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So annoying for me iTunes STILL HASENT GOT THE LATEST EPISODE fight flight. I don't get the channel that it is on so stupid iTunes

Tychu wrote:Just a question. Are you Brits getting the episodes a few days before us Americans? The last episode to air here was the "Mission to get Fruit". There hasn't been an Inquisitor lightsaber battle yet. The episodes air on Mondays here btw.

They go up on WatchDisneyXD.com early, which is how I've been seeing them as a US resident.

NecronLord wrote:Perhaps it would be prudent now to spoiler things until the Friday regular broadcast of each episode has gone out, I'll do that going forward.

Air time here is for Mondays, not Fridays.

Speaking of, it just aired.

How the fuck does the Inquisitor's lightsaber even work?

I'm betting he was an engineer or mechanic before the Empire recruited him.

NecronLord wrote:I'm betting he was an engineer or mechanic before the Empire recruited him.

maybe that or maybe he was ententertainer or something like that there's a lot theatericality in his weapon and fightstyle, as I said before it seems he's kind of operative you'd sent against a "lesser" Jedi, where the flash of the Inquisitor's fighting style can overwhelm the inexperienced opponent, but against an experienced fighter it would be less of an advantage cause the experienced fighter could see past the literal lightshow and not be intimidated.

The Inquisitor's fighting is based on fencing, which for its sporting limitations, is still a form of real sword combat.

Prequel lightsaber fighting is based on tennis.

The sword-master of the order (at least in the old novel of RotS) spent part of his climatic battle in RotS not actually engaging the enemy, as did Anakin.



This gif is an egregious example, and obviously only a small part of the fight, but it is emblematic of just how bizzare prequel sword-fighting is.

By real sword-fighting standards, the Inquisitor is more aggressive and capable, every motion he makes until he switches the thing to twirl mode, is a strike, not a flourish. If Obi Wan or Anakin did that against the Inquisitor, twirling their swords actually behind their bodies, he'd have an open target anywhere from crown to groin, and would probably run them through.

Prequel sword-fighting is all flash (except when Dooku does it, in fact), Original Trilogy sword fighting, which they're seemingly basing this on, is far more professional.

yeah I was comparing to the orginal trilogy not the prequals as the prequals get rather silly at times.

Ah, carry on, yes, he's quite flashy there, but then, I really enjoyed his Errol Flynn impression.

Dooku had the advantage in that Christopher Lee is a trained fencer, IIRC. And somehow I doubt that Nick Gillis or whomever came up with the PT's fight choreography really had the gumption to say boo to Christopher bloody Lee...

while the PT Lightsabre styles look silly on duels between 2 people using lightsabres, it's sort of justifible when you remember that storywise that at time of Episode 1 is set the typical enemy a Jedi would face would a criminal with no knowlage on how lightsabres work and to whom Jedi themselves are semi-mythical, so a fancy light show while not practical in sabre vs sabre fight would good in making a criminal think twice about fighting you and you'll be able resolve the conflict without the use of force (pun intended).

The twirling showman style the Jedi appear to favor during the PT seems based on the fact they were mostly fighting enemies using blasters.

All that twirling covers alot of their bodies.

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About the Inquisitor:

Could it be that instead of trying to kill Kanan and Ezra, he tried to herd them?

The trick with the dead Luminara would only work as long as someone is willing to take a huge risk.

But letting this one guy go, and following him to his hideout and possible contacts... might net you alot more targets, if he is trying to warn others about the trap.

So the Empire takes in teenage cadets for indoctrination and training as stromtroopers. I might be reading into this a bit too much, but "you entered this facility as children, but in a few short weeks you will leave as soldiers". What?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WTg_vuJ ... yElQaFDp5Q

Not very surprising. Sadly, lots of militaries have recruited teenagers. It might even make more sense in Star Wars, where physical strength may be less important in a soldier due to advanced technology and a teenager can be a head of state.

Not having seen the episode-- are they coming out of the academy at the same age/size they were before, or are they accelerated somehow? Or does it not show that part of things?

Because I can see them using some variation on the technology used to grow clones more quickly to do the same to bog-standard stormtrooper cadets. That would be useful.

I suspect it's quite possibly propagandistic hyperbole, though.

NecronLord wrote:This gif is an egregious example, and obviously only a small part of the fight, but it is emblematic of just how bizzare prequel sword-fighting is.

But that's the point - fight between two Jedi Masters who each react to each other before the attack was even made would look strange to someone who is used to fights based on reflex alone. The blades wouldn't be connecting because by the time your blade is halfway in the other would move to dodge and exploit opening of your own attack, repeat until one side gains the upper hand. It makes far more sense than any "realistic" style ever would.

The whole thing is also stupid because they send fucking clown against people who A) train fighting in blindfolds and B) if they survived Order 66 they are not going to be pushovers. Whatever happened to Your eyes can deceive you; Don't trust them?

Vance wrote:So the Empire takes in teenage cadets for indoctrination and training as stromtroopers. I might be reading into this a bit too much, but "you entered this facility as children, but in a few short weeks you will leave as soldiers". What?

Anyone remembers COMPNOR? That is, people who would be willing to actually do that? Instead of Stormtrooper instructors who by the canon train carefully selected adults to be elite troops, not walking jokes...?

Yeah, me neither, who cares about such stupid thing as continuity or consistency when you can make cheap 'take that' anti-Empire joke?

Elheru Aran wrote:I suspect it's quite possibly propagandistic hyperbole, though.

Yeah. We'll have to wait for the episode to air, of course, but for all we know this is Lothal's equivalent to something like the Naval Academy Prep School or the US Military Academy's "Beast Barracks". Something done to essentially prepare them to move on to the Sector Academy, or Carida, wherever it is they go.

Or they will be given armor and sent out. Who can say at this point? I mean I doubt it, but you never know. Maybe in the SWG the age of majority is that much lower than it is here. After all, Amidala was a head of state around this age, and Jedi Padawans could be sent into dangerous action - even war - as well.

RogueIce wrote:Maybe in the SWG the age of majority is that much lower than it is here. After all, Amidala was a head of state around this age, and Jedi Padawans could be sent into dangerous action - even war - as well.

Wasn't Amidala pretty much ceremonial? And under regency? All she does in TPM is dancing on the string of pretty much everyone. As for padawans, they were supposed to see the Galaxy protected by biggest badasses Republic had to offer, it's just the Jedi had manpower shortages and at the same time often did not live up to hype. It's not like they made kids frontline fighters or anything. Also, Luke certainly didn't feel like adult in the beginning of ANH.

Man, the wheel lightsaber feels so dumb. All you need to beat it is to poke/shot unprotected centre and you get 2-for-1 bonus, his hand in deal as well. He literally can't even parry with it lest he risks impaling himself. And people said Maul's design was bad...

Queen Amidala had enough authority to lead a military campaign, negotiate with the Gungans, and sign a treaty for the Trade Federation if they caught her. Also, Episode II showed the Queen had the authority to appoint Naboo's senator. I don't recall any mention of a regency.

Irbis wrote:if they survived Order 66 they are not going to be pushovers.

Or they got lucky and were nowhere near any Clone Troopers when Order 66 went out. Surviving long term after that isn't a matter of how well those Jedi fight. Instead, it's a matter of how well those Jedi can hide.

considering that so far we've seen only stormtroopers that are "adult" height I suspect this academy gives basic training before shipping the students off to somewhere else to get specialization training, also "few weeks" seem rather short time if you want anything other then moving targets.

Irbis wrote:

RogueIce wrote:Maybe in the SWG the age of majority is that much lower than it is here. After all, Amidala was a head of state around this age, and Jedi Padawans could be sent into dangerous action - even war - as well.

Wasn't Amidala pretty much ceremonial? And under regency? All she does in TPM is dancing on the string of pretty much everyone. As for padawans, they were supposed to see the Galaxy protected by biggest badasses Republic had to offer, it's just the Jedi had manpower shortages and at the same time often did not live up to hype. It's not like they made kids frontline fighters or anything. Also, Luke certainly didn't feel like adult in the beginning of ANH.

She was elected to be Queen at the age of 14 (or thereabouts) and as TRR says, there's nothing to indicate she was any less than a full Head of State, even getting to address the Galactic Senate and initiate a vote of no confidence in the Supreme Chancellor.

And no I don't know why they'd elect a Queen, but my best guess is it's basically similar to President but they call it Queen for historical reasons and who knows if they allow men to run or not.

As far as Padawans not being sent to the front lines, Ahsoka sure seemed to be in the thick of things a lot. Arguably Barriss Offee as well, but her age wasn't as clear even though she did seem to be very much a peer to Ahsoka, but that could just be due to their Padawan status rather than being similar in age.

Maybe this episode will put out some explanation for stormtroopers being impossibly bad shots elsewhere in the cartoon.

RogueIce wrote:

Irbis wrote:

RogueIce wrote:Maybe in the SWG the age of majority is that much lower than it is here. After all, Amidala was a head of state around this age, and Jedi Padawans could be sent into dangerous action - even war - as well.

Wasn't Amidala pretty much ceremonial? And under regency? All she does in TPM is dancing on the string of pretty much everyone. As for padawans, they were supposed to see the Galaxy protected by biggest badasses Republic had to offer, it's just the Jedi had manpower shortages and at the same time often did not live up to hype. It's not like they made kids frontline fighters or anything. Also, Luke certainly didn't feel like adult in the beginning of ANH.

And no I don't know why they'd elect a Queen, but my best guess is it's basically similar to President but they call it Queen for historical reasons and who knows if they allow men to run or not.

Men were in fact allowed to run. The monarch prior to Queen Amidala was actually King Veruna, who abdicated the throne after allegations of political corruption.

bilateralrope wrote:

Irbis wrote:if they survived Order 66 they are not going to be pushovers.

Or they got lucky and were nowhere near any Clone Troopers when Order 66 went out. Surviving long term after that isn't a matter of how well those Jedi fight. Instead, it's a matter of how well those Jedi can hide.

According to the now defunct CU, didn't quite a few Jedi decline to fight and lead clone troops and not quite leave the Order, but kinda just went off doing other Jediy things.
I always took everything as Vader having to hunt down and kill the last of the Jedi because even one left was a threat to Palpatine, not because he was a Jedi, but because they may decide that what it meant to be a Jedi needed to change, like the Sith had, and that was what Palpatine was worried about. And also that there were enough of them to be hunted to warrant all of Vader's injuries by the time of ROTJ.

bilateralrope wrote:

Irbis wrote:if they survived Order 66 they are not going to be pushovers.

Or they got lucky and were nowhere near any Clone Troopers when Order 66 went out. Surviving long term after that isn't a matter of how well those Jedi fight. Instead, it's a matter of how well those Jedi can hide.

This is conceivable. Alternatively, as a Padawan Kanan was probably around his Master, who may have sacrificed himself and bought enough time for Kanan to escape (Ki-Adi-Mundi managed to deflect a couple of bolts and Aayla Secura noticed her troops turn on her, though not fast enough to ignite her lightsaber and defend herself; so the Clones didn't manage complete surprise against the Jedi).

Or he could be a luckier version of that kid who Bail saw gunned down at the Temple; he was in a large facility somewhere with multiple Jedi and managed to escape in the confusion. There were Jedi fighting back in the Temple so presumably similar scenes might have played out aboard Jedi Cruisers, space stations, garrisons, etc.

Or, as you said, in some part of the galaxy where there weren't a lot of Clones in the immediate area, or even any at all.

I don't know if A New Dawn actually went into the specifics of Kanan's survival. But you didn't have to be a badass to survive, like Yoda. Lucky would work just as well...like Obi-Wan.

Havok wrote:According to the now defunct CU, didn't quite a few Jedi decline to fight and lead clone troops and not quite leave the Order, but kinda just went off doing other Jediy things.

They had the Lost 20 (of which Dooku was a part) which might still be Canon-ish (IIRC it was based off statues seen around the Temple in the films, so that part at least stayed) which was essentially that. Also stuff like the Agricultural Corps and other non-Knight positions; Jedi Order members who did noncombat stuff and so probably wouldn't have been around any Clones when Order 66 was executed.

I have no idea if the EU specified any of that stuff about Vader's injuries or Palpatine's motivations.