STGOD 4 OOC Thread

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » 2004-05-19 03:20pm

Rogue 9 wrote:
Hotfoot wrote:
Rogue 9 wrote:Except for the little detail that there isn't any incriminating evidence, but you're just looking to conquer some more worlds anyway, so what do you care?
DO WE KNOW THERE IS NO INCRIMINATING EVIDENCE? NO!! AND NOW WE'LL NEVER KNOW! WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH YOU? CAN YOU NOT UNDERSTAND THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN IN-GAME KNOWLEDGE AND OUT OF CHARACTER KNOWLEDGE?!!?

Jesus fucking Christ you're dense.
I do know that difference. I also know that at least half the powers in orbit would open fire with all guns the second the shields were lowered.

No, you don't. You're not psychic.

Rogue 9 · Post by **Rogue 9** » 2004-05-19 03:21pm

There hasn't been a war yet that hasn't ended in the destruction and subjugation of an empire. Give me one reason why this one would be any different no matter what he did.

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » 2004-05-19 03:22pm

Rogue 9 wrote:There hasn't been a war yet that hasn't ended in the destruction and subjugation of an empire. Give me one reason why this one would be any different no matter what he did.

Your Wall of Ignorance is up, because we've already shown you that. Go away.

Thirdfain · Post by **Thirdfain** » 2004-05-19 03:23pm

Hey, Rogue9, you know what is truly incredible about you? Every time something happens in the STGOD which doesn't sit well with you, you run to the OOC thread and bitch about how it just doesn't seem nice.

NEWSFLASH

Hey! In real life, poorly managed nations in weak positions get FUCKED unless they work hard to protect themselves!

Maybe you should stop bitching about how conspiracies against your allies are succeeding when you are making NO EFFORT INGAME to stop them.

And compliance with that request would have been followed by the above scenario. The Ousters at least have been looking to destroy the Empire since day one. This is their big chance. They've had no qualms about taking what they want in the past. Beginning to shape up for you?

Would you like some cream with that big steaming mug of metagaming?

Add to this the simple fact that there wasn't even an Ouster fleet in the area during the battle...

The Krell made impossible demands and then started shooting. Everyone else joined in.

There's a huge difference between UNPLEASANT demands and IMPOSSIBLE ones.

You know what's happened historically every damn time this scenario has come up in the STGOD? Conquest or destruction of the world in question. He had no reason to believe that this time would be any different. I still don't.

Actually, you are completely wrong! Every time this has happened the targetted played has QUIT. Of course we haven't had any negotiated peace, because for fuck's sake, we haven't had anyone to negotiate with!

The worst part is, Alyrium didn't even do anyhting to break this trend.

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » 2004-05-19 03:26pm

Thirdfain wrote:Actually, you are completely wrong! Every time this has happened the targetted played has QUIT. Of course we haven't had any negotiated peace, because for fuck's sake, we haven't had anyone to negotiate with!

The worst part is, Alyrium didn't even do anyhting to break this trend.

Unfortunately, neither will the Overseer. It is simply unthinkable that it will negotiate when there is finally a coordinated effort to root out it's homeworld and destroy the mainframes.

Hotfoot · Post by **Hotfoot** » 2004-05-19 03:27pm

Rogue 9 wrote:Oh, you've spelled it out loud and clear. I just don't believe it.

That's because you're a fucking dumbass. You're so full of shit I should twist your nose to flush your brain.

There were fleets from half a dozen hostile powers around his world. He drops his shields to let in inspectors and is promptly inspected by a generous helping of cruise missiles and strategic nukes.

Total, rampant bullshit. Now you're grasping for straws to support your paranoid delusions.

The Krell made impossible demands and then started shooting.

Started shooting when the Arcanists REFUSED TO FULLY COMPLY AS DEMANDED. The demand for the location of the Mechanoid homesystem would be unreasonable if Alyrium didn't have it, but in order to find out if he didn't have it, WE WOULD HAVE TO SEND IN INSPECTORS.

Everyone else joined in. You know what's happened historically every damn time this scenario has come up in the STGOD? Conquest or destruction of the world in question. He had no reason to believe that this time would be any different. I still don't.

Bullshit. We stated our terms quite clearly. He had no reason to suspect we were lying. Neither do you, fucknut.

And compliance with that request would have been followed by the above scenario. The Ousters at least have been looking to destroy the Empire since day one. This is their big chance. They've had no qualms about taking what they want in the past. Beginning to shape up for you?

Wow, how do you even function in society with this sort of outlook? Shouldn't you be wallpapering your room in aluminum foil about now? The Ousters, if they had attacked and attempted to destroy the Empire, would have been smacked down by the Ravenlock, Veithan, and numerous other fleets in the area that wanted INFORMATION. You can't learn shit from a dead planet.

Rogue 9 · Post by **Rogue 9** » 2004-05-19 03:28pm

No you haven't. To do that, you'd have to show me that those in orbit are suddenly no longer rabidly expansionist.

And still no one had any form of proof in character of the accusations. At all. None. Just the word of the Overseer, which the Overseer would benefit greatly from having everyone believe. It really boggles the mind how everyone leapt to believe the Siliconoids when doing so provided an excuse for them to dismantle the Arcane Empire, to the benefit of the Siliconoids. And might I remind everyone that Alyrium (naively, but too late now) told everyone what his troops found? Why would he do that if he was guilty? A guilty power would destroy the freaking evidence, and this would have never happened.

Thirdfain · Post by **Thirdfain** » 2004-05-19 03:28pm

Bullshit, Thirdfain. He wasn't even the initiating member of the Alliance, and the loss of one signatory does not negate the whole damn thing.

Actually, the Alliance is now down to 3 participating members, rendering it no longer the most powerful force in the STGOD. It is now matched by the Veithan/Gladsheim/Ravenlock alliance and the Monacoran/Jardanian/Krell alliance. The Quintuple Alliance's power has clearly been severly damaged.

Rogue 9 · Post by **Rogue 9** » 2004-05-19 03:31pm

That's far from fallen, I'll note.

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » 2004-05-19 03:32pm

Rogue 9 wrote:No you haven't. To do that, you'd have to show me that those in orbit are suddenly no longer rabidly expansionist.

The Ousters, who weren't there? The Krell, who aren't in this for expansion but for the bounty on Overseer units? The Jardanians pillaged, but...

And still no one had any form of proof in character of the accusations. At all. None. Just the word of the Overseer, which the Overseer would benefit greatly from having everyone believe.

METAGAMING! The Overseer has not been linked to the initiate spread of data. No one has even attempted to link it.

It really boggles the mind how everyone leapt to believe the Siliconoids when doing so provided an excuse for them to dismantle the Arcane Empire, to the benefit of the Siliconoids.

Well, when you refuse to keep IC and OOC seperate, that'll happen.

Thirdfain · Post by **Thirdfain** » 2004-05-19 03:32pm

And still no one had any form of proof in character of the accusations. At all. None. Just the word of the Overseer, which the Overseer would benefit greatly from having everyone believe. It really boggles the mind how everyone leapt to believe the Siliconoids when doing so provided an excuse for them to dismantle the Arcane Empire, to the benefit of the Siliconoids. And might I remind everyone that Alyrium (naively, but too late now) told everyone what his troops found? Why would he do that if he was guilty? A guilty power would destroy the freaking evidence, and this would have never happened.

Uh, I think you are forgetting the FORTRESS WORLD FULL OF CONSTRUCTS in the Arcane home system. Frankly, the only two reasons I can think of are collaboration or utter, gross, arrogant incompotence on the part of the Arcanists. Their excuse, that they couldn't spare the firepower, is clearly bullshit. Every nation in the galaxy, including your own, could have been contacted to deal with the threat.

The fact that your empire isn't having serious doubts about the Empire is a sure sign of your metagame outlook.

Thirdfain · Post by **Thirdfain** » 2004-05-19 03:33pm

That's far from fallen, I'll note.

It's good enough for the Hajr. It's down from the primary power-broker to but one of a series of smaller alliances.

Hotfoot · Post by **Hotfoot** » 2004-05-19 03:36pm

Rogue 9 wrote:No you haven't. To do that, you'd have to show me that those in orbit are suddenly no longer rabidly expansionist.

Oh, I'm sorry, I'm rabidly expansionist? So are the Veithans? And the Grand Empire? And the Krell? What the fuck are you smoking?

And still no one had any form of proof in character of the accusations. At all. None. Just the word of the Overseer, which the Overseer would benefit greatly from having everyone believe. It really boggles the mind how everyone leapt to believe the Siliconoids when doing so provided an excuse for them to dismantle the Arcane Empire, to the benefit of the Siliconoids.

Oh, and I guess that PLANET that Alyrium gave to the mechanoids just doesn't count, despite the fact HE KEPT IT SECRET AFTER THE RAPE OF TERRA!!

That's enough evidence for a god damn conviction right there, never mind probable cause.

And might I remind everyone that Alyrium (naively, but too late now) told everyone what his troops found? Why would he do that if he was guilty? A guilty power would destroy the freaking evidence, and this would have never happened.

Alyrium's nation has made stupid decisions in the past, in the hopes of improving their reputation. This just follows the trend.

Rogue 9 · Post by **Rogue 9** » 2004-05-19 03:39pm

METAGAMING! The Overseer has not been linked to the initiate spread of data. No one has even attempted to link it.

Um... Hello? The tapes were found in your embassy, and you transmitted a declaration of the Arcanist "betrayal" soon after. I should think that its readily obvious. In game.

Rogue 9 · Post by **Rogue 9** » 2004-05-19 03:40pm

Erm, Dahak? Did you suddenly trade names with Monacora or something? I haven't directed a thing to you.

Thirdfain · Post by **Thirdfain** » 2004-05-19 03:41pm

Um... Hello? The tapes were found in your embassy, and you transmitted a declaration of the Arcanist "betrayal" soon after. I should think that its readily obvious. In game.

The initial set of news stories revealing the Machine base in the Arcanist home system, the most damning evidence by far, were not linked to the overseer in any way.

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » 2004-05-19 03:42pm

Rogue 9 wrote:
METAGAMING! The Overseer has not been linked to the initiate spread of data. No one has even attempted to link it.
Um... Hello? The tapes were found in your embassy, and you transmitted a declaration of the Arcanist "betrayal" soon after. I should think that its readily obvious. In game.

Except that's not what brought everyone here. Everyone's here because the news found out about the Embassy. No one's gotten a chance to inspect the tapes without them being handled excessively by the Arcane Empire, and not a damn soul has reacted to the fact the Overseer has spoken to you all.

Hotfoot · Post by **Hotfoot** » 2004-05-19 03:44pm

Rogue 9 wrote:Erm, Dahak? Did you suddenly trade names with Monacora or something? I haven't directed a thing to you.

He's in the contested zone, just as I am, and my full fleet is currently providing cover for the Monacorans.

Veithans are also in system.

Dahak · Post by **Dahak** » 2004-05-19 03:45pm

Rogue 9 wrote:Erm, Dahak? Did you suddenly trade names with Monacora or something? I haven't directed a thing to you.

Reading is bliss.

I might direct you to your own post, as you made your entrance to the Arcanist system.

DAMN it all to hell and back! Open a channel to all ships in the system!"

The relevant part highlighted for you.
So unless "all ships" aren't all ships currently in system, you have directed it to me, as well.

Rogue 9 · Post by **Rogue 9** » 2004-05-19 03:48pm

Well, yeah. If you're already standing down then there's nothing you need to do anyway. You really think he had time to look at the sensor readouts, see who's not actively shooting at the time, and read out a long list of exceptions?

Dahak · Post by **Dahak** » 2004-05-19 03:50pm

Rogue 9 wrote:Well, yeah. If you're already standing down then there's nothing you need to do anyway. You really think he had time to look at the sensor readouts, see who's not actively shooting at the time, and read out a long list of exceptions?

I think someone storming into a contested area full of fleets would take a short glance at the present situation.
If you're stupidly running into it, that is not my problem...

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » 2004-05-19 04:01pm

While we're apparently bitching about things we don't like, I really find this 'I FLING EVERY SINGLE SHIP AT YOU HAH!' stuff ridiculous. Therefore, if there are no objections, I'm gonna go to Tycho's worlds and stomp on his balls because he left ten fighter squadrons to defend himself.

Pablo Sanchez · Post by **Pablo Sanchez** » 2004-05-19 04:07pm

SirNitram wrote:While we're apparently bitching about things we don't like, I really find this 'I FLING EVERY SINGLE SHIP AT YOU HAH!' stuff ridiculous. Therefore, if there are no objections, I'm gonna go to Tycho's worlds and stomp on his balls because he left ten fighter squadrons to defend himself.

DO IT, damn you. Punish them, because they forgot the concept of keeping reserves.

Thirdfain · Post by **Thirdfain** » 2004-05-19 04:07pm

While we're apparently bitching about things we don't like, I really find this 'I FLING EVERY SINGLE SHIP AT YOU HAH!' stuff ridiculous. Therefore, if there are no objections, I'm gonna go to Tycho's worlds and stomp on his balls because he left ten fighter squadrons to defend himself.

It's only been a few weeks since the Rape of Terra. You will have few, if any ships, and his fortifications should be able to handle it... Unless you didn't use all your ships on Terra, in which case you might do some damage.

Tycho is still an idiot for not defending his home systems (anyone remember the Jardan campaign? You know, the one where 1/3rd of the Ouster fleet defeated Lazerus' entire empire with minimal casualties because he left his home systems unprotected?), but you probably can't do anything about that.

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » 2004-05-19 04:09pm

Thirdfain wrote:
While we're apparently bitching about things we don't like, I really find this 'I FLING EVERY SINGLE SHIP AT YOU HAH!' stuff ridiculous. Therefore, if there are no objections, I'm gonna go to Tycho's worlds and stomp on his balls because he left ten fighter squadrons to defend himself.
It's only been a few weeks since the Rape of Terra. You will have few, if any ships, and his fortifications should be able to handle it... Unless you didn't use all your ships on Terra, in which case you might do some damage.

I used up all my superheavies save one battleship, but less than half of my other ships. I will lack Fusion cannons, but I think a few hundred heavy railguns will handle it.