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The Yosemite Bear wrote:if he had gotten a double dose would that have involved insanity points?

Oh yes...

that's just what I was thinking, not meaning to give you ideas, hopefully the keys open something around here....

I can just imagine:
*eli fumbles with keys*
"One of these should open this door"
*scar's chainsword cuts open door*

"Erm your way works too"

NecronLord wrote:

The Yosemite Bear wrote:if he had gotten a double dose would that have involved insanity points?

Oh yes...

Revising the rules, I find that there is no "double dose" for hallucinagenic grenades.

Are you making up ruling shenanigans? If so I demand a new warp phenomena where all foodstuffs turn into marshmellows.

Son? He's the GM. That's what they do. I highly doubt you'll find rules for the ease with which a monobonded rapier will cut through a false-brick-faced wooden secret wall, either.

Or if you would, then the GM guide is the size of The Emperor's Ego.

There's nothing in the rules about a double-dose, but then again, NecronLord's just thrown an expensive and oddly specific hallucinogen grenade at the party. On the plus side, it's got a pretty huge range (if it was able to reach me at the top of the stairs), so unless the heretics have rebreathers or the benefits of bionic respirator implants, they should be suffering the effects as much as you guys.

Also, a quick question, not really related to what's currently going on. Would it be fair to add Trade: Armorer into the Techpriest career path as a not-so-elite advance?

Okay, I have found that I'm just a tad confused about where I put my 400 exp.

So, I think I'll clarify...

Simply Agility
Barter
Sound Constitution*2

On the other hand, I'm not sure what my hocus-pocus prophecy was. I know that it's buried in my stats though, so it doesn't matter.

Also, my income comes from scheming at 32 thrones a month.

Lancer wrote:There's nothing in the rules about a double-dose, but then again, NecronLord's just thrown an expensive and oddly specific hallucinogen grenade at the party. On the plus side, it's got a pretty huge range (if it was able to reach me at the top of the stairs), so unless the heretics have rebreathers or the benefits of bionic respirator implants, they should be suffering the effects as much as you guys.

Heh heh heh.

It's not really oddly specific, by the way; you can get similar precision on any mass-manufactured weapon if you care to. But it is quite expensive.

Also, a quick question, not really related to what's currently going on. Would it be fair to add Trade: Armorer into the Techpriest career path as a not-so-elite advance?

I think it's in there somewhere, but I'll take a look.


And yeah, there's no rules about jumping on them and getting a double dose; on the other hand, I figured something dramatic should have happened; but the dice didn't cooperate.


Now, you may be wondering, what has happened to your fearless leader lately? Well, my computer's pretty much totalled, it seems. So I'm currently online from a public computer. For this game, this is a problem, but I should be able to get on every couple of days at least until the problem's fixed, which might take up to a couple of weeks (and might involve buying a new computer... ) so I should be able to keep at least half on the ball...

And fortunately, all my notes and NPCs for this game seem fairly safe at the minute.

Speaking as a player and computer tech with a vested interest in your computer's health, feel free to poke for any thoughts. G'luck.

mmm new machine spirit......

still waiting for mine to show up.

purhaps I need to strike the holy bell several times in the name of the omnimessiah....

What's that you hear? The sound of sarcophagi opening, and metal joints whirring? Yes, I'm back. All systems locked and primed! I'll get around to err, the game, some time today or tomorrow! Now... antivirus things...

Heretek! HERETEK!

is there some sort of humour about a necron being concerned with computer malware?

The Yosemite Bear wrote:is there some sort of humour about a necron being concerned with computer malware?

Maybe the Necron OS is Windows 40K, in which case a certain degree of concern about security vulnerabilities is totally understandable.

Actually, running on Windows would explain a lot of the Necrons' ongoing desire to exterminate all life. Though with millenia to play with even Microsoft should be able to get the bugs out of their operating systems.

This is why the 5th edition rulebook says necron lords occasionally take out their rage on entire worlds. Sitting in your tombworld for centuries trying to get it to recognise new hardware is a pain in the metal ass.

Also. I can now play games written this century huzzah.

me too, praise the machine god.

Necrons have always confused me. They're not even souls trapped in a metal chassis, it is said that they have a crystaline net similar to an actual brain. In which case why not just make those guys in the first place and leave the Necrotyr (?) alone?

Anyway, it can be assumed that I am screaming "BUGS BUGS BUGS BUGS BUGS". I'm too lazy to actually go over there and post it.

Once we get out of here, I am going to shop for a sling. And then I am going to shop for a laser sight. And then, by the Emperor, I am going to attatch this laser sight to the sling, as par the rules.

Zablorg wrote:Necrons have always confused me. They're not even souls trapped in a metal chassis, it is said that they have a crystaline net similar to an actual brain. In which case why not just make those guys in the first place and leave the Necrotyr (?) alone?

Thanks to 5th ed, they were originally full, sapient uploads. Like cybermen, but without the emotionless part. They made themselves (with the aid of the C'tan) machines because it was a route to immortality as an indestructible killing machine.

NecronLord wrote:

Zablorg wrote:Necrons have always confused me. They're not even souls trapped in a metal chassis, it is said that they have a crystaline net similar to an actual brain. In which case why not just make those guys in the first place and leave the Necrotyr (?) alone?

Thanks to 5th ed, they were originally full, sapient uploads. Like cybermen, but without the emotionless part. They made themselves (with the aid of the C'tan) machines because it was a route to immortality as an indestructible killing machine.

Do they still have emotion other than hatred of the living? Everything I've ever read suggests that they've become more or less the undead in metal skeleton form, but that's all from the Imperial side, so not the best source of info I spose.

Block wrote:
Do they still have emotion other than hatred of the living? Everything I've ever read suggests that they've become more or less the undead in metal skeleton form, but that's all from the Imperial side, so not the best source of info I spose.

Fifth edition applies yes, but now they can degrade physically and mentally from repeated severe damage and not quite perfect repair work. So some who've been repeatedly trashed are essentially the necron equivalent to brain damaged gimps. The ones in better working order retain more of their personality and some of the necronlords have rather severe cases of megalomania and think they are gods, upgrading themselves with larger, more elaborate, and powerful bodies.

So why the instant killy of anything not Necron then? Just cause? I mean the Orks have the not Orky thing, the Tau don't instakill, the Eldar are manipulative but don't instakill, etc...

NecronLord wrote:

Zablorg wrote:Necrons have always confused me. They're not even souls trapped in a metal chassis, it is said that they have a crystaline net similar to an actual brain. In which case why not just make those guys in the first place and leave the Necrotyr (?) alone?

Thanks to 5th ed, they were originally full, sapient uploads. Like cybermen, but without the emotionless part. They made themselves (with the aid of the C'tan) machines because it was a route to immortality as an indestructible killing machine.

I know that bit; what I'm more confused about is why does the upload process involve destroying the original Necrontyr? Surely if the tech to upload a creature's mind into a robot brain was possible, it wouldn't require the original animal to perish.

Why did the C'tan not simply upload the Necrontyr minds into the Necron chasis, without killing the Necrontyr (effectively making a double of each individual), then fly off and fight the Old Ones?

Zablorg wrote: I know that bit; what I'm more confused about is why does the upload process involve destroying the original Necrontyr? Surely if the tech to upload a creature's mind into a robot brain was possible, it wouldn't require the original animal to perish.

Why did the C'tan not simply upload the Necrontyr minds into the Necron chasis, without killing the Necrontyr (effectively making a double of each individual), then fly off and fight the Old Ones?

We don't know how it was done. The only similar instance described I can think of offhand is the description of mind-uploading in Ian Watson's short story Warped Stars mentioned cutting away the mind. That's only Late Golden Age of Technology humans, of course, and the necrontyr might have used a far more sophisticated method. But would they want to remain in frail, cancer ridden bodies?

Block wrote:So why the instant killy of anything not Necron then? Just cause? I mean the Orks have the not Orky thing, the Tau don't instakill, the Eldar are manipulative but don't instakill, etc...

They're not. For the most part, they view other races as cattle; to be harvested. Occasionally, they wish to vent their hage upon the spawn of the old ones. On other occasions, necrons just ignore other races.

Indeed, in one early fluff example, from Gorkamorka, they were outright benevolent; liberating degenerate humans from ork oppression.

Posted! One can assume 5 rounds of gas inspired hilarity have passed, and Mithras' grenade went off in a pit. Off to Games Day tomorrow, so I shan't be on much.

Well don't I feel sheepish. Cheer that it's back, then forget it is. Posted!