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Thirdfain wrote:But come on, now. It was ridiculously slick and badass, and that one post where the Overseer battleships rose from the shadows, striking fear into everyone's hearts, as the Ouster ships turned to fire point-blank into their erstwhile allies... It would have been incredibly cool, and I think if anyone could have pulled it off, Sanchez, Bugsby, Nitram, and myself could have.

Looking back, if Marcao and Hotfoot aren't just talking out their asses about jumping you the moment you hit the Unification, we probably would have squeezed it out to a four-way tie, with the UPA, Unification, Axis, and Accord all being exhausted--the Accord least exhausted.

And the Minmatar would come out smelling like fucking roses, the bastards.

Still, it would've been pretty awesome.

Stormbringer:
About this 'fic, I'm thinking it might be fun to make book two (which would be STGOD4) collaborative. I have a few ideas which I think are pretty good, plus an ending which leaves room for "teh sequel" and so on.

Sounds fun.

We will rise again. I don't care if I have to write it myself and set it two hundred years down the line.

Pablo Sanchez wrote:

Thirdfain wrote:But come on, now. It was ridiculously slick and badass, and that one post where the Overseer battleships rose from the shadows, striking fear into everyone's hearts, as the Ouster ships turned to fire point-blank into their erstwhile allies... It would have been incredibly cool, and I think if anyone could have pulled it off, Sanchez, Bugsby, Nitram, and myself could have.

Looking back, if Marcao and Hotfoot aren't just talking out their asses about jumping you the moment you hit the Unification, we probably would have squeezed it out to a four-way tie, with the UPA, Unification, Axis, and Accord all being exhausted--the Accord least exhausted.

And the Minmatar would come out smelling like fucking roses, the bastards.

Actually, no, they were allied with us, and had fleets defending our worlds. They would have been drug into it if we'd entered this.

Of course there's the question: What happens if we decide to back off taking worlds, and just leave content with the destruction of the UPA fleets?

Pablo Sanchez wrote:Stormbringer:
About this 'fic, I'm thinking it might be fun to make book two (which would be STGOD4) collaborative. I have a few ideas which I think are pretty good, plus an ending which leaves room for "teh sequel" and so on.

I don't know if I'll even get that far. I wouldn't mind it. If you're interested feel free to get in touch over AIM or email.

Right now I'm starting on part one of the psuedo-history. It is as expected, focused on the Asgard some what.

Straha wrote:Of course there's the question: What happens if we decide to back off taking worlds, and just leave content with the destruction of the UPA fleets?

Which we all know that you weren't doing.

And come to think of it, the Ousters dispatched a couple million troops to invade Nashtar, so they weren't doing it either. That kind of screws the pretense there, doesn't it?

Straha wrote:Actually, no, they were allied with us, and had fleets defending our worlds. They would have been drug into it if we'd entered this.

Look... having played in several STGODs with Spyder, and knowing him way back on ASVS, I can say confidently that he would look at the major shitstorm coming down around your heads and throw whatever treaty you guys had in the shredder. Look at it this way:

If he honors the alliance, he ends up screwing up all his future plans and probably loses his fleet and sends his economy down the toilet.
If he repudiates the alliance, he's in a position to play all sides against the middle, and regardless of the outcome the Unification is going to be in no position to punish him for his double-dealing.

Spyder is a devious bastard, make no mistake about it.

Of course there's the question: What happens if we decide to back off taking worlds, and just leave content with the destruction of the UPA fleets?

Well, we wouldn't have sprung the trap, but we had a backup plan. Thirdfain would have tried to sell you on a war against the Veithans (which, considering the bloodthirstiness which you already displayed, probably would work). We would lock you up in combat with them, and this time not even wait for any sort of treaty. We'd just abruptly turn on you. That's probably what we should have done, anyway.

Rogue 9 wrote:And come to think of it, the Ousters dispatched a couple million troops to invade Nashtar, so they weren't doing it either. That kind of screws the pretense there, doesn't it?

They were helping to disable your war-making ability, which was fine by his declared objectives. The distinction is that they were going to temporarily occupy Nashtar, not annex it.

Stormbringer wrote:Right now I'm starting on part one of the psuedo-history. It is as expected, focused on the Asgard some what.

I basically wrote an entire backstory for Basil in my head, so I'm thinking about developing that into a prequel fantasy novella.

Pablo Sanchez wrote:They were helping to disable your war-making ability, which was fine by his declared objectives. The distinction is that they were going to temporarily occupy Nashtar, not annex it.

How in God's name does occupying my political center do jack shit to my warmaking ability? He picked the wrong system if those were his goals, instead of his stated one of capturing the President to break him.

Rogue 9 wrote:How in God's name does occupying my political center do jack shit to my warmaking ability?

You said it yourself, it's your political center. Policy and orders come out of Nashtar. Washington D.C. contributes jack and shit to the United State's warmaking potential, but it was always in the top 5 targets for ICBMs during the cold war.

He picked the wrong system if those were his goals, instead of his stated one of capturing the President to break him.

That was a side benefit.

How in God's name does occupying my political center do jack shit to my warmaking ability? He picked the wrong system if those were his goals, instead of his stated one of capturing the President to break him.

I didn't want to inflict unnecessary losses with orbital bombardment. They would have landed and demolished factories and military bases with a minimum of civilian loss of life.

Pablo Sanchez wrote:Well, we wouldn't have sprung the trap, but we had a backup plan. Thirdfain would have tried to sell you on a war against the Veithans (which, considering the bloodthirstiness which you already displayed, probably would work).

Not for me. The Veithians were a long shot better than the Alliance and I had no desire to take them on.

Pablo Sanchez wrote:

Stormbringer wrote:Right now I'm starting on part one of the psuedo-history. It is as expected, focused on the Asgard some what.

I basically wrote an entire backstory for Basil in my head, so I'm thinking about developing that into a prequel fantasy novella.

Cool, I really won't be touching on them. As I said, I'm writing a psuedo-history of the Asgard and not that much else.

Pablo Sanchez wrote:That was a side benefit.

And one he wouldn't have had, not if the occupation was to be anything resembling temporary. Come on, it's a city planet. Do you honestly think you could root him out in anything resembling a hurry? I mean come on.

Rogue can we let this go?

Thirdfain wrote:

How in God's name does occupying my political center do jack shit to my warmaking ability? He picked the wrong system if those were his goals, instead of his stated one of capturing the President to break him.

I didn't want to inflict unnecessary losses with orbital bombardment. They would have landed and demolished factories and military bases with a minimum of civilian loss of life.

Like I said, wrong system. You wanted Orodan or Praetor.

Yeah, let it go. To be honest, I mostly sent the troops because I was bored.

Dahak wrote:I still would have loved to come knocking on Rogue's doorstep and do some geographical readjustments to his planet...

And what, pray tell, would have been your justification for this, you little weasel?

Dahak, Rogue:


KNOCK IT OFF

The game is over and any more personal bickering will be dealt with harshly.

I never really talked to Pablo, so he didn't fully explain what was going on in the Combine at the time. It's all about Adar, pretty much. His experiments were into genetics, and over the years he discovered that the secret to perfection was locked within the human genome, just in unactivated DNA. So he flipped the right switches and made himself into superman.

He was a nice guy up until the Rape, when he saw his best friend killed by the machines. He went crazy almost immediately, and went into dark contemplation on how it all happened. He figured the answer was simple. Emir, although one of the nicest guys ever, was weak - unfit to survive. So when the Unification fleets tracking the Overseer kept on delaying and talking rather than kiling, Adar decided the Unification was weak and accepted the offer of the Machines who had proved their strength in the Rape. He then promoted Leego to fleet command because Leego is just a mean little bitch who will do whatever Adar wants, thus giving Adar effective control over the Combine military. The only person in his way was Faran Tor.

So Adar sent Faran off to Ravenlock space and then over to pick up Yrt, getting him out of the way while Adar consolidated his power. When Faran returned, he would find the Krell set solidly against him. The personal drama within the Krell would have ended with Adar killing Faran and Yrt barely getting Trilla off the Nexus alive.

Everything else is as stated by Pablo.

Hello lovelies:

Since were all talking about what may or could have been, I feel compelled to drop my two cents. At the time the game ended, The Accord in its entirety was preparing to move against Eketrina. We had positioned ourselves in Veithan held Kalderi space, which was the closest any Accord nation could get to Hudson. Hints were dropped by myself here and there, and the plan was simple enough.

We were going to attack Eketrina to destroy Ouster ship building capabilities and all that Jazz. If possible, killing Elaine would have been on the menu. The ships which were going to be used against Eketrina would have revolved around 3/4 forces from four distinct nations and a smattering of other goodies. The entire plan was slightly complicated (that was my fault) but it could have worked.

The reasons as to why the Veithans would attack the Ousters are several, some obvious enough from almost day one. I am very transparent with my posts. The Vampire debacle did not help matters much, and there are other scattered hints in my OOB.

Ultimately, I am thankful that the game ended as it did, since it spares me the trouble and work of having to coordinate the Accord fleet. It would have been glorious though.

Marcao wrote:Hello lovelies:

Since were all talking about what may or could have been, I feel compelled to drop my two cents. At the time the game ended, The Accord in its entirety was preparing to move against Eketrina. We had positioned ourselves in Veithan held Kalderi space, which was the closest any Accord nation could get to Hudson. Hints were dropped by myself here and there, and the plan was simple enough.

We were going to attack Eketrina to destroy Ouster ship building capabilities and all that Jazz. If possible, killing Elaine would have been on the menu. The ships which were going to be used against Eketrina would have revolved around 3/4 forces from four distinct nations and a smattering of other goodies. The entire plan was slightly complicated (that was my fault) but it could have worked.

The reasons as to why the Veithans would attack the Ousters are several, some obvious enough from almost day one. I am very transparent with my posts. The Vampire debacle did not help matters much, and there are other scattered hints in my OOB.

Ultimately, I am thankful that the game ended as it did, since it spares me the trouble and work of having to coordinate the Accord fleet. It would have been glorious though.

The real question is whether it would have gone down before or after Fisher got back from Elysium. It would have taken him a week.

the plan was to move before the Ousters had been done in the White Sun. I was about to pm Thirdfain about the plan, when the Rogue 9 issues began to be a problem and a poll was made. All the secret fleet movements were declared and so on. *shrugs*

Marcao wrote:the plan was to move before the Ousters had been done in the White Sun.

That would have made for an interesting outcome, because the Ousters and Unification still would have been co-belligerents and (ostensibly) friends at that point.

Stormbringer wrote:Dahak, Rogue:


KNOCK IT OFF

The game is over and any more personal bickering will be dealt with harshly.

Could *you* please knock it off?
I wrote a post bloody two pages ago. And I certainly didn't bicker around now...

Straha wrote:

Spyder wrote: So I counter proposed to have the UN structure built on a space station. The official excuse was that it wouldn't disrupt operations on New Tortuga, the real reason is that if I acted quickly, Minmatar could build it, and possibly to some extent control it. The first step was to request permission to do the initial surveying, the next step was to have Dr Braddock say "ok, let's do it. Inform the New Tortugans of what we're planning." It's not entirely asking permission, it's just letting them know what's going on and waiting for an objection. I find the opt out approach is best when you want people to agree to stuff. A few days later "oh look, we actually happen to have a suitable station back home that just needs assembly, isn't that convenient?"

Actually my plans, for after the war, involved putting a quick boycott to the Unity station on the grounds that "Space Stations are dangerous, just look at what happened to all of those fancy pants space stations in this last war! We can't trust our leaders to that! We're more than willing to build a ground facility to house this, and propose a few changes to the idea along the way."

The fact that the Monacorans would not easilly want to involve themselves in something they could not control was anticipated. Another reason why Ouster support of the UTO was enlisted. You were going to be pressured by the Ousters to play ball. Also, boycotting Unity would take away the economic benefits and hamper the security benefits for New Tortuga which wouldn't have gone down well with the Asgard.

Dahak wrote:Could *you* please knock it off?

I'm simply warning you and him not to make this a personal fight.

Dahak wrote:I wrote a post bloody two pages ago. And I certainly didn't bicker around now...

Good.