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Thirdfain wrote:But seriously, we have joint planning sessions, are all running our own campaigns, have unified shipping protection... I mean, whoa. You guys don't even know where they are going.

Might have something to do with the fact that you've been planning your assault for a hell of a long time and we're on the defensive at the moment. Having Monacora support genocide so soon after they were the victims of it kind of threw us for a loop. *Shoots a dirty look at Straha and sharpens a castration knife.*

Could be

Oh, and Straha isn't supporting genocide, he's opposing it! You monsters perpetrated the attack on Hudson!

Thirdfain wrote:Oh, and Straha isn't supporting genocide, he's opposing it! You monsters perpetrated the attack on Hudson!

Thirdfain. Look at the thread title. See what it says? Yeah. It says OOC Thread. Leave the in character bullshit in character.

Rogue 9 wrote:

Thirdfain wrote:Oh, and Straha isn't supporting genocide, he's opposing it! You monsters perpetrated the attack on Hudson!

Thirdfain. Look at the thread title. See what it says? Yeah. It says OOC Thread. Leave the in character bullshit in character.

When can we expect you to follow that advice and stop whining how we're 'supporting genocide', exactly?

Thirdfain wrote:Could be

Oh, and Straha isn't supporting genocide, he's opposing it! You monsters perpetrated the attack on Hudson!

Please, if we'd commited genocide, we woul;d have done it so much better than that. One lousy city, frickking amatuers.

SirNitram wrote:

Rogue 9 wrote:

Thirdfain wrote:Oh, and Straha isn't supporting genocide, he's opposing it! You monsters perpetrated the attack on Hudson!

Thirdfain. Look at the thread title. See what it says? Yeah. It says OOC Thread. Leave the in character bullshit in character.

When can we expect you to follow that advice and stop whining how we're 'supporting genocide', exactly?

Because Thirdfain is perpetrating genocide against the civilians of the White Suns Confederation, and you are supporting this action. Ergo, you are supporting genocide. This is really quite simple.

I'm just saying that as far as Straha is concerned in game, you guys DID perpetrate the attacks.

The best thing the Alliance could have done was send a nasty letter to the White Suns telling them they were to the wolves, and sat back at home and start a major fleet build up.

SirNitram wrote:

Rogue 9 wrote:

Thirdfain wrote:Oh, and Straha isn't supporting genocide, he's opposing it! You monsters perpetrated the attack on Hudson!

Thirdfain. Look at the thread title. See what it says? Yeah. It says OOC Thread. Leave the in character bullshit in character.

When can we expect you to follow that advice and stop whining how we're 'supporting genocide', exactly?

What, Thirdfain wants the the Ousters to be top dogs, and the easiest way to achieve that is to kill as many of the unaltered humans as possible. Its not like he hasn't come right out and said to other nation's diplomats that the only use the Ousters have for anyone else is their utility in achieving the Diaspora.

Rogue 9 wrote:

SirNitram wrote:

Rogue 9 wrote: Thirdfain. Look at the thread title. See what it says? Yeah. It says OOC Thread. Leave the in character bullshit in character.

When can we expect you to follow that advice and stop whining how we're 'supporting genocide', exactly?

Because Thirdfain is perpetrating genocide against the civilians of the White Suns Confederation, and you are supporting this action. Ergo, you are supporting genocide. This is really quite simple.

WAH WAH WAH I CAN BRING UP IC HOWEVER I WANT AND IGNORE EVERYTHING AROUND IT. ANY COUNTER ARGUMENT IS IC IN THE OOC THREAD!

You whining little fucktard; grow up. Unlike you, some of us are playing ICly.

consequences wrote:

SirNitram wrote:

Rogue 9 wrote: Thirdfain. Look at the thread title. See what it says? Yeah. It says OOC Thread. Leave the in character bullshit in character.

When can we expect you to follow that advice and stop whining how we're 'supporting genocide', exactly?

What, Thirdfain wants the the Ousters to be top dogs, and the easiest way to achieve that is to kill as many of the unaltered humans as possible. Its not like he hasn't come right out and said to other nation's diplomats that the only use the Ousters have for anyone else is their utility in achieving the Diaspora.

Oh please. I'm acting ICly; when players who can't do this are willing to grow up and stop tossing this around(And then, of course, whining when the IC justification is given), then you can criticize me.

Thirdfain wrote:I'm just saying that as far as Straha is concerned in game, you guys DID perpetrate the attacks.

The best thing the Alliance could have done was send a nasty letter to the White Suns telling them they were to the wolves, and sat back at home and start a major fleet build up.

No, that's the worst thing we could have done. The Alliance would disintegrate if it consistently refused to actually follow it's charter and defend it's members.

What, Thirdfain wants the the Ousters to be top dogs, and the easiest way to achieve that is to kill as many of the unaltered humans as possible. Its not like he hasn't come right out and said to other nation's diplomats that the only use the Ousters have for anyone else is their utility in achieving the Diaspora.

You kidding? I've never said that. I've said I want the Diaspora, but I've been mad cooperative with human nations. Hell, the 3rd War Cluster spent months over Earth bringing up loads of refugees for it's field hospitals.

Thirdfain wrote:I'm just saying that as far as Straha is concerned in game, you guys DID perpetrate the attacks.

The best thing the Alliance could have done was send a nasty letter to the White Suns telling them they were to the wolves, and sat back at home and start a major fleet build up.

Sure, and then you'd frame the Draconis for genocide, the Psilons for piracy, Nashtar for Political incorrectness, and the UP for jaywalking, and leave me sitting alone at the bottom of the map. That's really an improvement from having it out when we at least had the False Hope of even odds.

SirNitram wrote:

Rogue 9 wrote:

SirNitram wrote: When can we expect you to follow that advice and stop whining how we're 'supporting genocide', exactly?

Because Thirdfain is perpetrating genocide against the civilians of the White Suns Confederation, and you are supporting this action. Ergo, you are supporting genocide. This is really quite simple.

WAH WAH WAH I CAN BRING UP IC HOWEVER I WANT AND IGNORE EVERYTHING AROUND IT. ANY COUNTER ARGUMENT IS IC IN THE OOC THREAD!

You whining little fucktard; grow up. Unlike you, some of us are playing ICly.

1.) I am playing IC. 2.) The Ousters are wiping out civilians of the White Suns simply because they are citizens of the White Suns and members of the races of the Confederation. This is the definition of genocide, and it is what he is doing in game, and everyone knows it. The fact is hardly OOC knowledge.

No, that's the worst thing we could have done. The Alliance would disintegrate if it consistently refused to actually follow it's charter and defend it's members.

It's a defensive alliance. It was pretty clear that opposing me meant death at your current fleet counts.

You could have said that the White Suns launched an attack, ergo, they are being kicked out.

Rogue 9 wrote:1.) I am playing IC. 2.) The Ousters are wiping out civilians of the White Suns simply because they are citizens of the White Suns and members of the races of the Confederation. This is the definition of genocide, and it is what he is doing in game, and everyone knows it. The fact is hardly OOC knowledge.

The point goes up, over, and beyond your pointed head. Maybe someday you'll be able to figure out why you're mocked for the bullshit you pull in this thread.

Sure, and then you'd frame the Draconis for genocide,

"Draconis Bombs fall on Matar! Galaxy Raises Arms in Disgust!"

the Psilons for piracy,

"Top Ouster Musician Suzy Killem's Top Hit "Fuck the Flatlanders" makes no money due to Psyzaa file sharing software! Ousters Open Fire!"

Nashtar for Political incorrectness,

"President Major? You got something wrong with short people? Ousters Declare War!"

and the UP for jaywalking,

"Ok, we won't even bother trying on this one. DIE MUTHAFUCKA!"

and leave me sitting alone at the bottom of the map. That's really an improvement from having it out when we at least had the False Hope of even odds.

Yup, preetty much. OK!

Thirdfain wrote:

What, Thirdfain wants the the Ousters to be top dogs, and the easiest way to achieve that is to kill as many of the unaltered humans as possible. Its not like he hasn't come right out and said to other nation's diplomats that the only use the Ousters have for anyone else is their utility in achieving the Diaspora.

You kidding? I've never said that. I've said I want the Diaspora, but I've been mad cooperative with human nations. Hell, the 3rd War Cluster spent months over Earth bringing up loads of refugees for it's field hospitals.

Thirdfain wrote:"Of use. The Hajr is friends with those who will fight for the Diaspora. It is enemies with those who will stand against the Diaspora. It cares not at all for those who do not concern us."

Cares not at all. which can easily be interpreted as "We would cause the deaths of every one of your people if it would advance our cause in the slightest". An extreme view, but not contradicted by your words. But I wil admit that I misremembered your words as being just the slightest shade harsher than that.

And quite frankly, your treatment of your friends sucks.

And quite frankly, your treatment of your friends sucks.

What are you talking about? The U?nification is getting hegemony. I've helped them consistently, both militarily and civilly. I've done more for the Unification than the Alliance has done for you...

consequences wrote: and the UP for jaywalking

You know those UP types: no respect for humanity or even the traffic laws for that matter! You people make me SICK!

Thirdfain wrote:

And quite frankly, your treatment of your friends sucks.

What are you talking about? The U?nification is getting hegemony. I've helped them consistently, both militarily and civilly. I've done more for the Unification than the Alliance has done for you...

Mainly I'm talking about the poor expendable bastards that work for you, that get blown up if they fail a mission. A brief flame may burn brightly, but you really don't need to douse your people in kerosene to prove the point.

that get blown up if they fail a mission.

What are you talking about? Successful Hajr soliders and officers get tons of slots in the birthing creches and a chance to go back to the Cluster nice and happy.

A brief flame may burn brightly, but you really don't need to douse your people in kerosene to prove the point.

*shrug* Better to die fighting than live a long, empty life. The Ouster either succeeds and enjoys the full fruits of their efforts, spreading their seed and getting to go home as heroes, or die, furthering the cause. It's glorious!

Thirdfain wrote:

Sure, and then you'd frame the Draconis for genocide,

"Draconis Bombs fall on Matar! Galaxy Raises Arms in Disgust!"

the Psilons for piracy,

"Top Ouster Musician Suzy Killem's Top Hit "Fuck the Flatlanders" makes no money due to Psyzaa file sharing software! Ousters Open Fire!"

Nashtar for Political incorrectness,

"President Major? You got something wrong with short people? Ousters Declare War!"

and the UP for jaywalking,

"Ok, we won't even bother trying on this one. DIE MUTHAFUCKA!"

and leave me sitting alone at the bottom of the map. That's really an improvement from having it out when we at least had the False Hope of even odds.

Yup, preetty much. OK!

FUQ!

... oh, yeah. Poor Frija su Candaris. Right. Poor young woman. Well, it was death at the hands of the Krynor or vvictory. She made the only choice left.

On to serious matters, regarding the distribution of Shi fleet power:

Each Black Tide supercarrier is intended to represent approximately 1.4 Supercapital allotments(total so far 11.2)

Each Superdreadnought goes for 2.5 Supercap slots (21.2)

Maulers represent 3.8 build allotments per(25) Which among other things, explains my lack of cruiser and escort builds, and dearth of efforts to do things like bribe the Krell to attack someone else.

This is under the assumption that since I joined back in May, I received the full starting ship count.

Off of serious matters: If I gave up my entire fleet and starting planets, could I have started with an Imperator class Star Destroyer?