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Thanks for the tip on that one.

Wow. The SU-14 seems to be a license to print money once you get the big gun upgrade. I just made ~320k credits in 5 games. I once made 130k credits in a loss. And it's cheap to repair, too.

There's an arty special event that increases arty income for the SU-14 and GW panther.
It will not last >_>.

I think it's done by now, actually

Aww, so it was just a coincidence that I got the big gun upgrade and they put on a special? How generous was the special?

Darth Wong wrote:Aww, so it was just a coincidence that I got the big gun upgrade and they put on a special? How generous was the special?

It doubles your income.

I see. Well in that case, the SU-14 still looks like a license to print money. If I had made 160k in 5 games, one of which involved making 65k in a loss, that would still look pretty good, and it's not a premium tank (and it's still cheap to repair).

The real trick is the way it cuts into your profit margin after ammunition expense is factored in. I wonder how many rounds you had to fire to get those 160k credits...

Well one-hundred games in and my win record is 52%. I find it odd that I did so much better in the BT-2 than I have been in the BT-7, but I guess that having the same gun a tier higher hasn't helped things any. Between the two Stuarts I win more than I lose and the rest of the tanks have most held their own. The least fun I have is playing the tier 2 french artillery piece, that thing is terrible, I just hope that line gets more fun later.

Woo, brand new JagdPanther-II! Now, for the love of God, stop giving me matches with 4 T10s. Please. I've literally not seen matches where I've been off the bottom. Improvements!

Finally, I have overcome the grind hump and have a M26 with the loooooong 90 mm and a TigerII with the looooooong 105. A whole new world of penetration (and in the Tiger's case, alpha) is open to me! I took down two T29's with the M26 in my first game with the long 90mm.

But gods are the tanks ugly with overlong guns. All of them. M26, Panther, KT, TigerI, the long guns just ruin the proportions. I mean I love the stumpy squareness of the TigerI, lol.

I hate Type59's though -no matter where I shoot them it's always an iffy chance to pen.

This 105mm KwK46, is it some fictional post 1946 tank gun?

Simon_Jester wrote:The real trick is the way it cuts into your profit margin after ammunition expense is factored in. I wonder how many rounds you had to fire to get those 160k credits...

The rounds are expensive, but with a reload time of roughly 40 seconds and a similarly long aiming time, I couldn't use up a lot of ammo even if I tried. The SU-14 really doesn't cost much to operate, even including ammo costs. It often one-shots high-tier enemies: for example, Ferdinands are an almost guaranteed one-shot kill.

AniThyng wrote:Finally, I have overcome the grind hump and have a M26 with the loooooong 90 mm and a TigerII with the looooooong 105. A whole new world of penetration (and in the Tiger's case, alpha) is open to me! I took down two T29's with the M26 in my first game with the long 90mm.

But gods are the tanks ugly with overlong guns. All of them. M26, Panther, KT, TigerI, the long guns just ruin the proportions. I mean I love the stumpy squareness of the TigerI, lol.

I hate Type59's though -no matter where I shoot them it's always an iffy chance to pen.

This 105mm KwK46, is it some fictional post 1946 tank gun?

Frontally, a T-59 is extremely resistant to a 90mm. You're pretty much banking on luck due to the angles. At all other facings however, they're paper.

Just try to hit them on flat components, or lower glacis. Otherwise, track them to cause a 90 degree swerve, and blast their weak side. You'll have a not-unlikely chance of ammo racking them that way too.

Jub wrote:Well one-hundred games in and my win record is 52%. I find it odd that I did so much better in the BT-2 than I have been in the BT-7, but I guess that having the same gun a tier higher hasn't helped things any. Between the two Stuarts I win more than I lose and the rest of the tanks have most held their own. The least fun I have is playing the tier 2 french artillery piece, that thing is terrible, I just hope that line gets more fun later.

I don't know french arty much, but must say that I love my SU-26. It has a turret and can shoot and aim quite fast. The other arties I have, follow the german line. I have no idea how russian arty gets after SU-26, because I stopped there. Heavy arty is not necessarily funnier. I prefer my SU-26 to my GwPanther. I stopped with my BT-2 for the same reason that you mentioned. Why have a higher tier tank with the same gun? BT-2 is more fun than IS-4, methinks. I can never get the play style of IS-4 and have a terrible win ratio in it. I often end up dead in it because I'm a shell magnet. You can check the stats of "WizardOfOz": More than 10 000 battles and no high tier.

Nephtys wrote:

AniThyng wrote: I hate Type59's though -no matter where I shoot them it's always an iffy chance to pen.

This 105mm KwK46, is it some fictional post 1946 tank gun?

Frontally, a T-59 is extremely resistant to a 90mm. You're pretty much banking on luck due to the angles. At all other facings however, they're paper.

Just try to hit them on flat components, or lower glacis. Otherwise, track them to cause a 90 degree swerve, and blast their weak side. You'll have a not-unlikely chance of ammo racking them that way too.

In the case of 59's the upper glacis, over the splashboard is actually a weakspot. It's just the one that nobody thinks of. Whether the Pershing's long 90 can get through it, I don't know though. 180 pen seems low compared to the german guns I know and like.

One exception to that is the 105 L/52 in both it's forms. It's a T8 gun that eats T7s, barely threatens T8s and is utterly worthless against anything bigger. And I'm stuck with one of the bloody things on my JagdPanther-II for 59k more XP. I'd complain less if I wasn't still fighting the T110 tsunami.

I'm pretty sure that the 105 KwK46 L/68 is fictional. IIRC, it's a gun they were thinking of putting on the King Tiger, but never did.

Vanas wrote: In the case of 59's the upper glacis, over the splashboard is actually a weakspot. It's just the one that nobody thinks of. Whether the Pershing's long 90 can get through it, I don't know though. 180 pen seems low compared to the german guns I know and like.

It should be more than able to, I've done it with my kv2's 167 mm pen ZiS-6.

The Infidel wrote:

Jub wrote:Well one-hundred games in and my win record is 52%. I find it odd that I did so much better in the BT-2 than I have been in the BT-7, but I guess that having the same gun a tier higher hasn't helped things any. Between the two Stuarts I win more than I lose and the rest of the tanks have most held their own. The least fun I have is playing the tier 2 french artillery piece, that thing is terrible, I just hope that line gets more fun later.

I don't know french arty much, but must say that I love my SU-26. It has a turret and can shoot and aim quite fast. The other arties I have, follow the german line. I have no idea how russian arty gets after SU-26, because I stopped there.

I didn't enjoy the SU-26 much the first time around because I was just learning arty and I didn't appreciate its attributes (also, I gave it a 50% crew, which is a really bad idea with arty), but after playing around with higher-tier arty I went back to it and really enjoy it now. It's less frustrating than high-tier arty where you spend most of the game waiting for a shell to load or an aiming circle to shrink.

If you're curious about higher-tier Russian arty, it's like this:

SU-5: Definitely a step down from the SU-26. You lose the turret and its 152mm gun doesn't nearly make up for that loss.

SU-8: Actually quite fun to play. It's fairly light and fast, and while it doesn't have the SU-26's turret, it does have a big boost in firepower: almost triple the damage of the gun on the SU-5.

SU-14: slow. Slow to fire, slow to move. But the top gun is very powerful, dealing out 1850 damage per shot. It can reliably one-shot a Ferdinand, so if you pick your shots well, you can have a good game in this thing. But it still requires a lot of waiting, which is not nearly as fun as hammering people with the SU-26.

I haven't got past the SU-14 yet.

Malagar wrote:

Vanas wrote: In the case of 59's the upper glacis, over the splashboard is actually a weakspot. It's just the one that nobody thinks of. Whether the Pershing's long 90 can get through it, I don't know though. 180 pen seems low compared to the german guns I know and like.

It should be more than able to, I've done it with my kv2's 167 mm pen ZiS-6.

Could you describe that location in a bit more detail? I for one have noticed that since they put the Type back up for sale again recently, I've found myself fighting the entire damn People's Liberation Army all at once in some matches. Any advice on frontal Type 59 weaknesses is always welcome.

Raw power with the Su-8 sounds nice because I plan on branching into it after i've had my way with the KV-1.

CaptHawkeye wrote:Raw power with the Su-8 sounds nice because I plan on branching into it after i've had my way with the KV-1.

The SU-8's gun is basically the derp gun on the KV-2, except that it's coming down from a very high arc, so it has a decent chance of punching through the thin top armour of a typical tank and dealing out its >900 of HE damage inside the tank.

Its unusually high arc gives its shells a long travel time, but it also allows the SU-8 to do things that other arty units have trouble with, like scoring direct hits on the guys who hide behind the rocks at the top of the hill in the northwest corner of El Halluf. I still remember laughing my ass off when I one-shotted a KV-2 who was camped up there, backed right up against the rocks, and who thought he was beyond my reach.

...I'm speechless. Totally speechless.

I've not won one match. And it's not even losing, because that implies there is some kind of battle involved. I've had 3 total whitewashes in a row, in which I've been the only person to actaully score a kill. I've just had a match in which the ENTIRE TEAM decided to attack the enemy base. leaving me and two arty to defend the flag.

On a flag defense match. With the three bridges. And they chose the flagless side to attack on. I'm just... how. How can people be this utterly, totally and consistently incompetent? I've literally lost all hope of ever seeing a victory again.

Fuck. That.

Simon: It's the top half of the glacis, over the splashboard. I'm not sure on further specifics as I tend to discover these things throguh empirical testing. i can tell you, however, that the Longcat-Panther can effortlessly punch through it.

Simon_Jester wrote:

Malagar wrote:

Vanas wrote: In the case of 59's the upper glacis, over the splashboard is actually a weakspot. It's just the one that nobody thinks of. Whether the Pershing's long 90 can get through it, I don't know though. 180 pen seems low compared to the german guns I know and like.

It should be more than able to, I've done it with my kv2's 167 mm pen ZiS-6.

Could you describe that location in a bit more detail? I for one have noticed that since they put the Type back up for sale again recently, I've found myself fighting the entire damn People's Liberation Army all at once in some matches. Any advice on frontal Type 59 weaknesses is always welcome.

http://wotarmory.com/2012/05/14/we-buil ... -report/2/

There's all the info on the Type's protection. That upper region of the upper glacis is the best weak spot for 180+ pen guns, unless I'm angling just right I'll frequently eat shots there in my Type.

Vanas wrote:...I'm speechless. Totally speechless.

I've not won one match. And it's not even losing, because that implies there is some kind of battle involved. I've had 3 total whitewashes in a row, in which I've been the only person to actaully score a kill. I've just had a match in which the ENTIRE TEAM decided to attack the enemy base. leaving me and two arty to defend the flag.

On a flag defense match. With the three bridges. And they chose the flagless side to attack on. I'm just... how. How can people be this utterly, totally and consistently incompetent? I've literally lost all hope of ever seeing a victory again.

Vanas? Check my win rate in the Super Pershing.

I know exactly how you feel.

Fuck. That.

The SuperPershing's a piece of crap, really. It loses the two most valuable things to influencing a match: Speed and Firepower.

Who cares if you have a very tough frontplate and spaced turret armor? You're armed like a Tier 6, and slower than a heavy. There's nothing it does that a T32 couldn't do better. Literally. The Tier 8 T32 is better across the board. Faster, better armed, more armored, better soft stats.

Yes, but even with it being crappy and even with me driving it, a 25% win rate in 30 matches is a sign of some pretty hardcore bad luck...

And anyway, I only bought it because I wanted a Tier 8 premium bad enough to finally pay for a cheap one, and I specifically wanted one to train my American medium crew.