Does Trek has *any* advantage over Wars?

[Ted C]

Look carefully at those quotes in order to see what a moron he is. The physicsweb.org quote says it's a "naive estimate" which produced obviously erroneous predictions; that is a physicist's diplomatic talk for "completely wrong". Then he cites Popular Science, which in turn says "it has been said", even though the fact that something has "been said" hardly makes it correct. High estimates of ZPE have been completely disproven, and he is cherry-picking quotes from science websites in order to support his ridiculous figures.

Not to mention the fact that ZPE is only mentioned in the DS9 TM, which also says they're only twice as powerful as the torps which would have required hundreds of hits to destroy a 5km wide asteroid in "Pegasus".

Yes, he's got the classic syndrome of trying to prove his points with quotes that say the opposite of what he claims.

BTW, any special plans for your upcoming 10,000th post, Mike?

[Kerneth]

And I am not this lugi bloke...
I may have bad spelling, my arguements may have holes in them but that dosn't mean I'm just the smae as everyone else who comes here with bad arugements, and spelling.
There's no need to get worked up, if someone trys to prove something, and there wrong, then tell them point out why, don't post abuse at them, that just shows, flaws in your own charters.

Admiral

Your spelling is atrocious and your arguments are bullshit. How does that mean you're not just the same as everyone else who comes in here with bad arguments and spelling?

We've told you why you're wrong and pointed out how and you're still spouting the same bullshit. After a certain point tempers get frayed.

Please, do us all a favor and shut the hell up. Never post here again. I could drink a case of beer and dump a pound of crack cocaine in my bloodstream and lose fewer brain cells than I kill trying to puzzle out what you're attempting to say and whether there's any logic behind it.

[Darth Servo]

Because I fine it so much easyer to just paste the whole post...

See that little button in the top left corner of each post marked "quote"? Click on it for the post you wish to respond to and see what happens.

[T-1000]

Firepower... FTL speed... Industrial capacity... Military tactic... Size and scope... SW wipes the floor with ST all the way to Sunday.

So, is there a single thing in Star Trek that better than Star Wars? How about medical tech? Consumer goods? Uniform look? Anything?

Technobable?

[Ender]

1)OVERSIGHT, he loked up 8 of his best cmmanders in a station because?

Dead wrong. 3 were on board, 1 was controlling the battle the other 2 advising. One of them made it to an ISD where he proceeded to hold off the rest of the entire rebel fleet for hours until they ion cannoned his ship.

2)One man, More like the entire death star crew, even though they new there was a weekness.

Have you seen the fucking movie? They didnt know until the attack began. Chief Bast told Tarking they discovered it then.

3)R2 has hacked more than that, read the books man...

I have. He can't hack everything.

4)But not concussion missles, as has happned many times.

After the shields have been knocked down or ducked under.

5)And it lost them a planet.

It did not. Had Palpatine not dies they would not have attacked and Thrawn was wiping the floor with them. Read the fucking books.

6) Why not warm up on a ood target, as opposed to a peace loving world with no reason?

It is getting very clear that you have never even watched the fucking movies.

7) Have you ever heard of peace treatys...

Yes. And all of them involved Imperials still patrolling and taxing the space IE Hapes.

Did you heere how small the rebels used to be?

There was atleast one cell one every planet as of the ROTJ novel. So no, they weren't small. But the Force was still the deciding factor.

9) But what happened to all the captain ect? Humm?

Jesus fucking christ. You do realize that the captain of every US naval vessel are still suppordinate to the president and joint chiefs, right?

10) So why didn't they make X-wings, which kick ties?

Incom didn't fucking defect, it was nationalized. And it's because Ties are faster and cheaper.

Lets see what other people think shall we?
Admiral

You're getting it
Ender

[Ender]

1) Proof: the star wars cronogly book, I have a copy in my room.

It would help if you read it.

2) But they knew there was a weekness...

Not until the battle. Chief Bast comes up to Tarking and says they have analyzed the attack patterns and found a weakness. Earlier the commanders are saying that the rebels might find one, not that there is one. They didn't fucking know.

3) I direct yo to the page above...
4) again to my prevoius post.
5) yet again...

Ditto

6)and where did those MON-CAL starcrusers come from?

Built largely POST Yavin

7)and lost it.

After a 19 year war

So the entire empire couldn't kill one jedi farm boy.. Hence stupid?

Are you retarded? That's a serious question, I'm not going to get as mean if you are and your posts will make far more sense.

9) But e easyly infulenced and blackmailed them...

15 years later when he was the only thing still holding the empire together you imbecile.

10) It says somehere (Admitly poor, I shall post it when I find the srcore i think its the untilmate guide to weapons and vericals.

It's in EGVV that it was nationalized you moron.

Better?

Admiral

No

Ender

As for the post about Thrawn, My typeing skills need some work...

And thinking, and reading, and logical analysis...

[Ender]

For this, I direct all but point 6 to my other replys...
^) Backup bridge? What happen to the excutor?
So much for a back up bridge...

Admiral

So because they didn't transfer over engineering controls in time and the EOW followed SOP of running the engines full (not his fault he didn't know the DS was in front of them) there is no backup bridge?

[Ender]

And for 88's...
1), Hence stupid, 2) Hence stupid, of the rules or the empire do thins like that... And you are to scared to point it out, that proves my point.

No it doesn't.

3) No r2! Haced things, like the WAYLAND comps... You know GA Thrawns most inportant base, in how long? 10 seconds?

Systems and security codes that haven't been updated since a good 20 years prior were easily cracked, imagine that.

4) I know ST bridges are stupid... That isn't what my post is about...

Nope, it's about you showing you don't have a fucking clue what you are talking about.

5) But if instad of makeing a deal they attacked the ssi-ruuk

Which they fucking did.

6) MOn_CAl is a infuential core world...

No, Mon Cla is a minor Outer rim world you ignoramous.

7) Ie, when you lose... Give up?

So since the United states signed peace treaties with Germany and Japan, we lost WW2? You just don't use your brain, do you?

But not as big as the imprail navy.. Just assult there ship yards like mon cal...

Shipyards they either can't find or are to heavily guarded to be worth a frontal assault?

9) But prevoius captains, get promted to admirals... and have to promet Pelleaon...and have more exprience...

... You clearly do not know what you are talking about. Go get a copy of the latest EG to Characters, read, then come back and conceed.

10) Contracts? this is war... You know you ditch the contract and steal he better fighter?

For their purposes the TIE is the better fighter. It's called cost effectiveness.

[Ender]

Wild Karrde...
It didn't need to regain control...
It need not to fly all the way over the the death star and ram it...
remeber the fleet was round endor move, and the waited in MG-7.
So how the the exutor got over and crahed before someone could you know...

*sigh*

Admiral

I can't tell if this is more of your attriocious sentance structure or your rampant stupidity. The executor was right outside the Death Star, not on the other side of the Endor Moon. You could see it through the Emperor's windos for fucks sake.

[Ender]

I seem to remeber in the one other case where the bridge feel, on admiral trigits flahsgip, see wraith squardren...

They were fucking ambushed.

It took them about *srugs* 10 fucking scends mabey. You would think the flagship of the entire inprial navy would have quicker responces...
As for the actions of the empire as a whole...

You can't just directly shift control over with anything. There is a certain order in which things must be done, saftely lists to go down, and everything else. Anyone in the military can tell you that.

This is the emporer and Grand moff tarkin here, they MADE the empire, or at least te emporer did, and Tarkin was one of its most powerful figures.
You get in power by have more sence than the person who was in power last, so if thats the hight of inprial intellegence - Thrawn. Case in point.

Was there anything else?
Admiral Jackass.

So being smart makes you infallable? Lovely reasoning jackhole.

[Ender]

But you don't need to do any of that, the are crew allready on the secondary bridge. It would be hard to miss the bridge going down, and you don't need to stop its foward momentum. Unless when the bridge is blows up the ships computer system decides to ram the death star. You would think it would be parked in space, as opposed to allready ramming them. When bridge stoped responding, sseondary bridge becomes primary, and thats it. As opposed the bridge goes down, Ship suddly goes at full power into death star II...
See?

Admiral

Standard operating procedure on any united states naval ship is, should bridge command be lost, the Engineering officer of the Watch is to run the engines at full speed, balls to the wall to get out of there until command and Control reestablishes control. This is especially true of the bigger craft such as an aircraft carrier; you don't sit and shoot at the thing when you have 90,000 tons bearing down on you at full speed. The idea is to live to fight another day, or to get back into the fight soon.

That is EXACTLY what happened. Bridge went boom, so the EOW kicked on those 2000 G engines to get the hell out of there. Problem is that the Executor had previously manuvered to the point where it was facing the DS. He didn't know that, and thus accidently doomed the ship while the Backup bridge was starting up.

[Ender]

The scean on the SSD backup bridge before it crashes...

"Captain the bridge has been distroyed!"
"hold on, I have a checklist here, wait a sec, ok..."
"Captain where going to crash!"
"Do we, have any... Um.. Hydrospanners here, it says something sbout the primary flux cupling..."
"Look out!"

Somehow I think the designers of the backup brige mught of deginged it to take over quicky that is after al what it was bulit for...

Admiral

Jesus you don't have a clue do you? Yes, things are designed to be fast. They are also designed to be safe, and effective. This is true for modern vessels, it follows though to the silver screen. Certain things will need to brought on line before others, for reasons varying from whihc is the biggest power drain, to saftey concerns to being critical in the fight. THAT is what Mike ment when he referred to a checklist.

[Ender]

Other than the scean on the inplaceable, which was over a moon and lost its bridge and failed to crash till after its powercells went out.
Not really, I'm looking for something a half remeber which states what happens, but util i find that I'm afiad I stand with out proof, and as such have at best a wobbly arugement.

Admiral

Trigets ship also had it's engines disables and was being held aloft by repulsor lifts. THis situation is nothing similar to what happened to the Executor.

[Lord Poe]

Not to mention the fact that ZPE is only mentioned in the DS9 TM, which also says they're only twice as powerful as the torps which would have required hundreds of hits to destroy a 5km wide asteroid in "Pegasus".

Not to mention the fact that FOUR quantum torps can't completely destroy a Borg sphere, as an upcoming Enterprise episode proves.

[Kerneth]

The scean on the SSD backup bridge before it crashes...

"Captain the bridge has been distroyed!"
"hold on, I have a checklist here, wait a sec, ok..."
"Captain where going to crash!"
"Do we, have any... Um.. Hydrospanners here, it says something sbout the primary flux cupling..."
"Look out!"

Somehow I think the designers of the backup brige mught of deginged it to take over quicky that is after al what it was bulit for...

Admiral

Jesus you don't have a clue do you? Yes, things are designed to be fast. They are also designed to be safe, and effective. This is true for modern vessels, it follows though to the silver screen. Certain things will need to brought on line before others, for reasons varying from whihc is the biggest power drain, to saftey concerns to being critical in the fight. THAT is what Mike ment when he referred to a checklist.

He's a rabid, hardcore, slavering Trekkie. After seeing the Enterprise-D he can't wrap his mind around the notion of a ship being fast AND safe and effective.

[Slartibartfast]

don't post abuse at them, that just shows, flaws in your own charters.

No it doesn't.

[Slartibartfast]

Here's my impersonation of spaceluigi:

you moron warziez, I have incredibuly evidency that roddenbury meant Start Treck to be the superior force in the universe. Heres even a qote that sez how he tinks the Empire is weeker:

Therefore, I conclude that the Empire would kick the Federation's ass

See? Yoo are rabiud warziez, you cant even see the evidense in front of your moronics eyes, idiots![/i]

[The Admiral]

Oh dear.
Yet again ender smashes my arugments back to fed drydock.
Just one last point, Iron fist was NOT in dry dock. The book is written bacdly. But I clearly states a SSD was in dry dock, by the flcon then heads for the iron fist, which out of dock, begin attacked by to harpans...
In fact this Iron Fist, is wither ANother SSD or the orginal Vic, either way this one WAS NOT in dry dock.
My score for the GA begin locked up is the essiantal guide to cronalgy. Which I have lent to a friend and can't spell. I'll quote the relevent pages when I get it back.

Admiral

[Grand Moff Yenchin]

Another advantage of Trek is that there are hot chicks in slim uniforms on the ships.

[Lord of the Farce]

Another advantage of Trek is that there are hot chicks in slim uniforms on the ships.

Who, unless they get more important roles in the storyline, dies Red Shirt Death.

[The Admiral]

Unless the scrpit writers feel sorry for them.

[Spanky The Dolphin]

Stop posting.

[The Admiral]

Thtas the second time you've said that

[Spanky The Dolphin]

Because you won't stop posting, you incoherrent little retarded freak.

[The Admiral]

Other than the fact that you have no grounds for your insults, I'm not one the one that resorts to insults because they don't get ehat someone is on about. Besides I'm posting in reply to you, I you don't post insults I woun't need to post back would I?