, he doesn't have to be. Some of his writers just like to make their job worth the pay they get.

Post by **Ghost Rider** » 2003-01-08 11:33pm

Okay explain JLA:The Tower of Babel saga(Mark Waid's first run...issues #51-55) before you go "You don't know shit!!!"

Superman, got his ass handed to him.

HARD, by one of literally Bats weapon against him, delviered literally in the same way.

No maybe if and or butts...and oh by the way...tell me of the great time Superman has beaten Bats?

Post by **Ghost Rider** » 2003-01-08 11:34pm

In DKR...Batman basically wore Superman down after he intercepted two nukes...and then used a Kryptonite arrow.

In DKSB...he used K-gauntlets.