Re: The Open Door (megacrossover)
Posted: 2008-10-05 02:20am
Awesome chapter, I wonder when in the nBSG timeline this is though.
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Gotcha.Academia Nut wrote:I apologize in advance, I'm certain I got the voice and attitudes of Laura Roslin wrong as my nBSG knowledge is lacking in comparison to everything else. Suggestions for improvement would be appreciated.
Entilza, Lightning_Count, and I had a major discussion of WH40K "Plasma Reactors" for Entilza's fic A New Age. The least technobabble answer for why IoM Plasma Reactors work as well as they do has nothing to do with the plasma so much as it would have to do with how much plasma they put into it. So, the best answer we figured out was that they compact a large amount of plasma to an insane degree using sub-reactors and whatnot.Academia Nut wrote:It was a rule of interdimensional travel that visitors carried their own little bubble of physics with them, but they still had to play by a lot of the rules of current location, especially when interacting. Thus their plasma reactors would work great… right up to the point where they had to try and refuel them with local materials that probably didn’t have the same energy density, at which point output would drop.
Are we going to see some of the "rumors" running about the Refugee Fleet in the upcoming chapters? The few journalists they have should be having a field day already.Academia Nut wrote:President Laura Roslin sat quietly in the Raptor as they approached what had been unofficially dubbed in the fleet the ‘Hell Ship’. Over two kilometres of mean, already it was starting to light up as it repaired itself. There were scorch marks and cratered pits along its weirdly designed surface, but none of them had been inflicted by the Cylons despite their best efforts.
The entire structure of the ship was… unholy. Their gun ports, big enough to launch a Viper out of, looked like the mouths of leering demons and gargoyles, while the overall architecture was equally disturbing, aside from just its terrifying enormity. It was the most terrifying sort of alien, for while the Colonies had never produced anything like it, the designers had clearly been human, for it possessed the sort of blocky structure that only humans could love for their warships.
I have slight problems with this part of the chapter. Why? Well, after a lot of research, I wrote up a list of what the Colonial Diet would be like for the story "Reunions Are A Bitch." Considering I wrote up a number of long and detailed analysis' of their culture (a list of which can be found linked to here), and considering how it is almost entirely Hellenistic, Tomatos should not be among the foods known to the Colonials.Academia Nut wrote:“Now, before you return to your fleet, might we tempt you to stay for an hour or two to discuss some of the logistics and politics over a nice meal?”
“What are you serving?” Roslin asked.
“Nothing special, really. All of our food on the ship is based off of a mixture containing all essential nutrients, but we can add certain additives to mimic just about any flavour, texture, consistency, and shape you can image. The food isn’t quite as good as the real thing, but it saves a lot of space and you can still get a nice variety. I believe the chef tonight made a close approximation of a three course meal with steaks as the main entree,” Rong-Arya explained nonchalantly as veiled attendants brought forth cutlery and bowls of soup.
Roslin stared down at hers and blinked. For the life of her, her nose was telling her that she had a light tomato soup in front of her, and her mouth began to water involuntarily. It had been a long time since she had smelled something this good.
The problem, as I see it, with this analysis is that it assumes the colonies were transplanted from Hellenistic people, and that little to no additional evolution occurred.Robo Jesus wrote:I have slight problems with this part of the chapter. Why? Well, after a lot of research, I wrote up a list of what the Colonial Diet would be like for the story "Reunions Are A Bitch." Considering I wrote up a number of long and detailed analysis' of their culture (a list of which can be found linked to here), and considering how it is almost entirely Hellenistic, Tomatos should not be among the foods known to the Colonials.
Simple. The core culture of the Colonials is exclusively Hellenistic, with only a smattering of other ethnic groups thrown in for greater genetic diversity. Given that the Twelve Colonies were the remnants of fleeing survivors from Kobol, that too would cut down on the number of food and food items that they would realistically have with them. And mind you, a LOT of different nations thought that tomato's were poisonous until very recently. Also, Alien Plants are for the most part NOT going to be friendly in terms of human consumption. So... no, just no.Firethorn wrote:The problem, as I see it, with this analysis is that it assumes the colonies were transplanted from Hellenistic people, and that little to no additional evolution occurred.Robo Jesus wrote:I have slight problems with this part of the chapter. Why? Well, after a lot of research, I wrote up a list of what the Colonial Diet would be like for the story "Reunions Are A Bitch." Considering I wrote up a number of long and detailed analysis' of their culture (a list of which can be found linked to here), and considering how it is almost entirely Hellenistic, Tomatos should not be among the foods known to the Colonials.
Who's to say that during their development they wouldn't find and develop other forms of food, including some analogs to what we've developed, like tomato soup?
Maybe whatever forces took them from earth also took samples from other countries - Tomatoes certainly took off in Italy quickly enough.
William is from the Norman language, and part of the culture of the vikings, which were a group of people living in Europe. Tomato's are not a native European food. I wrote quite a bit about this for "Reunions Are A Bitch".FA Xerrik wrote:It's obviously not exclusively Greek, or they wouldn't have names like William or Saul. It seems needlessly nitpicky to say "there's no way they'd eat tomatoes" when we know little to nothing about the history of the Colonies, or how integrated their culinary tastes might be even if we observe a pretty strict religious inheritance.
The problem with this is that if you say, cut the energy of the matter in that universe by, let's say half, you cut the lifespans of the stars in that universe by half as well. If the universe doesn't have enough energy in its matter, the fuel used by the stars in that universe doesn't last very long, cutting a star that would have lived for 6 billion years down to 3 billion years. This in turn kills the ability for life as we know it to evolve, let alone to truly survive.Academia Nut wrote:It was a rule of interdimensional travel that visitors carried their own little bubble of physics with them, but they still had to play by a lot of the rules of current location, especially when interacting. Thus their plasma reactors would work great… right up to the point where they had to try and refuel them with local materials that probably didn’t have the same energy density, at which point output would drop.
Oh...that last line was PURE and masterfully Tzintchi on its unveiling.....the mother of all carrots to make her forget the stick....Academia Nut wrote:Roslin knew that this was still politics, that Rong-Arya was trying to convince her, but damn it, with her stomach grumbling like this, she could at least get a good meal out of it.
“Also, if you want, we can talk the very effective and permanent cancer treatment our people have,” Rong-Arya added on.
Roslin’s head snapped up and she asked, “What did you just say?”
Rong-Arya smiled in a demonic manner.
That's not quite how it works. What this refers to more is that there will be substances present in certain universe that are more useful for fuel than others. So however exactly 40k plasma reactors work, whatever is used as fuel for them will not be present, or not present in sufficient quantities to make the reactors run properly. They can probably switch over to light isotope fusion as a backup, but unless the fuel densities are insane, fusion reactors are unlikely to actually be able to power those giant bastards.The problem with this is that if you say, cut the energy of the matter in that universe by, let's say half, you cut the lifespans of the stars in that universe by half as well. If the universe doesn't have enough energy in its matter, the fuel used by the stars in that universe doesn't last very long, cutting a star that would have lived for 6 billion years down to 3 billion years. This in turn kills the ability for life as we know it to evolve, let alone to truly survive.
On the other hand, if there is too much energy in matter, things like galaxies and stars cannot form. Therefore, you need to rethink this section. I know what you're trying to do, but the way you're going about it reeks of technobabble, and that is something that should be avoided whenever possible. It doesn't have to be "Pure Science", but technobabble does not 'help' a plot where a little thought and action could serve as a better alternative.
Ahh, this explaination makes more sense. I still recommend you reword that section a bit, as if I get confused, others will too.Academia Nut wrote:That's not quite how it works. What this refers to more is that there will be substances present in certain universe that are more useful for fuel than others. So however exactly 40k plasma reactors work, whatever is used as fuel for them will not be present, or not present in sufficient quantities to make the reactors run properly. They can probably switch over to light isotope fusion as a backup, but unless the fuel densities are insane, fusion reactors are unlikely to actually be able to power those giant bastards.The problem with this is that if you say, cut the energy of the matter in that universe by, let's say half, you cut the lifespans of the stars in that universe by half as well. If the universe doesn't have enough energy in its matter, the fuel used by the stars in that universe doesn't last very long, cutting a star that would have lived for 6 billion years down to 3 billion years. This in turn kills the ability for life as we know it to evolve, let alone to truly survive.
On the other hand, if there is too much energy in matter, things like galaxies and stars cannot form. Therefore, you need to rethink this section. I know what you're trying to do, but the way you're going about it reeks of technobabble, and that is something that should be avoided whenever possible. It doesn't have to be "Pure Science", but technobabble does not 'help' a plot where a little thought and action could serve as a better alternative.
However, a better example of what I'm talking about is stuff like naquadah from Stargate, elerium-115 from X-COM, hypermatter from Star Wars, and so on and so forth. These are the exotic, high energy fuels that are universe specific and cannot be manufactured or obtained easily or at all in different universes, depending on local conditions. This is the problem for the Stiletto, in that once it runs out of say plasma torpedo warheads, they can't make any more with local materials. They can't make more adamantium armour (not that they have the facilities for that anyway) until they get home. And so on and so forth.
The fact that there's life that we understand in a universe means that its not too dissimilar in the broad strokes of physics, its the edges where the exotic materials and techniques come in where things start getting weird.
The power generation line is much clearer now, and the madness of the soup is likewise cleared up. Although, it does make more sense in context, anyways. I still love the last lines, though.Academia Nut wrote:Okay, I've editted about the last chapter a little to clear up some of the internal consistency concerns. I tacked on the fact that the energy concerns had to do with exotic matter, and I changed tomato soup to vegetable soup.
Incidentally, the reason tomatoes were thought to be toxic was due to their acidity leaching lead out of pewter dishware, a concern the Colonials would not have in any way, shape, or form.
And i rolfl'ed......Robo Jesus wrote:Oh dear lord, I lul'd.