FSTGOD1: A Cool Idea

frigidmagi · Post by **frigidmagi** » 2004-09-27 02:23am

So are you in Great Leader?

Imperial Overlord · Post by **Imperial Overlord** » 2004-09-27 02:38am

I would rate the riders as heavy. Plate almost never shows up in the books and the riders are well armed and armored.

Hotfoot · Post by **Hotfoot** » 2004-09-27 08:08am

Okay, just to clarify things before we get too terribly far into this, let's talk about elite units. This may be barely worth mentioning, but not all elite units are crafted the same. Someone who is well over the average will have to spend more of their regiments for elite units capable of going toe to toe with average or professional elite units.

For example, players A, B, and C are both playing Regional powers. Player A has opted for 30 regiments, B for 15, and C for 7. Each has a group of Elite Regiments, in which they give up two regiments for each elite regiment. Player A's "Elite" regiment counts as two of his regulars, but two of his regulars counts as one of B's regulars, making A's Elites roughly comperable to B's regulars. By the same token, B's Elites are worth one of C's regulars, and one of C's regulars is worth four of A's regulars.

In other words, in order to have elites that are actually elite in larger forces, you need to give up more and more regiments, depending on how far over the average you are.

Thirdfain · Post by **Thirdfain** » 2004-09-27 09:51am

Ok, folks, Hofoot has an interesting job in this game. He is, in addition to Co-mod, the Shadow Master.

Whenever a player is launching an intel op or other post they think no-one should know they are behind, send it to Hotfoot for approval. If approved, HE'LL post it.

No one will know who's really behind it unless they are clever enough to winkle out the clues.

Straha · Post by **Straha** » 2004-09-27 11:10am

Alyrium Denryle wrote:You will note that it took the entirety of Julius Caesars legions to hold in Vercengenorix(sp) in what wasnt even a nation state, but rather a fortified hilltop. To prevent breakouts, he had to construct a wall many many Km long, all around the hill. And man that wall with all of his army

You will note two things:

A. Julius Caesar wasn't known for having wizards and spellcasting clerics in his army.

B. Julius Caesar cared about these people (relativley speaking,) the Jihad doesn't. If you oppose the Jihad you're just as well off dead and burning then you would be alive, though we do have a slight preference for slaves for the homelands. If you don't oppose the Jihad and you join us in the worship of the three gods we send your troops to the front line, and then you get to join in the glory and wealth of the Jihad.

If you oppose the Jihad, you will die. The fact that you folks cannot accept that fact is irrelevant.

Post by **Alyrium Denryle** » 2004-09-27 12:49pm

A. Julius Caesar wasn't known for having wizards and spellcasting clerics in his army.

Works both ways, a city state will have them as well, and their defenses give them a SIGNIFICANT advantage.

B. Julius Caesar cared about these people (relativley speaking,) the Jihad doesn't. If you oppose the Jihad you're just as well off dead and burning then you would be alive, though we do have a slight preference for slaves for the homelands. If you don't oppose the Jihad and you join us in the worship of the three gods we send your troops to the front line, and then you get to join in the glory and wealth of the Jihad.

When the Barbarians could no longer feed their women and children, Julius allowed them to languish between his fortifications, and the besieged fortress... He didnt care. Every last one died.

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » 2004-09-27 12:51pm

The point is a group of wizards is effectively heavy artillery. They will be able to bring down walls and invade cities far more rapidly than Roman legions. In the same vein, my non-magical forces can literally airdrop into cities behind walls. You can't simply stand behind a wall and expect invincibility.

Straha · Post by **Straha** » 2004-09-27 01:04pm

Alyrium Denryle wrote:
A. Julius Caesar wasn't known for having wizards and spellcasting clerics in his army.
Works both ways, a city state will have them as well, and their defenses give them a SIGNIFICANT advantage.

So? The city is fixed, surrounded, and will be attacked from every side at once. Your nations will see the affect of having mages blast down your walls, while Dragons blast your cities from the skies, and catapaults launched diseased bodies and flaming tar at the cities. You will be burned, or you will convert.

Post by **Alyrium Denryle** » 2004-09-27 01:10pm

Straha wrote:
Alyrium Denryle wrote:
A. Julius Caesar wasn't known for having wizards and spellcasting clerics in his army.
Works both ways, a city state will have them as well, and their defenses give them a SIGNIFICANT advantage.
So? The city is fixed, surrounded, and will be attacked from every side at once. Your nations will see the affect of having mages blast down your walls, while Dragons blast your cities from the skies, and catapaults launched diseased bodies and flaming tar at the cities. You will be burned, or you will convert.

Every city that is besieged has that problem. And the vast majority of the time, come out ahead. Because guess what.. this is still not the modern age, fixed fortifications are more than enough to significantly damage your army. Especially because they to have a significant number of dragons, and mages at their disposal.

The expense of having so much territory is that you must devote shitloads of your troops to holding it. You simply wont be able to bring your full weight down on your enemies, much to your chagrin

Thirdfain · Post by **Thirdfain** » 2004-09-27 01:11pm

Well, Straha, you have the small problem of GETTING all that into Europe. Notice how wide the Dardanelles are? You'll have to come by sea or go around the Black Sea. Either way, it's tricky.

Post by **Alyrium Denryle** » 2004-09-27 01:12pm

And while doing that, there are those to his rear who oppose his expansion.

Thirdfain · Post by **Thirdfain** » 2004-09-27 01:12pm

My OOB is pretty complete. AS I'm the mod, a quick peer review of my map and OOB would be appreciated

-edit- Every player should submit a similar map to Hotfoot or I for inspection.

Post by **Beowulf** » 2004-09-27 01:17pm

Another note is that Straha will probably have slave revolts if he tries to move alot of his strength out of his base.

Thirdfain · Post by **Thirdfain** » 2004-09-27 01:30pm

Ok, things everyone needs before we begin:

Ratified national terrain/cities map. (Put it in your OOB.)
Moderately detailed Army, Trade, Cities, Culture OOB.

Once everyone's done that, we can begin. New nations remain open for ratification, so just PM Hotfoot or I.

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » 2004-09-27 01:57pm

Map added. Doctoring that was a bitch.

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2004-09-27 02:11pm

Pablo Sanchez wrote:
Stormbringer wrote:That works well enough by me.
If I were you, I would be less interested in moving into France and more in securing some scattered mercantile holdings. Crete, the islands formerly known as Venice, the Crimea... it fits more with the naval character.

I'm not sure what I'm going to do about expansion. This is more just setting up a reasonable borders. I simply thought the Spanish landbridge made a more sensible frontier, though between us it should be fairly well developed.

I plan on using my Navy as much as possible, definitely a maritime power and I'll be using them appropriately.

Pablo Sanchez · Post by **Pablo Sanchez** » 2004-09-27 02:20pm

Stormbringer wrote:I'm not sure what I'm going to do about expansion. This is more just setting up a reasonable borders. I simply thought the Spanish landbridge made a more sensible frontier, though between us it should be fairly well developed.

Historically speaking there is a lot of movement back and forth even with the Pyrenees, and without those mountains there would never have developed a stable border. So I placed mountains there in my terrain map. I think we should just move the Pyrenees south to that point, and for your territory assume that the plains of Lyonnais and Catalonia happen to be contiguous in this reality.

Thirdfain · Post by **Thirdfain** » 2004-09-27 02:21pm

I approve the moutain border between Andalus and Masotan. It makes sense, historically, and for the way the nations are organized.

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2004-09-27 02:22pm

That works for me.

Thirdfain · Post by **Thirdfain** » 2004-09-27 03:28pm

MAgic stuff:

Magic should be very taxing on the users. A spellcaster who has just blown a hole in (nonenchanted) city walls with a single spell will be exhausted and will need some form of replenishment to cast more spells. New power can come from all sorts of things- artifacts charged like "batteries," ancient temples, sacrified humans, or simply waiting in meditation for a while.

Big spells are not stealthy. If some group of wizards are using massive levitation spells to transport an army over a cliff to take an enemy in the rear, it will probably be detected by wizards even miles away. Small spells, like an assassin's disguise-spell or magically envenomed dagger, would be far harder to detect.

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2004-09-27 04:48pm

Thirdfain:

Can you PM me your email address so I can send you the very rough map I've developed?

Agent Fisher · Post by **Agent Fisher** » 2004-09-27 05:15pm

could i get someone to host my map?

Rogue 9 · Post by **Rogue 9** » 2004-09-27 05:15pm

Agent Fisher wrote:could i get someone to host my map?

I'll do it.

Edit: If it's small enough. How big's the file?

Hotfoot · Post by **Hotfoot** » 2004-09-27 05:17pm

You guys can send me your maps, since I'll be the one who is going to be painting them onto the actual map (and I can and will make close-ups for people, as Fractal Mapper looks pretty good even zoomed in). They will all see ratification by Thirdfain and myself before they go in, and so on. I can also host files easily enough.

Just send them to my username at realmofconfusion.com

Agent Fisher · Post by **Agent Fisher** » 2004-09-27 05:21pm

Rogue 9 wrote:
Agent Fisher wrote:could i get someone to host my map?
I'll do it.

Edit: If it's small enough. How big's the file?

524 kb. its a jpg