Trayvon Martin Case (Zimmerman charged; 2nd deg. murder)

[aerius]

Alright, I'm calling shenanigans. I watched the videos posted on that site, which were even better quality than the ones on CNN that I saw and they didn't look at all like he had an injury to the back of his head. The supposed "injury" to the back of the head appears for like 2 frames in the entire video, with the rest of it showing his head to be shiny and clean with no injury visible at all. Despite that, the website catches a still of a dark something that isn't consistently there and makes a screencap suggesting that all the other videos have been somehow doctored? Yeah, right. Those video clearly show no visible injuries on the guy, that isn't evidence that NBC and ABC are doctoring the "evidence" for some reason. What this shows is your dishonesty on the matter, not theres.

Further, what is there motive for "doctoring" those videos anyway? What does NBC care? I expect you to provide evidence for what ever you claim is there motive for lying about it.

The police report, at least the portion of it which is available to the public states that Zimmerman had injuries to his nose and the back of his head. Now it's possible that the police report is mistaken or falsified, but that would mean that all the police officers and paramedics involved either lied on the report, were completely mistaken on the injuries and/or let the lie/mistake pass. IF this is true it makes all of them liable as accessories to murder 2 or manslaughter which is pretty serious shit, now the cops might think they can get away with that (blue wall of silence & all) but I doubt the paramedics would go for it.

This is why I give the videos the benefit of the doubt, there appears to be an injury which is consistent with what's stated in the police reports.

As for NBC, uh, hello, they were caught tampering with the 911 recording in a way that made it blatantly racist. Why? I don't fucking know. When they turned this:

Zimmerman: This guy looks like he’s up to no good. Or he’s on drugs or something. It’s raining and he’s just walking around, looking about.
Dispatcher: OK, and this guy — is he black, white or Hispanic?
Zimmerman: He looks black.

Into this

Zimmerman: This guy looks like he’s up to no good. He looks black.

They deserve to get fined to hell and get banned from reporting news.

[Chirios]

Alright, I'm calling shenanigans. I watched the videos posted on that site, which were even better quality than the ones on CNN that I saw and they didn't look at all like he had an injury to the back of his head. The supposed "injury" to the back of the head appears for like 2 frames in the entire video, with the rest of it showing his head to be shiny and clean with no injury visible at all. Despite that, the website catches a still of a dark something that isn't consistently there and makes a screencap suggesting that all the other videos have been somehow doctored? Yeah, right. Those video clearly show no visible injuries on the guy, that isn't evidence that NBC and ABC are doctoring the "evidence" for some reason. What this shows is your dishonesty on the matter, not theres.

Further, what is there motive for "doctoring" those videos anyway? What does NBC care? I expect you to provide evidence for what ever you claim is there motive for lying about it.

The police report, at least the portion of it which is available to the public states that Zimmerman had injuries to his nose and the back of his head. Now it's possible that the police report is mistaken or falsified, but that would mean that all the police officers and paramedics involved either lied on the report, were completely mistaken on the injuries and/or let the lie/mistake pass. IF this is true it makes all of them liable as accessories to murder 2 or manslaughter which is pretty serious shit, now the cops might think they can get away with that (blue wall of silence & all) but I doubt the paramedics would go for it.

This is why I give the videos the benefit of the doubt, there appears to be an injury which is consistent with what's stated in the police reports.

As for NBC, uh, hello, they were caught tampering with the 911 recording in a way that made it blatantly racist. Why? I don't fucking know. When they turned this:

Zimmerman: This guy looks like he’s up to no good. Or he’s on drugs or something. It’s raining and he’s just walking around, looking about.
Dispatcher: OK, and this guy — is he black, white or Hispanic?
Zimmerman: He looks black.

Into this

Zimmerman: This guy looks like he’s up to no good. He looks black.

They deserve to get fined to hell and get banned from reporting news.

Wow. That's legitimately terrible. How the hell did they think they could get away with that?

[ArmorPierce]

Same reason fox gets away with it. News agencies are not required to tell the truth.

[Beowulf]

They weren't thinking about how they would get away with it. They assumed they would. They were thinking about trying to get eyeballs on their ads by promoting content that's inflamatory.

[Akhlut]

You know what this story needs?

Neo-Nazis making armed patrols in Sanford, FL.

Neo-Nazis are currently conducting heavily armed patrols in and around Sanford, Florida and are "prepared" for violence in the case of a race riot. The patrols are to protect "white citizens in the area who are concerned for their safety" in the wake of the Trayvon Martin shooting last month, says Commander Jeff Schoep of the National Socialist Movement. "We are not advocating any type of violence or attacks on anybody, but we are prepared for it," he says. "We are not the type of white people who are going to be walked all over."

Because nothing diffuses racial tension like gun-toting racial separatists patrolling an already on-edge community.

Schoep, whose neo-Nazi group is based in Detroit, tells Riptide the patrols are a response to white residents' fears of a race riot.

A group called the New Black Panther Party recently offered $10,000 for a citizens' arrest of George Zimmerman, Martin's shooter. Schoep said the bounty is a sign that "the possibility of further racial violence... is brimming over like a powder keg ready to explode into the streets."

The patrols are comprised of between 10 and 20 locals and "volunteers" from across the state, including some from Miami, he added. He couldn't go into specifics on what kind of firepower, exactly, the patrols had with them.

"In Arizona the guys can walk around with assault weapons and that's totally legal," Schoep said, referring to the group's patrols of the US-Mexico border. "What I can tell you is that any patrols that we are doing now in Florida are totally within the law."

Asked if the patrols wouldn't just make things worse -- spark a race riot, for instance -- Schoep insisted they were simply a "show of solidarity with the white community down there" and "wouldn't intimidate anybody."

"Whenever there is one of these racially charged events, Al Sharpton goes wherever blacks need him," Schoep said. "We do similar things. We are a white civil rights organization."

He went to great lengths to contrast his organization with the New Black Panther Party, who he blamed for scaring local whites and spurring the need for NSM patrols. Schoep admits that the NSM and the Black Panthers are actually alike in that they are both racial separatists. But he sees a double-standard in the government's treatment of the two groups.

"The Black Panthers have been offering bounties and all that," he says. "But if we called for a bounty on someone's head, I guarantee we'd be locked up as quick as I could walk out of my house."

Schoep was also quick to clarify that he isn't taking sides in Trayvon Martin's controversial shooting. "That's for the courts to decide," he says. Besides, Schoep says, Zimmerman's not even white.

"I think there is some confusion going on," Schoep says. "A lot of people think that this guy who shot Trayvon was white... but he's half Hispanic or Cuban or something. He certainly doesn't look white to me."

To some, sending in the storm troops seems like a sure way to incite -- not prevent -- a race riot. But Schoep says that's way off base.

"We don't wish for things like that," he says. "But there have been race riots in Detroit and L.A... So we know those types of things happen."

"You can either be prepared or you can be blindsided," he adds. "This way, if something were to touch off a race riot, we'd already be in the area."

How reassuring.

Follow Miami New Times on Facebook and Twitter @MiamiNewTimes. Follow this journalist on Twitter @MikeMillerMiami.

Truly, this is a great addition to what's going on down there. Especially with Florida's stand your ground law.

[Eulogy]

While I don't doubt that those policemen who are actually racist privately approve of the neo-nazi wannabe death squads, neo-nazis themselves tend not to be the most tactful or smartest people. I would not be surprised if this great plan of theirs backfired and they end up being the ones tangling with the police, not the non-whites.

Also notice that the Black Panthers are offering to pay someone to arrest Zimmerman, NOT kill him, yet it's the neo-nazis who are figuratively waving their guns around.

[spaceviking]

This must be the least intimidating Neo Nazi ever. (taken from the prior article)

[Phil Skayhan]

Same source as Akhlut UPDATED

UPDATE: The Sanford Police Department says that it has no evidence of neo-Nazis in the area. "We have not seen any neo-Nazis on patrol nor have we had any reports of them," says Sgt. David Morgenstern. He added that there had been no sign of the New Black Panther Party, either.

[Block]

Also notice that the Black Panthers are offering to pay someone to arrest Zimmerman, NOT kill him, yet it's the neo-nazis who are figuratively waving their guns around.

This is incorrect. The offer was "Dead or Alive"

[Flagg]

Also notice that the Black Panthers are offering to pay someone to arrest Zimmerman, NOT kill him, yet it's the neo-nazis who are figuratively waving their guns around.

This is incorrect. The offer was "Dead or Alive"

Wasn't the Black Panthers, either, it was the "New Black Panthers" which consists of about 6 guys and is in no way affiliated with the actual Black Panthers.

[Aaron MkII]

This must be the least intimidating Neo Nazi ever. (taken from the prior article)

Would be scarier with a 12 gauge?

But a race riot, when was the last time that happened? Rodney King? And is it worse then a regular riot, in which people liberate tvs?

[Lonestar]

They liberated TVs during the LA riots, and blacks mostly targeted Asian immigrants in any case.

[spaceviking]

Korean specifically. Though I think black owned business revived the greatest amount of looting.

[madd0ct0r]

if you need a grim chuckle, the NS patrols thread on stormfront is here:
+http://www.stormfront.org/forum/t878408/

there does not appear to be a thread about the actual case however.

[Darksider]

Jesus christ mad. How 'bout mentioning what "storm front" is for the unaware before posting a link? I'm just glad I wasn't at school. At least mention that the link isn't work safe.

[Simon_Jester]

Yeah. I never go to a Stormfront link for any reason, because I don't want a running battle between the Yugoslav partisan cookies and the Nazi cookies on my hard drive.

Seriously, I'm kind of surprised that the white supremacists are reacting this strongly, and it sounds like an incredibly good way to escalate the situation. This kind of thing helps remind me that extreme racists live in such a strange mental universe- they do things that don't make sense even when you accept the basic premise of "our guys are better than your guys!"

Probably because by this point, the only sort of person who goes to neo-Nazi websites and such is someone who's otherwise mentally defective or historically illiterate. If there isn't something wrong with you, you don't need it explained why semi-militant white supremacism is wrong; the whole ideology is like something we'd make up to explain to children why racism is bad.

[madd0ct0r]

sorry - I assumed the cesspit that is stormfront was well known enough to not need a warning.

It's a neo-nazi white supremist forum, (he says several hours too late)

As for escalating the situation - that's what they want.

They'd love for this to trigger a running battle on racial grounds, 'waking up' the white folk of the neighbourhood.
Of course, these are the same idiots who think Austrailia and America were white origionally, and that 'the white race' is somehow on a backfoot at the moment.

like i said, grim laughter.

[Mr Bean]

sorry - I assumed the cesspit that is stormfront was well known enough to not need a warning.

It's a neo-nazi white supremist forum, (he says several hours too late)

You never don't mention what a website is, as well I'll mention since you did not but Stormfront is one of a half dozen sites that are well know for being watched by official types. Not an issue if you view the site unless you try to do it from work (Which trust me can get you fired there's no nice way to explain to management why your on STORMFRONT) it's slightly better than directly linking to kiddie porn in the business world.... only slightly better.

[The Yosemite Bear]

hey you never know your boss could be some secret white hood type, especially if you work for a certain arizonia sherriff...

[Mr Bean]

hey you never know your boss could be some secret white hood type, especially if you work for a certain arizonia sherriff...

The chances of your bosses boss are excellent however unless your working in a secret white hood front group which should be obvious the moment you set foot in the place. Hint if he's a Yankee with a confederate flag, he's not really proud of his "heritage".

[madd0ct0r]

Try the UK construction industry. fucking riddled with them.

[The Yosemite Bear]

not to hijack, but I've seen far too many Randite racists in kitchens and contruction work here in Cali too....

[Dalton]

BREAKING

George Zimmerman's counsels have withdrew from the case due to lack of contact from Zimmerman.

[Flagg]

I betz teh noo Black Pantherz gots him!!!

Seriously though, I wonder if this means he ran?

[aerius]

Let's see what 5 seconds on google news search brings up.


http://www.digtriad.com/news/article/22 ... s|bc|large

Attorneys Hal Uhrig & Craig Sonner Have Withdrawn From Representing George Zimmerman In Trayvon Martin Case

An attorney for George Zimmerman scheduled a press conference this afternoon regarding his client's killing of Trayvon Martin, according to news reports.

Zimmerman was not present.

One of the lawyers, Hal Uhrig, said that Zimmerman contacted the special prosecutor without notifying them, but the prosecutors told them they would not speak with him.

Zimmerman, who has been in hiding, reportedly told state prosecutors the lawyers no longer represented him.

Uhrig said he and his co-counsel will no longer represent him until it's clear he wants them as counsel.

The lawyers "had a good working relationship until the past couple of days," when Zimmerman stopped communicating with them and went into hiding, attorney Craig Sonner said.

Uhrig continued, saying that Zimmerman was "not doing well emotionally, probably suffering from post-traumatic stress," and "may have lost a lot of weight."

Attorney Craig Sonner says he doesn't believe Zimmerman will flee the country. He and Hal Uhrig say they have not met Zimmerman and had communicated him daily by texts, phone calls and email. They say he is in the United States but do not know where he is.

Sonner and Uhrigh both reiterate that they believe that the evidence shows Zimmerman "was acting in self-defense that night."

Addressing the question of, "Is George Zimmerman a racist?", Uhrig cites Zimmerman's mixed heritage -- his mother is Peruvian -- and his having friends of other races.

"He's not a member of the Aryan Nation," he says. "He's a neighborhood-watch guy."

Earlier, the lawyers said Zimmerman had contacted Sean Hannity of Fox News, off the record, and would not tell them what he said.

They said they lost contact with him Sunday and he has stopped returning their calls.

The lawyers say Zimmerman had characterized them as "legal advisers," not his attorneys. "I'm not sure what the distinction is, but in his mind there's a distinction," Uhrig said.

Before concluding, Uhrig reiterated that he and Craig Sonner could not ethically continue to represent Zimmerman because he had contacted prosecutors without their knowledge and against their advice, but that they were open to resuming as his counsel if he wanted.