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InnocentBystander wrote:So is it a giant hypnosis cannon?

which ignores shields...brilliant!

*blows a whistle*

Thirdfain wrote:Hmm... I wonder how to close the dimensional gates. I was planning on tossing a nuke through each one and then covering it in a couple megatons of concrete. I suppose the Vampires have a more elegant solution in mind?

Those that can't be closed by reversing the magical processes that opened them we were also planning to bury under artificial mountains. With the added benefit of some magical seals etc. As the gates are on the planets, I think we'll handle that end.

Frigidmagi's move:
it was prudent to recognize my claims, as they were based at least somewhat in law and it would have limited his war to a single front, against the Ousters. But I the plan fell apart when Straha moved in, I doubt he'll be able to stand against the Ousters and Monacorans simultaneously.

As for penetrating shields with hypnosis beams: no. I am generally opposed to 'clever' tricks like that. You want to knock something out which is heavily shielded, then beat the shields in some way.

Pablo Sanchez wrote:Frigidmagi's move:
it was prudent to recognize my claims, as they were based at least somewhat in law and it would have limited his war to a single front, against the Ousters. But I the plan fell apart when Straha moved in, I doubt he'll be able to stand against the Ousters and Monacorans simultaneously.

However, his inability to notice that the Hajr are moving to let in floaters who previously occupied that space is political suicide, and with the Hajr lawsuit against GWN still unresolved, well...it's not going to be pretty, even if Frigidmagi wins this fight.

The timing of the Ouster move might be questionable, but the motive certainly isn't, unless someone is metagaming up the wazoo.

And throwing entire fleets away when we have more pressing concerns, well...it's not the wisest move in existance, but hey.

Fight called on account of diplomacy.

Drat.

The timing of the Ouster move might be questionable, but the motive certainly isn't, unless someone is metagaming up the wazoo.

Someone had to stand up to my massive expansion eventually, and this was as good a time as any, under as good a flimsy excuse as any. I don't think many powers would have come rushing to my aid if it came to war...

Thirdfain wrote:Actually, Sharkbait, I don't think it would work at all. Your race only made first contct with mankind a few weeks ago. I doubt you would have had time to adapt a weapon likely built to induce such psychological fuckups in your own people to effect the vastly different brain chemistries and makeups of humans.

Never mind the fact Ousters aren't even raised by mothers or fathers, and probably don't even have an Oedipal complex....

It is not chemically based, but rather empathically based. It has already been demonstrated that we can communicate with humans telepathically, the Freud cannon merely serves to amplify pre-existing telepathy.

It is literally a psychological weapon. And it is a short lived effect with a slow recharge rate.

which ignores shields...brilliant!

*blows a whistle*

No, are you familiar with the concept of Id Ego and Superego? It is not hypnosis, what happens in the strong willed, is that the superego asserts dominance, and... Can you say massive catholic guilt trip?(It's ok, I am catholic)

In the week willed, the ID goes on a rampage...(Zip fapfapfap spurt)

Never mind the fact Ousters aren't even raised by mothers or fathers, and probably don't even have an Oedipal complex....

It doesnt have to be an Oedipus complex. Considering the anarchial nature of your people, it is safe to assume that there is ot much of a superego in place. That is a lot of guilt to catch up on.

Shark Bait wrote:No, are you familiar with the concept of Id Ego and Superego? It is not hypnosis, what happens in the strong willed, is that the superego asserts dominance, and... Can you say massive catholic guilt trip?(It's ok, I am catholic)

In the week willed, the ID goes on a rampage...(Zip fapfapfap spurt)

Still doesn't penetrate shields, sorry.

And, yes, I am familiar with the concept of ID, Ego, and Superego. Id doesn't mean that you immediately sit down and start jacking off. It means you act without concern of what is right, wrong, or logical, and often without a sense of self-preservation. Boom, you've just made a group of people who wanted to just stop you before now want to KILL YOU AND RAPE YOUR MOTHERS!!

Look, it's a silly weapon, and it's based on theories of psychology which are generally not considered valid in the first place. It's destined for the junkheap, I'm afraid.

Still doesn't penetrate shields, sorry.

Why not? It has a limited duration, does not damage the ship, and becausae I helped him design his ships, it was designed for defense.
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Not only that, but there is no mechanism for a shield to block a telepathic attack like that

It means you act without concern of what is right, wrong, or logical, and often without a sense of self-preservation. Boom, you've just made a group of people who wanted to just stop you before now want to KILL YOU AND RAPE YOUR MOTHERS!!

YOur knowledge of Freudian Psych needs updating. The Id is focused around the "pleasure principle" in other words, the person will seek immediate pleasure. Be it sex, food, or physical sensation. Violence is not direct or immediate.

Basically what you would see from the weak willed is a lack of ability to delay gratification. They would start petting themselves, jerking off, eating far to much, and having emotional outbreaks(much like haivng your frontal lobe severed.) There would be a lack if impulse control)

The stronger willed ones would go in the complete opposite direction. Their superego wold take over, lock the Id into a cage and put it in a straight Jacket. There would be no impulses. All urges to gratify oneself would be oppressed as all the past guilt catches up with the individual and sends tham into a catholic-like state of lent-induced pre-confessional guilt that would put ethnic mothers to shame(Shark Baits mom is Sicilian and a cradle catholic both of us know this far to well).

It would basically have the effect of disabling a ships non-automated functions long enough to escape.

Freud Cannon is a quite stupid idea...

And shield-ignoring? Ha!

Though should you use it on me, you'll be negatively surprised. When you don't have an active biological brain to use it on it, it can get rather uneventful.

It is not chemically based, but rather empathically based. It has already been demonstrated that we can communicate with humans telepathically, the Freud cannon merely serves to amplify pre-existing telepathy.

It is literally a psychological weapon. And it is a short lived effect with a slow recharge rate.

Who gives a shit? Alien minds will work fantastically differently from your own. Sending basic concepts is one thing, inciting large-scale misbehavior is another. Besides, telepathy doesn't work through sheilds, or armor for that matter. This will be treated as a large riot control cannon, nothing more.

Alyrium Denryle wrote:Why not? It has a limited duration, does not damage the ship, and becausae I helped him design his ships, it was designed for defense.

Because a shielf-penetrating mind-altering weapon is stupid and unbalanced.

Not only that, but there is no mechanism for a shield to block a telepathic attack like that

And I'd argue there is no mechanism for penetrating shields, telepathic or no.

YOur knowledge of Freudian Psych needs updating. The Id is focused around the "pleasure principle" in other words, the person will seek immediate pleasure. Be it sex, food, or physical sensation. Violence is not direct or immediate.

Actually, ID involves risk-taking as well. There are two parts to it, one which seeks continual pleasure, and one which seeks immediate pleasure, no matter the risk. I just got done taking a college level psych course, so I dare say my knowledge of the subject is perhaps a bit more up to date than yours. If need be, however, I'm sure Marcao (who is a psych major with an honest to gosh degree in the matter) will be more than willing to let you know what all is wrong with this thing.

It would basically have the effect of disabling a ships non-automated functions long enough to escape.

It's a silly idea, and destined for the scrapheap.

Anyone else wondering how a FTL system based off being thrown by a specialized station can be used to get back to your homeworld once you've been thrown?

SirNitram wrote:Anyone else wondering how a FTL system based off being thrown by a specialized station can be used to get back to your homeworld once you've been thrown?

Somewhat, yes.

Of course, Laz is about to learn why a slingshot system isn't all that great for entering a system which has approved vectors, and tends to destroy all ships not on those approved vectors.

SirNitram wrote:Anyone else wondering how a FTL system based off being thrown by a specialized station can be used to get back to your homeworld once you've been thrown?

It's can't really.

It's a trade off, it's really really fast, but unless your brining a portable station with you, it has limited tactical flexiblity.

Hotfoot wrote:

SirNitram wrote:Anyone else wondering how a FTL system based off being thrown by a specialized station can be used to get back to your homeworld once you've been thrown?

Somewhat, yes.

Of course, Laz is about to learn why a slingshot system isn't all that great for entering a system which has approved vectors, and tends to destroy all ships not on those approved vectors.

We didn't come in on a vector as far as you see, we just appeared and then transmitted.

Hotfoot wrote:Ravenlock Consortium Space
Ravenlock Sector
Corvus

The unidentified vessel was tracked coming into Ravenlock space before it even reached the outer colonies. Someone had spent a considerable amount of time coming out to the rim, a pity they didn’t spend any of that time reading the warning signs. Beta Fleet, at the command of Admiral Clay, was in charge of the defense of the Ravenlock Sector, and he had personally watched the path of this unknown, inbound target heading straight for Corvus. This was not good, not good at all. It could be a Mechanoid scout ship, or a Loyalist Dra’kol suicide ship. The battlegroup under Clay’s immediate command prepared an intercept course and waited, weapons charged and shields activated. The planetary shields were activated, and a general advisory was given to the population. If someone was coming here for trouble, they were going to get it.

When the Kitan ship appeared, it was facing down an entire Ravenlock battlegroup, lead by a Dreadnought, which immediately locked and brought weapons to bear on the ship. Admiral Clay opened a comms channel the second the ship appeared. <<Attention unidentified vessel. You have violated Consortium controlled space on an unapproved entry vector. You will shut down all non-essential systems and prepare to be boarded, or you will be destroyed. You will comply now, do I make myself clear?>>

Uh.........no.

An early warning system woudln't do you much good, even if it could detect a wormhole that lasts a total of a few second (which only a very very good network could) you would have a few seconds, maybe half a minuete's warning.

lazerus wrote:

Hotfoot wrote:

SirNitram wrote:Anyone else wondering how a FTL system based off being thrown by a specialized station can be used to get back to your homeworld once you've been thrown?

Somewhat, yes.

Of course, Laz is about to learn why a slingshot system isn't all that great for entering a system which has approved vectors, and tends to destroy all ships not on those approved vectors.

We didn't come in on a vector as far as you see, we just appeared and then transmitted.

You are aware that 'Vector' describes a region of space as well, as in the approved entry zones?

SirNitram wrote:

lazerus wrote:

Hotfoot wrote:Somewhat, yes.

Of course, Laz is about to learn why a slingshot system isn't all that great for entering a system which has approved vectors, and tends to destroy all ships not on those approved vectors.

We didn't come in on a vector as far as you see, we just appeared and then transmitted.

You are aware that 'Vector' describes a region of space as well, as in the approved entry zones?

Oh, I thought it meant "approach vector" nevermind.

lazerus wrote:

SirNitram wrote:

lazerus wrote: We didn't come in on a vector as far as you see, we just appeared and then transmitted.

You are aware that 'Vector' describes a region of space as well, as in the approved entry zones?

Oh, I thought it meant "approach vector" nevermind.

It does. The region of space one materializes in when approaching the planet.

Also, isn't this power supposed to be a downgrade? Why, therefore, do you feel you get super-tech that no one else can detect?

lazerus wrote:Uh.........no.

An early warning system woudln't do you much good, even if it could detect a wormhole that lasts a total of a few second (which only a very very good network could)

Not quite. You see, in terms of space-time disruption, a wormhole is a really big thing. Compared to a wormhole, the entire power output of a battleship in combat is quite minor. Your drive is literally tearing a certain sector of space-time to shreds; a wormhole is a major cosmological event and would be quite easily detected as it was created.

SirNitram wrote:

lazerus wrote:

SirNitram wrote: You are aware that 'Vector' describes a region of space as well, as in the approved entry zones?

Oh, I thought it meant "approach vector" nevermind.

It does. The region of space one materializes in when approaching the planet.

Also, isn't this power supposed to be a downgrade? Why, therefore, do you feel you get super-tech that no one else can detect?

Because it comes with a vast set of flaws.

Pablo Sanchez wrote:

lazerus wrote:Uh.........no.

An early warning system woudln't do you much good, even if it could detect a wormhole that lasts a total of a few second (which only a very very good network could)

Not quite. You see, in terms of space-time disruption, a wormhole is a really big thing. Compared to a wormhole, the entire power output of a battleship in combat is quite minor. Your drive is literally tearing a certain sector of space-time to shreds; a wormhole is a major cosmological event and would be quite easily detected as it was created.

Ok, true, my bad.

But I stand by my point that it's quick enough that while you could scramble defences, you don't have the time to get a full battlegroup in position.

lazerus wrote:

Pablo Sanchez wrote:

lazerus wrote:Uh.........no.

An early warning system woudln't do you much good, even if it could detect a wormhole that lasts a total of a few second (which only a very very good network could)

Not quite. You see, in terms of space-time disruption, a wormhole is a really big thing. Compared to a wormhole, the entire power output of a battleship in combat is quite minor. Your drive is literally tearing a certain sector of space-time to shreds; a wormhole is a major cosmological event and would be quite easily detected as it was created.

Ok, true, my bad.

But I stand by my point that it's quick enough that while you could scramble defences, you don't have the time to get a full battlegroup in position.

I stand by my earlier statement that you were ordered to take a downgrade, not get a power with supertech that can't be countered.

lazerus wrote:Ok, true, my bad.

But I stand by my point that it's quick enough that while you could scramble defences, you don't have the time to get a full battlegroup in position.

Nope, sorry, FTL can only go so fast, and I'm outside of known space, meaning it will take you days to get to me. Meaning your wormhole is going to appear long before you can get to me.

Here's the deal. Either it's the battlegroup, and your people can get the chance make it out of here alive, or it's planetary defenses, which are not so inclined to ask you nicely to go away before blowing the crap out of you. I was feeling generous, so you got Clay.

Edit: And I should note that you are attacking my HOMEWORLD with this thing, I don't have all of Beta Fleet there, but you can damn well bet that a Battlegroup is either there or nearby at all times.

SirNitram wrote:

lazerus wrote:

Pablo Sanchez wrote: Not quite. You see, in terms of space-time disruption, a wormhole is a really big thing. Compared to a wormhole, the entire power output of a battleship in combat is quite minor. Your drive is literally tearing a certain sector of space-time to shreds; a wormhole is a major cosmological event and would be quite easily detected as it was created.

Ok, true, my bad.

But I stand by my point that it's quick enough that while you could scramble defences, you don't have the time to get a full battlegroup in position.

I stand by my earlier statement that you were ordered to take a downgrade, not get a power with supertech that can't be countered.

I stand by the fact that the ability to send ships really fast isn't all that millitary usefull when I have a negligable millitary, the ships couldn't return home, and it isn't an issue given that their peacefull!

Also, I have recieved a massive downgrade in ships and planets. Not a downgrade in tech.