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Stormbringer wrote:

Alyrium Denryle wrote:gods they are old... Though, my military would not know that. Now would they?

A hundred and twenty, maybe a decade or so more. In a civilization with prolong being administered as a basic right they're pushing late middle age. A prolong recpient can live to be two hundred easily enough. Though of course most are either recipient of the first or second generation treatment whereas the younger generation are second or third generation treatment recipient which means they might live even longer.

Actually, the way I see it, they'd only have to be 70-95 years old. Why? End of STGOD I was 100 years ago, end of the Genocide wars was 50 years ago. So if we say these guys were active half way through the wars that'd be 75 years ago plus 20 for them to be old enough to join is 95. Move around as you'd like.

Besides, it doesn't seem too uncommon. Straha's princes and even Admiral Santiago all were alive and in power, that makes them far older than my people are now (though there are retired officers and the like that would be as old). Pre-war and if I remember right so was the Krytosian Emperor, at least alive back them.

Actually my Princes and Santiago are the Grandkids of the guys in STGOD I, thought I mentioned it earlier, if I didn't my mistake. Practically the entire Navy is young blood because you either don't stay long or don't want to stay long though that's changing now, I would think, with the better management and newer Jardanian ships.

Actually, the way I see it, they'd only have to be 70-95 years old. Why? End of STGOD I was 100 years ago, end of the Genocide wars was 50 years ago. So if we say these guys were active half way through the wars that'd be 75 years ago plus 20 for them to be old enough to join is 95. Move around as you'd like.

Actually, according to what I know (which is the OOC thread and from Darksider), the wars ended a hundred years before and only lasted a couple years overall. And that's for the simple reason that neither side could really sustain a head to head, war to the knife kind of war for much longer. Worlds were getting fried, that'll drag an infastructure and a nation down really quick.

So yes, they would be in their 120s or so. And considering as I've said, the benefits of prolong that's not an unreasonable age.

Actually my Princes and Santiago are the Grandkids of the guys in STGOD I, thought I mentioned it earlier, if I didn't my mistake. Practically the entire Navy is young blood because you either don't stay long or don't want to stay long though that's changing now, I would think, with the better management and newer Jardanian ships.

I don't know if you did or not. It's just that seeing the exact names with out so much as Fedayn II or III, I naturally assumed that was the case.

Stormbringer wrote:

Actually, the way I see it, they'd only have to be 70-95 years old. Why? End of STGOD I was 100 years ago, end of the Genocide wars was 50 years ago. So if we say these guys were active half way through the wars that'd be 75 years ago plus 20 for them to be old enough to join is 95. Move around as you'd like.

Actually, according to what I know (which is the OOC thread and from Darksider), the wars ended a hundred years before and only lasted a couple years overall. And that's for the simple reason that neither side could really sustain a head to head, war to the knife kind of war for much longer. Worlds were getting fried, that'll drag an infastructure and a nation down really quick.

So yes, they would be in their 120s or so. And considering as I've said, the benefits of prolong that's not an unreasonable age.

No, definetly not unreasonable, just thinking here you could have them younger by a couple decades.

Actually my Princes and Santiago are the Grandkids of the guys in STGOD I, thought I mentioned it earlier, if I didn't my mistake. Practically the entire Navy is young blood because you either don't stay long or don't want to stay long though that's changing now, I would think, with the better management and newer Jardanian ships.

I don't know if you did or not. It's just that seeing the exact names with out so much as Fedayn II or III, I naturally assumed that was the case.[/quote]

That's because it's their last names, I understand though. My fault.

No, definetly not unreasonable, just thinking here you could have them younger by a couple decades.

Yeah, they could be. And most of the officers below the Admiralty Level are considerably younger. I just like the notion of few hory old veterans.

That's because it's their last names, I understand though. My fault.

Actually, it's partially mine. I didn't realize that you didn't follow convention and just assumed.

Stormbringer wrote:The simple fact is that you've outsubtled yourself or something because I don't see what of this grand web of deception I'm supposed to be reacting to. Right now I see the Machines have fought a few big fights and show little signs of being able to strike again. That's In Game.

And the evidence? What evidence exactly?

I do find the complete and utter lack of any real response to the uncovering of obvious Ouster technology in the Overseer bases a little surprising. The sequence of events there went like this:

1) Completely obvious sign of Hajr aid to the machines is discovered.
2) The other guys ask, "Hey, why's your technology here?"
3) Thirdfain replies, "Err, um, ah... it isn't mine, it's my cousin's!"
4) "Oh! Sorry to bother you."

I would guess that half of the nations playing this Unification farce are stupid, and the other half have agendas unrelated to the destruction of the Overseer.

Pablo Sanchez wrote:I do find the complete and utter lack of any real response to the uncovering of obvious Ouster technology in the Overseer bases a little surprising. The sequence of events there went like this:

1) Completely obvious sign of Hajr aid to the machines is discovered.
2) The other guys ask, "Hey, why's your technology here?"
3) Thirdfain replies, "Err, um, ah... it isn't mine, it's my cousin's!"
4) "Oh! Sorry to bother you."

I would guess that half of the nations playing this Unification farce are stupid, and the other half have agendas unrelated to the destruction of the Overseer.

Actually, as I said in one of the posts, I am looking into it. However the main differences are that:
A. The Ousters responded openly to what had happened, with a not so implausible solution.
and
B. The Ousters don't have the Arcanist's track record. The Arcanists just made everything worse for everyone so the second anyone got the chance to screw them over we jumped immeadietly at the chance, the Ousters, however, haven't done that yet. Remember it's only been, what, one or two days since we wrecked the base, more can and will develop from this.

Pablo Sanchez wrote:

Stormbringer wrote:The simple fact is that you've outsubtled yourself or something because I don't see what of this grand web of deception I'm supposed to be reacting to. Right now I see the Machines have fought a few big fights and show little signs of being able to strike again. That's In Game.

And the evidence? What evidence exactly?

I do find the complete and utter lack of any real response to the uncovering of obvious Ouster technology in the Overseer bases a little surprising. The sequence of events there went like this:

1) Completely obvious sign of Hajr aid to the machines is discovered.
2) The other guys ask, "Hey, why's your technology here?"
3) Thirdfain replies, "Err, um, ah... it isn't mine, it's my cousin's!"
4) "Oh! Sorry to bother you."

I would guess that half of the nations playing this Unification farce are stupid, and the other half have agendas unrelated to the destruction of the Overseer.

Or maybe we aren't interested in having the black fleet come in and assrape us? Sure it turns out that all those nations were run by people not equipped to handle such a task, but knowing that Lazerus is a little jerkwad isn’t in game knowledge. As far as we know, in game, a lot of legitimate nations have all fallen, and every time a fall occurs the ousters have been there.

Straha wrote:

Pablo Sanchez wrote:I do find the complete and utter lack of any real response to the uncovering of obvious Ouster technology in the Overseer bases a little surprising. The sequence of events there went like this:

1) Completely obvious sign of Hajr aid to the machines is discovered.
2) The other guys ask, "Hey, why's your technology here?"
3) Thirdfain replies, "Err, um, ah... it isn't mine, it's my cousin's!"
4) "Oh! Sorry to bother you."

I would guess that half of the nations playing this Unification farce are stupid, and the other half have agendas unrelated to the destruction of the Overseer.

Actually, as I said in one of the posts, I am looking into it. However the main differences are that:
A. The Ousters responded openly to what had happened, with a not so implausible solution.
and
B. The Ousters don't have the Arcanist's track record. The Arcanists just made everything worse for everyone so the second anyone got the chance to screw them over we jumped immeadietly at the chance, the Ousters, however, haven't done that yet. Remember it's only been, what, one or two days since we wrecked the base, more can and will develop from this.

Lets be fair, the ousters screw us over, we just dont know about it in game.

Straha wrote:B. The Ousters don't have the Arcanist's track record. The Arcanists just made everything worse for everyone so the second anyone got the chance to screw them over we jumped immeadietly at the chance, the Ousters, however, haven't done that yet. Remember it's only been, what, one or two days since we wrecked the base, more can and will develop from this.

You know, I did find it amazing that I was gone a whole week and nothing happened. I have never participated in an STGOD where the galaxy-wide gameplay moves slower than in real time. During battles, sure, it has to move slower. But not during the buildup and diplomacy phases.

The ASVS STGODs never had this problem. I think the reason it crops up is because everybody in this game has the idea that the only way to have fair play is for every nation to be exactly equal in strength--which is untrue. The best method is to follow the historical pattern of the period between 1600 and the Cold War... some countries are stronger than others, but none are strong enough to become hegemon. With this pattern you have nations that are able to behave aggressively without weaving a web of alliances and hosting endless diplomatic missions.

InnocentBystander wrote:Or maybe we aren't interested in having the black fleet come in and assrape us? Sure it turns out that all those nations were run by people not equipped to handle such a task, but knowing that Lazerus is a little jerkwad isn’t in game knowledge. As far as we know, in game, a lot of legitimate nations have all fallen, and every time a fall occurs the ousters have been there.

That's an interesting way to look at it.

Pablo Sanchez wrote:I do find the complete and utter lack of any real response to the uncovering of obvious Ouster technology in the Overseer bases a little surprising. The sequence of events there went like this:

1) Completely obvious sign of Hajr aid to the machines is discovered.
2) The other guys ask, "Hey, why's your technology here?"
3) Thirdfain replies, "Err, um, ah... it isn't mine, it's my cousin's!"
4) "Oh! Sorry to bother you."

The problem is the Ousters have distributed the technology to a number of different powers out there, yours included I might add, and so with out a "Ouster Made" sticker on the side it's hard to prove collusion with the machines. The fact that it's certainly not an Ouster-built installation means that everyone with the tech is suspect, not just the Ousters.

Add to that the fact that the Ousters are the big dogs on the block at the moment and you can see why people might not press for war.

Pablo Sanchez wrote:I would guess that half of the nations playing this Unification farce are stupid, and the other half have agendas unrelated to the destruction of the Overseer.

Actually, I think it's more half are relatively disinterested and the other half are interested in it only so far as it serves their agenda. Which makes this a relatively alturistic endeavour by STGOD standards.

Stormbringer wrote:The problem is the Ousters have distributed the technology to a number of different powers out there, yours included I might add, and so with out a "Ouster Made" sticker on the side it's hard to prove collusion with the machines. The fact that it's certainly not an Ouster-built installation means that everyone with the tech is suspect, not just the Ousters.

That's true. A nice way to cover one's tracks, I think.

Add to that the fact that the Ousters are the big dogs on the block at the moment and you can see why people might not press for war.

Oh, I see your excuse. COWARD!

Stormbringer wrote:Actually, I think it's more half are relatively disinterested and the other half are interested in it only so far as it serves their agenda. Which makes this a relatively alturistic endeavour by STGOD standards.

I think I know which group you belong to

Pablo Sanchez wrote:That's true. A nice way to cover one's tracks, I think.

Considering you're on the suspects lists as well, I do believe that qualifies as as self incrimination.

Pablo Sanchez wrote:Oh, I see your excuse. COWARD!

No, just fairly practical. Smashing the Ousters now wouldn't be easy at all and would likely alienate my one ally (at least at the present). So all in all, I really don't see why I should seize on a flimsy pre-text to try and take down one of the strongest power in known space.

Pablo Sanchez wrote:I think I know which group you belong to

And I know too.

I'm doing it because my ally the Monacorans were the ones so attacked and I do have treaty obligations to up hold. Beyond that it's a simple good way of rehabilitating the Asgard and shedding the rather unpleasant imagine I had. And you'll note that it's worked well enough and for only a modest commitment I might add.

Stormbringer wrote:Considering you're on the suspects lists as well, I do believe that qualifies as as self incrimination.

Sorry to disappoint you, but I'm not that clever. I'm amusing myself mainly with character development

Pablo Sanchez wrote:No, just fairly practical. Smashing the Ousters now wouldn't be easy at all and would likely alienate my one ally (at least at the present).

Hmm.

So all in all, I really don't see why I should seize on a flimsy pre-text to try and take down one of the strongest power in known space.

That didn't stop anybody when it was the Arcane who was being incriminated. Though that evidence was much more cut-and-dry.

And I know too.

If you didn't know, I would find it more than a little odd.

I'm doing it because my ally the Monacorans were the ones so attacked and I do have treaty obligations to up hold. Beyond that it's a simple good way of rehabilitating the Asgard and shedding the rather unpleasant imagine I had. And you'll note that it's worked well enough and for only a modest commitment I might add.

Very cheap, yes.

Sorry to disappoint you, but I'm not that clever. I'm amusing myself mainly with character development.

Sure, whatever you say.

Hmm.

Well, Straha is getting in deep with the Ousters and so attacking them isn't likely to win me any points with him. And so far I'm not on any real terms with the Alliance.

That didn't stop anybody when it was the Arcane who was being incriminated. Though that evidence was much more cut-and-dry.

As you said, the evidence was more cut-and-dry than this, the Arcanists were weaker, and frankly they had annoyed more people.

Very cheap, yes.

I commited pair of battlecruiser squadrons (now returned) and sent a few people to shout at meetings. That's not exactly a heavy burden. And now I'm at least not the mean lunatic in the corner.

In response to what Pablo said about the slowness of the game:

Folks, I AM coming for you. For the Alliance in particular, when my plans (which continue unhindered) come to fruition, you WILL lose this game. The Speaker's dream will become reality, and your nations will fall. Unless you start actually playing the game, and attempt to do more than just expand your web of poor allies, you will lose. Pick up the pace! Darksider had a good start, but he's sort of abandoned it. This is not the time for slowing down.

The Wolf is at the door, and right now, time is on his side. He's a big wolf, and he may have friends waiting to spring through the window and eat your baby when you aren't looking.

Might I recommend you start sharpening your ax?


-edit- this is aimed at Frigid and the Alliance of Nice Democracies in particular. You folks are being awfully low key...

JEEBUS!

You're pretty damn confident to be making announcments like that. I mean jeez, why not just ask to get stomped why don't you.

Look- I've been running operations against the Alliance since the beginning. They have been sitting on their thumbs, bitching in OOC. The only one to make any countermoves have been the Krytos. It's annoying. The Veithans have been making an effort, and their power bloc is looking quite mature and potent, but the Alliance? They simply need a reminder about the nature of this game and the stakes to which they are playing.

Bah!

I'm just saying that when the time comes, in the far future, they shouldn't complain when they get steamrolled by the Hajr.

True but screw them if they really need a warning! I mean that was a touch suicidal.

-shrug- nothing changed in game. What are they gonna do? Besides, even if they attacked me in full force today... I suspect I'd be able to beat them.

Thirdfain wrote:I'm just saying that when the time comes, in the far future, they shouldn't complain when they get steamrolled by the Hajr.

Heh. Some of us won't wait for the far future.

*shrug* Until the time comes, I'll keep myself and the game busy with varied and sundry hijinks like the Covenant revolt and others. Hmmm.... I seem to recall I have a cadre of Floater pirates to work with.

Hmmm....

I agree with Pablo. Everyone is so obsessed with not getting weaker, virtually nothing happens. The static, constricting distribution of power is choking this game. Hell, look at the response to me tossing away my fleet at Terra: I'm 'stupid', 'rash', 'foolish' because I dared to do something other than sit around with my thumb up my ass.

Nitram, IIRC, the Battleships of the Nashtari are DN-equivs, and he also has another capship in the form of a carrier.

You are outgunned, but his failure to clear the mines may be his failing.

Thirdfain wrote:Nitram, IIRC, the Battleships of the Nashtari are DN-equivs, and he also has another capship in the form of a carrier.

You are outgunned, but his failure to clear the mines may be his failing.

I didn't intend to give the picture of overwhelming him, though I didn't know his BB's were DN equivs. Even still, it's no easy battle is the message I tried to display.

And yea. When the earlier post specifically says you've entered a minefield, do something about it. I'm not gonna snap one out of nowhere, but seriously! Do something, even if it's freakin' technobabble before you start shooting. Just charging in is being stupid..

... Hey,how come your Heavy Cruiser is venting atmosphere?