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Captain tycho wrote:Alyrium, what is your AIM username? I'd like to get in contact with you for some...plotting.

Yes, I will be taking another power at a self-imposed handicap

And no, you can count out any alliances with me Tycho

lazerus wrote:

Alyrium Denryle wrote:question Laz... how the fuck do you have staffs? And how the fuck do you know the command words?

Seeing as they are not standard issue for any of my military....

Bitch

Looting.
Scrying.

Bitch.

You cant scry to get the command words, especially if you dont have the original owner

Staffs are expensive, few, and far between. And praytell from whom did you steal them In that area of the planet, there were no civilians, and they took their magical items with them.

I liked that bit where Sharkbait showed up with a single carrier group in the middle of a massive swarm of different empire's fleets and said:

"Well, that was fun, wasn't it! Could we have all these planets, now, then? Please?"

Thirdfain, I have to know.

Do the Ousters respect ANY kind of territorial sovereignty or do they see the entirety of known space as belonging to them?

If it's the latter, that's bound to create problems with the people who've already taken up residence there.

Wondering the same thing myself.

Alyrium Denryle wrote:

lazerus wrote:

Alyrium Denryle wrote:question Laz... how the fuck do you have staffs? And how the fuck do you know the command words?

Seeing as they are not standard issue for any of my military....

Bitch

Looting.
Scrying.

Bitch.

You cant scry to get the command words, especially if you dont have the original owner

Staffs are expensive, few, and far between. And praytell from whom did you steal them In that area of the planet, there were no civilians, and they took their magical items with them.

In a world where magic items cost no exp to create, magic items would be common.

And i'm really getting sick of this "evacuate" crap. It's pushing it to say you can evacuate your entire world at a critical moment, but saying that you take everything of value with you is too far.

Everything of value? Hardly. He left his infrastructure entirely intact, if you'll recall. But a staff is a relatively little thing that the owner would likely be carrying at the time of the evacuation. Why leave it?

Thirdfain, I have to know.

Do the Ousters respect ANY kind of territorial sovereignty or do they see the entirety of known space as belonging to them?

If it's the latter, that's bound to create problems with the people who've already taken up residence there.

We aren't stupid, and won't start a war unless we are sure we can come out on top. Thse arcanist systems have NO sovereignity. Who owns them now? The Arcanist machine-traitors? I think not.

I'm moving in to unoccupied, uninhabited space.

That was ceded by the previous owner to another power; that power was not you. I don't care what you think of the Arcanists, but they handed over their territory to someone else already.

That was ceded by the previous owner to another power; that power was not you. I don't care what you think of the Arcanists, but they handed over their territory to someone else already.

the Arcanists? You mean the same arcanists who FLED KNOWN SPACE and CONSORTED WITH MACHINES?

Frankly, their word is worth less than nothing. They are a defeated power, and it is not their place to decide who the worlds they left go too.

Frankly, they gave the worlds over to Atlantean custody while they were still in possession of the aforementioned worlds. They had every right to do so. Unless you mean to say that, lets say, Britain had a right to descend upon the Mexican Cession to the United States and take it just because they didn't like Mexico? One nation gave up territory to a specific other nation. This does not make the territory up for grabs.

Thirdfain wrote:

Thirdfain, I have to know.

Do the Ousters respect ANY kind of territorial sovereignty or do they see the entirety of known space as belonging to them?

If it's the latter, that's bound to create problems with the people who've already taken up residence there.

We aren't stupid, and won't start a war unless we are sure we can come out on top. Thse arcanist systems have NO sovereignity. Who owns them now? The Arcanist machine-traitors? I think not.

I'm moving in to unoccupied, uninhabited space.

and what happens when you run out of that?

You aren't getting my systems without one hell of a fight.

Rogue 9 wrote:Frankly, they gave the worlds over to Atlantean custody while they were still in possession of the aforementioned worlds. They had every right to do so.

Actually, it was while they were still evacuating. I'm afraid Thirdfain has a very valid point. The Arcanists requested the worlds be handed over at the worst possible time that they could have.

Unless you mean to say that, lets say, Britain had a right to descend upon the Mexican Cession to the United States and take it just because they didn't like Mexico? One nation gave up territory to a specific other nation. This does not make the territory up for grabs.

Actually, in this case, the Arcanist territory is to be considered like evidence seized in a criminal investigation. It is likely to be auctioned off to benefit the victims of their crimes.

and what happens when you run out of that?

You aren't getting my systems without one hell of a fight.

No worries. The time when the Hajr begins the forcible, unilateral clensing of Known Space is in the far future, almost certainly after this STGOD is over. In fact, this is the stopping point; the Hajr is gonna take a year or so break to consolidate and take a breather.

Actually, in this case, the Arcanist territory is to be considered like evidence seized in a criminal investigation. It is likely to be auctioned off to benefit the victims of their crimes.

But Thirdfain's not doing that. He's claiming the territory for himself, not as evidence to be inspected.

Rogue 9 wrote:But Thirdfain's not doing that. He's claiming the territory for himself, not as evidence to be inspected.

You're right, but he's also got a reason for doing so. The Floaters that left Arcanist space a while back are still sort of homeless, and so he's giving them their old homes back, with protection of the Ouster Second War Cluster.

In a way, he does have a claim to the systems.

Thirdfain wrote:

and what happens when you run out of that?

You aren't getting my systems without one hell of a fight.

No worries. The time when the Hajr begins the forcible, unilateral clensing of Known Space is in the far future, almost certainly after this STGOD is over. In fact, this is the stopping point; the Hajr is gonna take a year or so break to consolidate and take a breather.

Well then we'll just have to stop them, wont we?

Exactly why do the Ousters want to eradicate all non Unbound life again?

Not every "heavy" wanted to exterminate them.

Because I suppose some people get their jollies out of total extermination for no particular reason.

Exactly why do the Ousters want to eradicate all non Unbound life again?

Not every "heavy" wanted to exterminate them.

Not quite eradicate- The base idea of Ouster culture is not far off from the Shadow's. Evolution creates strength, and violence leads to evolution. They believe they are, as their ship-class names say, the Pinnacle of Evolution. The eventual goal of the Hajr is the removal of all possible threats to the Diaspora. Note that this doesn't necessarily mean extermination; in fact, should the Hajr succeed, it will likely result with a great many client-worlds exsisting, like Hudson, more or less without Ouster interference. It's just that the Ousters will be the only ones with any real military strength, and every system in Known Space will be packed with Clusters.

This goal is, of course, centuries in the future, and hardly common knowledge.

More or less, Ousters are arrogant as shit, like the Vampires, they see humans as being a step down.

Because I suppose some people get their jollies out of total extermination for no particular reason.

Not every power in this STGOD is human, Rogue 9. Of course, to you and I, their goal seems insane- but to their own set of moral laws, it's prefectly legitimate. Ousters aren't human, not by a long shot, and haven't been for over a century. They don't think like we do.

Well, they can try in that goal. Remember Tycho's fate at Pinnacle? To quote the Dread Pirate Roberts, whenever you feel like dying, feel free to visit.

Well, they can try in that goal. Remember Tycho's fate at Pinnacle? To quote the Dread Pirate Roberts, whenever you feel like dying, feel free to visit.

-shrug- As Sun Tzu said, when your enemy has a impenetrable fortress, make sure he stays there

Besides, I have a contingency plan or two for Pinnacle. You might find that in the massiveness of space, impenetrable fortresses simply don't exist...

I know that. Who said its impenetrable? I just said that it'd hurt trying to penetrate it.

I know that. Who said its impenetrable? I just said that it'd hurt trying to penetrate it.

-nod- Absolutly true. It's perhaps the most powerful fortress system in the STGOD, and I'll respect that.

-sigh- It' s kind of sad the way the first generation of villians in this STGOD lowered the bar for everyone... I remember TGOD, when Stormbringer's psychic xenophobes slaughtered Aquarians for sport and the Axis ran rampant in the Galactic northeast. Now, the religious fanatics of the day's idea of a clever political move is to smash their fleet to bits against the toughest space fortress in the game. It's like watching a bunch of retards in clown suits trying to escape from a locked room. they bumble about knocking over furniture and taking pratfalls, and damned if they are ever going to figure out how to open that door....

Yeah, and I've been strengthening it. I forget whether I ordered up three or four Torrent battle stations for it... *Goes back to check.*

Rogue 9 wrote:Everything of value? Hardly. He left his infrastructure entirely intact, if you'll recall. But a staff is a relatively little thing that the owner would likely be carrying at the time of the evacuation. Why leave it?

Because, being the most common magic item in FR. There would be a lot of them lying around.