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DarthShady wrote:

PeZook wrote:Shady, it's not really an insult to send a cabinet-level representative instead of a national leader. A foreign minister should know all there is to know about policies of the nation he represents, after all, and it's quite understandable that a head of state may not always be available.

Yeah, I know. But considering the purpose of the event, I thought it would be reasonable for the nations leader to attend personally.

Perhaps, but considering the personalities of all involved, it may not be such a swell idea to have everyone show up (plus, imagine the pressure on poor Cascadia!). After all, putting the Huang Di and Sidney Hank in the same room might not be a good idea. So certain considerations might want to be taken into account along those lines. As well as the security concerns of having all those leaders in one spot.

We might want to consider a leader or two for a "public face" with the other representitives foreign ministers and such. Perhaps with an eye on those generally seen as the cooler heads (remember the CSR representitive walking out of the Frequseuan negotiations?). Hopefully, foreign ministers and Exarchs or whoever will be briefed to, y'know, not do that. It would be...bad for cooling relations.

Fingolfin_Noldor wrote:You know, when I joined the MESS during the last game, it was after a glorious fuck tonne of PM conversations. Then off I went and declared that I left OMSK.

Shortly thereafter, after another round of PM conversations, between me and Stas, Stas decides to leave OMSK.

Are some of you suggesting that every fucking bit of that should be posted up? I don't have to point out that OMSK died a very fucking quick death and there was very little indication in-game that it would die.

I thought at least some of those were public or got reposted? And to be fair, Shep is the one who killed OMSK. And we weren't exactly going for the slighter level of "realism" we strive for here, remember. Our people were basically lemmings who'd support us to the death.

Now, they're less so as the premise of this version goes. So things are a bit different this round than last time, admittedly.

EDIT: Also, as memory serves, in the middle of all that is when Shep was doing his Libertia thing, and the UAR formed. And very shortly thereafter he shot those nukes at my convoy, which very nearly started a war. There were a lot of tensions during that period, and damned near a full-out nuclear war. So it wasn't quite the same as this. And definately not very pretty.

RogueIce wrote:I thought at least some of those were public or got reposted? And to be fair, Shep is the one who killed OMSK. And we weren't exactly going for the slighter level of "realism" we strive for here, remember. Our people were basically lemmings who'd support us to the death.

Now, they're less so as the premise of this version goes. So things are a bit different this round than last time, admittedly.

Nope. None of the stuff that went through PMs was mentioned in game because it was all supposed to be secret arrangements instead because Shep was not supposed to know that there was a MESS member now on his west most flank.

Fingolfin_Noldor wrote:

RogueIce wrote:I thought at least some of those were public or got reposted? And to be fair, Shep is the one who killed OMSK. And we weren't exactly going for the slighter level of "realism" we strive for here, remember. Our people were basically lemmings who'd support us to the death.

Now, they're less so as the premise of this version goes. So things are a bit different this round than last time, admittedly.

Nope. None of the stuff that went through PMs was mentioned in game because it was all supposed to be secret arrangements instead because Shep was not supposed to know that there was a MESS member now on his west most flank.

Ah. Well, we got away with more. Because we didn't know as much then.

Plus, see my edit. Those were not exactly "good times" either. And the UAR wasn't thrilled with us doing that sort of thing. Heck, remember why we got nuked in the first place, over fears of some secret first strike plot. Granted it was OOC and blah blah blah, but secret, sudden major changes are not a good thing to those on the outside. As we learned when our last world went up in nuclear fire.

Ok, I am making a locations map for the Vineyards in regards to Frequesue, with the politcal divisions, what states are officially in CATO/CATO Observers/Applicants, which are officially MESS/MESS Observers/MESS Applicants?

So far Frequesque has Tian Jiao, which is a MESS member (as a province of Tian Xia), and The Vinyards/Eutopia which has fused together and is a MESS Observer.

I'm CATO, obviously. So's the NFT, and our various bits of the CFR. The ASFR is a UCSR client state. That's about it.

Master_Baerne wrote:I'm CATO, obviously. So's the NFT, and our various bits of the CFR. The ASFR is a UCSR client state. That's about it.

Are they officially, I thought that the CSR had adopted an attitude of apathy to the ASFR? Also, did Mirata make any moves towards CATO, or are they just moving warships around for kicks?

Hi. Beowulf and Steve have somehow persuaded me to pop back in.

I'll be posting a bit about my new bomber (because no one objected) sometime late this week (after I get my [rather ugly] taxes finished).

Karmic Knight wrote:

Master_Baerne wrote:I'm CATO, obviously. So's the NFT, and our various bits of the CFR. The ASFR is a UCSR client state. That's about it.

Are they officially, I thought that the CSR had adopted an attitude of apathy to the ASFR? Also, did Mirata make any moves towards CATO, or are they just moving warships around for kicks?

Since Shady expects to be able to order them to meet with, you I'd say the AFSR is firmly in the UCSRs pocket still. You've a point about Miratia; I'll let Ryan answer that.

Master_Baerne wrote:Since Shady expects to be able to order them to meet with, you I'd say the AFSR is firmly in the UCSRs pocket still. You've a point about Miratia; I'll let Ryan answer that.

I don't know, the UCSR would most definitely have tons of pull, but I'm not sure that it would be a full client state, massively indebted to the UCSR yes.

Beowulf wrote:[ooc]Anyone ready for a mindfuck?[/ooc]

Fucking Awesome.

See, Beowulf, this is why nobody in Frequesque trusts you. Selling countries to the evil hypercapitalists...

Master_Baerne wrote:See, Beowulf, this is why nobody in Frequesque trusts you. Selling countries to the evil hypercapitalists...

Countries I don't own, no less. Good luck proving it though.

I wasn't planning to try. I believe Indhopal is the resident Implausible-But-Still-True-Conspiracy Theorist.

DarthShady wrote:
Oh please, like Stas didn't do you a favor. You've got the whole crater to yourself now.

Everyone knows it was the smart thing to do, otherwise Shep would have killed us all, again. Like he did last time and tried it this time as well.

Doesn't matter. All it proved what was that you people were just as willing to committed genocide as Shepistan was, especially if you thought you could get away with it(Double hilarious because Stas gave tacit approval for Shepistan's BW attack on Astaria). The difference being that Shepistan did it openly.

phongn wrote:Hi. Beowulf and Steve have somehow persuaded me to pop back in.

YAY! Welcome back!

Master_Baerne wrote:See, Beowulf, this is why nobody in Frequesque trusts you. Selling countries to the evil hypercapitalists...

Good sir, we are amoral, not immoral.

phongn wrote:

Master_Baerne wrote:See, Beowulf, this is why nobody in Frequesque trusts you. Selling countries to the evil hypercapitalists...

Good sir, we are amoral, not immoral.

You also luanch without warnign causing my night shift guys to piss in their coffee before they realized that it was just an everyday kinda thing...but now they can tell their kids about the awful night when they had the watch and the world almost didn't come to an end.

Selling "the rights" of Klavostan to Tonkin changes my position not at all really. I was perfectly willing to back the coup leaders, no matter how bloody they end up needing to be to win.

I also was and still am willing to risk a nuclear exchange over this so everyone think really carefully before you commit military forces to Klavostan.

Karmic Knight wrote:

Master_Baerne wrote:I'm CATO, obviously. So's the NFT, and our various bits of the CFR. The ASFR is a UCSR client state. That's about it.

Are they officially, I thought that the CSR had adopted an attitude of apathy to the ASFR? Also, did Mirata make any moves towards CATO, or are they just moving warships around for kicks?

As far as the rest of you are concerned, yes.

Officially, Miratia is allied with CATO, but not a member of it. I'd have the Assembly screaming for my head on a plate if I joined them publicly, but they realize that A: we can't exactly hold our ground when push comes to shove, B: that San Dorado is CATO and we get along well with them, and C: that we don't trust Tian Xia, so they're willing to settle for that arrangement.

Now that the shock has worn off a bit I have this to say to Beowulf: Bravo sir, Bravo. I think you succceeded admirably at doing what absolutely no one was expecting.

It will also be interesting to see how we all deal with the Sultan issue, as no one actually has the real body .

Ryan Thunder wrote:I didn't realize that we were supposed to be roleplaying ourselves. I just picked a suitably alien-sounding name and ran with it.

Hmm... early elections...

EDIT: Actually, no. I'll just have him transmute into myself... And insist upon being called Ryan. Or something.

Well, we were transplanted into other people with their own memories this time around

Ugh. My OOB is terribly out of date by this point and I'm going to have to put serious thought into how it gets updated. The IRT has been transitioning much of the RTAF into an air-defense/strategic warfare alignment; the Navy has undergone some expansion (and is preparing to begin to move to nuclear propulsion).

Indhopal would be advised to tread very carefully against a Great Power who has repeatedly noted that it will use nuclear weapons liberally.

Yes, I have a space shuttle now, and it's bigger and much better than our timeline's shuttle.

phongn wrote:Ugh. My OOB is terribly out of date by this point and I'm going to have to put serious thought into how it gets updated. The IRT has been transitioning much of the RTAF into an air-defense/strategic warfare alignment; the Navy has undergone some expansion (and is preparing to begin to move to nuclear propulsion).

Indhopal would be advised to tread very carefully against a Great Power who has repeatedly noted that it will use nuclear weapons liberally.

Yes, I have a space shuttle now, and it's bigger and much better than our timeline's shuttle.

Er what? Ok. Then it's time for CATO to roll out its own Shuttle, for tests first of course. Running up to 2018-2020 deployment.

Oh, just to warn everybody, my writing is going to become intentionally nutty for the next little while, since I'm going to be sort of having my OOC self interacting with my IC self as its written.

Hence the pseudo-conversation in the middle with the exposition/narrator.

If it gets too confusing, I'll stop.