STGOD 4 OOC Thread (part 2)

Thirdfain · Post by **Thirdfain** » 2004-09-21 12:37am

Heh. Heh. It's a little late for politicking. Here's some free advice- Talk to neutral powers. The Veithans are of particular interest, as are the rest of the Accord, the Baeloreans, and the Vampires.

Rogue 9 · Post by **Rogue 9** » 2004-09-21 12:43am

Thirdfain wrote:Oh, and you are sending a fleet carrier as a fucking first contact envoy. WTF?

Well after all that shit that Straha spewed about how evil I am, I daresay he'd take precautions.

Thirdfain · Post by **Thirdfain** » 2004-09-21 12:44am

Right, because a single fleet carrier with light escort will be capable of dealing with the Nashtari fleet.

Agent Fisher · Post by **Agent Fisher** » 2004-09-21 12:50am

2 WRAITHs
1 HALO
2 HUNTERS
4 CARRACK
7 COMMONWEALTHS
4 STACKERS

yeah, that is a light escort

the fleet at the rendezvous, before i changed it, was

1 WRAITH
1 HALO
2 HUNTERS
2 CARRACKS
3 COMMONWEALTHS
4 STACKERS

Thirdfain · Post by **Thirdfain** » 2004-09-21 12:52am

Carrier Battleswarm 1.1
-Planetary Assault Group
CO: Subadmiral Allian su Elysium

----Carrier Swarm 1.1
2 Elysium Ascendent-class Attack Carriers (Bringer of Progress, Force of Nature)
10 Tarsis- class Escort Frigates
3 Knife- class Raiding Frigates
30 Vampire-class Torpedo Frigates

----Cruiser Swarm 1.1
4 Expansion of Civilization- Strike Cruisers
3 Tarsis-class Escort Frigates
8 Knife- class Raiding Frigates

yeah, that is a light escort

Yup.

Agent Fisher · Post by **Agent Fisher** » 2004-09-21 01:01am

Thirdfain wrote:Carrier Battleswarm 1.1
-Planetary Assault Group
CO: Subadmiral Allian su Elysium

----Carrier Swarm 1.1
2 Elysium Ascendent-class Attack Carriers (Bringer of Progress, Force of Nature)
10 Tarsis- class Escort Frigates
3 Knife- class Raiding Frigates
30 Vampire-class Torpedo Frigates

----Cruiser Swarm 1.1
4 Expansion of Civilization- Strike Cruisers
3 Tarsis-class Escort Frigates
8 Knife- class Raiding Frigates

yeah, that is a light escort
Yup.

good point

Rogue 9 · Post by **Rogue 9** » 2004-09-21 01:15am

Bugsby wrote:
Agent Fisher wrote:Things will get very interesting when i show up

Will, i be attacked, and if so by whom, or will i be left alone.

The answer to these question and more on the next AS THE GALAXY GOES TO HELL IN A HAND BASKET aka the STGOD
You're way too paranoid. When Thirdfain looks at you and says "The Spartans are an inconvenience," that's when you start to shake.

Which will be happening. You think he's going to stop after he's done with us? And frankly, I'd call SPARTANs more than an inconvenience.

Thirdfain · Post by **Thirdfain** » 2004-09-21 01:28am

And frankly, I'd call SPARTANs more than an inconvenience.

*shrug* When it comes to badass Specfor, I've got more in terms of quantity and quality.

Which will be happening. You think he's going to stop after he's done with us?

I sure s hell think I will be. I'm gonna take heavy losses, and won't be in position to smash anyone when this war winds down.

Agent Fisher · Post by **Agent Fisher** » 2004-09-21 01:38am

Thirdfain wrote:
And frankly, I'd call SPARTANs more than an inconvenience.
*shrug* When it comes to badass Specfor, I've got more in terms of quantity and quality.

Dont be putting down my SPARTANs. They may not be modified like the ones in HALO, but they will be soon

Murazor · Post by **Murazor** » 2004-09-21 06:54am

Murazor, considering my 50% firepower advantage and my sacrificing of most o f my bomber units in attacking your capships, I'd appreciate if you took, in fact, heavieer casualties to your capship wall than I did, i.e, that last Attack Carrier should be damaged or destroyed.

Considering that your 50% firepower advantage was used in blasting my escorts to smithereens (I have suffered over four time more escort casualties than you), my very superior shield resistance and the fact that it had to retreat because it almost lost all shielding, I think that current situation is fair. Some small damage is acceptable, but no failure of critical systems, for I would have also appreciated it if you had staid for the fighting.

And now, before posting I need to ask something. What range do interdiction fields usually have? Because you jumped through the "gaps" in my interdiction fields to "the edge of the system". We can be talking about millions upon millions of kilometers here and if I can't blow them, my guys are running away before the arrival of your reinforcements.

Thirdfain · Post by **Thirdfain** » 2004-09-21 11:17am

Considering that your 50% firepower advantage was used in blasting my escorts to smithereens (I have suffered over four time more escort casualties than you), my very superior shield resistance and the fact that it had to retreat because it almost lost all shielding, I think that current situation is fair. Some small damage is acceptable, but no failure of critical systems, for I would have also appreciated it if you had staid for the fighting.

I'm sure you would have, but I wasn't in the mood to commit Fleet Seppuku just to cripple an equal number of your ships.

Agreed, BTW, on your losses. My bad.

As for the interdictors, I see them as having a max range about equal to max gun range, so you can tacjump into missile range against an interdictor protected fleet (though we all know the problems with tacjumping...)

Straha · Post by **Straha** » 2004-09-21 11:59am

Rogue 9 wrote:
Stormbringer wrote:
Rogue 9 wrote:Who's not showing up? Please, point to where I said that.
Well, you're not there now are you? And in about ten minutes neither are those defenses either. At the very least that sort of defeat is going to cause a massive civil unrest and I intend to play that out, with the mod's permission. This is going to cost you.

And of course if this is the prelude to some hairbrained scheme let me use this now:
On the contrary, this sort of attack is going to recreate the Pearl Harbor effect, and I intend to play that out.

Pearl Harbor was a suprise attack without a war, that's why it was such an effective propaganda ploy for Roosevelt. This is like leaving Pearl Harbor unguarded after you've been at war with the Japanese for days, and then when you know Pearl Harbor is about to be attacked, not rushing you carriers/active battle fleet there to help them when you very well could.

In other words, you go up there and say, "This is a day that shall live in infamy!"

Your people will go, "Yeah, the day you fucked us over, screwed over our friends on Mintar, and then left them out to dry."

Also, I could point out, this will have an effect on your economy by making food prices go way up, and not to mention cutting off the Bananas from the Ice Cream parlors, and we already know where THAT will take you.

Straha · Post by **Straha** » 2004-09-21 12:00pm

Agent Fisher wrote:
Thirdfain wrote:
And frankly, I'd call SPARTANs more than an inconvenience.
*shrug* When it comes to badass Specfor, I've got more in terms of quantity and quality.
Dont be putting down my SPARTANs. They may not be modified like the ones in HALO, but they will be soon

Just so you know, that would be like going out of your way to spit/kick/smack Monacora in the balls, then try to steal our girlfriend, mother, father, grandparents, brothers, kids, all the while posting inimate pictures of Monacora's private moments on the web for open laughter and ridicule.

Or, to give a more recent analogy, like what Germany did to Britain when it tried to build a navy before WWI.

So... don't. Or if you do, make sure you get our approval first (I.E. you ally with us, then you slowly go through the steps with our careful eye watching you while you start making super-soldiers, then stopping the program when and where we tell you to stop)

Thirdfain · Post by **Thirdfain** » 2004-09-21 12:01pm

Monacora has private intimate moments?

Straha · Post by **Straha** » 2004-09-21 12:02pm

Thirdfain wrote:Monacora has private intimate moments?

Post by **Alyrium Denryle** » 2004-09-21 12:32pm

Straha wrote:
Agent Fisher wrote:
Thirdfain wrote: *shrug* When it comes to badass Specfor, I've got more in terms of quantity and quality.
Dont be putting down my SPARTANs. They may not be modified like the ones in HALO, but they will be soon
Just so you know, that would be like going out of your way to spit/kick/smack Monacora in the balls, then try to steal our girlfriend, mother, father, grandparents, brothers, kids, all the while posting inimate pictures of Monacora's private moments on the web for open laughter and ridicule.

Or, to give a more recent analogy, like what Germany did to Britain when it tried to build a navy before WWI.

So... don't. Or if you do, make sure you get our approval first (I.E. you ally with us, then you slowly go through the steps with our careful eye watching you while you start making super-soldiers, then stopping the program when and where we tell you to stop)

Or, you know..he could keep his sovereignty

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2004-09-21 12:36pm

Rogue 9 wrote:On the contrary, this sort of attack is going to recreate the Pearl Harbor effect, and I intend to play that out.

Are you on crack?!?

The Alliance initiated the war.

The Asgard have declared war and have made prior attacks.

You were the one that cut and ran.

AND YOU EXCEPT YOUR PEOPLE TO GAIN A MORALE BOOST?

Once again, I will ask: are you on drugs?

Rogue 9 wrote:Also, that planetary shield can hold for hours. It does not take hours for my fleet to mass and come down on you like a ton of bricks. If you really plan on taking and holding Mintar, let me use this now:

Unless you invested a lot more into that sheild than you have apparently have, it's not going to hold up to the undivided attention of half a navy for long.

Oh, and unless you're planning on posting an OOB, I'll assume all the ships got out the backdoor as I get there.

Murazor · Post by **Murazor** » 2004-09-21 01:16pm

Thirdfain wrote:I'm sure you would have, but I wasn't in the mood to commit Fleet Seppuku just to cripple an equal number of your ships.

Agreed, BTW, on your losses. My bad.

As for the interdictors, I see them as having a max range about equal to max gun range, so you can tacjump into missile range against an interdictor protected fleet (though we all know the problems with tacjumping...)

Glad about this. I will be posting several things later today or early tomorrow in order to recover the pace. How many days behind the other campaigns are us exactly?

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » 2004-09-21 01:19pm

Alyrium Denryle wrote:Or, you know..he could keep his sovereignty

Why would Monacora give a damn about his sovereignty when they're doing something Monacora doesn't like?

Rogue 9 · Post by **Rogue 9** » 2004-09-21 01:25pm

The Alliance initiated the war.

Nope. You guys did. We defended one of our allies from someone not in the Unification, and the Unification just goes and blindsides us. We hardly initiated war with you.

The Asgard have declared war and have made prior attacks.

1.) Unjustly so, and 2.) are now escalating the war in a big way.

You were the one that cut and ran.

For a good half an hour while I gather my fleet. Ooooooo, scary!

AND YOU EXCEPT YOUR PEOPLE TO GAIN A MORALE BOOST?

Yep.

Once again, I will ask: are you on drugs?

Nope.

Unless you invested a lot more into that sheild than you have apparently have, it's not going to hold up to the undivided attention of half a navy for long.

It won't have to.

Oh, and unless you're planning on posting an OOB, I'll assume all the ships got out the backdoor as I get there.

Fine, but that is basically what they're going to do at first.

Rogue 9 · Post by **Rogue 9** » 2004-09-21 01:26pm

SirNitram wrote:
Alyrium Denryle wrote:Or, you know..he could keep his sovereignty
Why would Monacora give a damn about his sovereignty when they're doing something Monacora doesn't like?

Why would he give a damn about telling Monacora what he's doing with his special ops forces?

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » 2004-09-21 01:29pm

Rogue 9 wrote:
The Alliance initiated the war.
Nope. You guys did. We defended one of our allies from someone not in the Unification, and the Unification just goes and blindsides us. We hardly initiated war with you.

It'd be asking alot for you to stop being a hypocritical little liar and keep the IC in the IC thread, wouldn't it?

Again, as we've been over, the Alliance made this a war. The Unification was standing back, ready to grab Thirdfain's leash if he did more than he vowed he would. But, you leapt straight into the trap, turning this from a well-contained tragedy to a full blown war. The Alliance declared war as a bloc. The Unification responded. Deal with it.

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » 2004-09-21 01:30pm

Rogue 9 wrote:
SirNitram wrote:
Alyrium Denryle wrote:Or, you know..he could keep his sovereignty
Why would Monacora give a damn about his sovereignty when they're doing something Monacora doesn't like?
Why would he give a damn about telling Monacora what he's doing with his special ops forces?

Threat of asskicking. Promise of trade agreements. Potential alliances. You know, all those things nations exercise over each other every day, but you're completely unfamiliar with.

Thirdfain · Post by **Thirdfain** » 2004-09-21 01:32pm

Quote:
AND YOU EXCEPT YOUR PEOPLE TO GAIN A MORALE BOOST?

Yep.

Um, bullshit?

Rogue 9 · Post by **Rogue 9** » 2004-09-21 01:40pm

SirNitram wrote:
Rogue 9 wrote:
The Alliance initiated the war.
Nope. You guys did. We defended one of our allies from someone not in the Unification, and the Unification just goes and blindsides us. We hardly initiated war with you.
It'd be asking alot for you to stop being a hypocritical little liar and keep the IC in the IC thread, wouldn't it?

Again, as we've been over, the Alliance made this a war. The Unification was standing back, ready to grab Thirdfain's leash if he did more than he vowed he would. But, you leapt straight into the trap, turning this from a well-contained tragedy to a full blown war. The Alliance declared war as a bloc. The Unification responded. Deal with it.

Who's lying? The Ousters are not in the Unification, they were unilaterally attacking an Alliance member, the purpose of the Alliance is to keep such things from occurring, and you honestly think we wouldn't do anything about it? Besides, as any sane human being can see, Thirdfain's stated goals are inhuman and unacceptable to civilized societies. His stated goal was to murder over 6 million civilians! What part of this do you not comprehend? The Unification is going to war to prevent us from stopping the Ouster genocide, and now as my populace sees it, they are trying to put an end to the Republic. What do you think they're going to do, eh? Agitate for me to stop fighting so they can be rolled up and added to the Asgard Stellar Empire? I think not.