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Re: Star Wars VII - Trailer Discussion

Posted: 2015-04-07 12:24am
by Simon_Jester
Adamskywalker007 wrote:
Zixinus wrote:What if the Death Star II explosion turned most of the debris it had around itself into plasma? Sure it would cool down but then there would be tiny particles of debris rather than big chunks, stuff that would be repelled or burn up in the atmosphere.
You are making the same physics mistake as the writers of the film Deep Impact(which was overall far better than Armageddon). Blowing up the debris further wouldn't actually help unless it was vaporized entirely. A thousand pieces have the same overall kinetic energy as a single large piece with the same mass. If any of it hits the forest moon, the energy must go somewhere.
If the problem is the 'nuclear winter' caused by dust kicked up after an impact, blowing up the pieces small enough will help... but "small enough" is "a lot smaller than a house," because a house-sized chunk of falling nickel-iron at twelve to twenty kilometers per second left this:
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About a mile across...
So you'd be blowing up a Death Star into a LOT of very small chunks to prevent it from hitting the ground. Although the rebel fleet, given that we're using Saxton-onian firepower figures and they have ISD-sized warships, might actually be able to do that given that the rubble of the Death Star consists of inert chunks of matter that are totally unprotected by shielding.

Even then, there's a lot of raw heat transfer into the atmosphere, which may be your point when you say "the energy must go somewhere."

One possibility is that sustained barrages of light turbolaser fire could take a huge chunk of metallic wreckage and 'shunt' it aside by blowing craters in one side and pushing it in the other direction. Sort of like an improvised Orion drive. You don't have to vaporize the debris, after all, you just have to (in the short term) deflect it from a direct course for the forest moon, and (in the medium term) deflect it out of the overall Endor planetary system (or safely into the gas giant Endor itself)

Re: Star Wars VII - Trailer Discussion

Posted: 2015-04-07 08:13pm
by Tychu
I was referring to the debris falling to the planet that Endor orbits, Adam.

With all the talk of how big the debris has to be cause damage, did anyone figure in the density of the objects? I doubt the Empire is using iron (which is one of the denser materials). The first Death Star had a magnetic sphere, but that could have been artificially created.

All I'm saying is that the materials used to construct the Death Stars could have been of low density. That would have helped break them into smaller pieces and burned up much quicker in the atmosphere.

Re: Star Wars VII - Trailer Discussion

Posted: 2015-04-07 09:10pm
by Anacronian
Well there rumors in what we will see in the next trailer.

The run time is just under 2 minutes, about 1:50 seconds.
Han Solo, Princess Leia, R2-D2 and C-3PO are all in there.
The planet of Yavin appears.
Finn (John Boyega) with a blue lightsaber.
A brief shot of the chrome Stormtrooper, possibly named Captain Phasma, played by Gwendoline Christie.
Kylo Ren’s face is revealed.
Poe Dameron (Oscar Isaac) shoot down a TIE fighter.
Finn and Poe walking past a TIE Fighter.
Multiple shots of Rey (Daisy Ridley).
A shot of Poe Dameron, R2-D2, C-3PO, and a CGI character that may be “Rose” played by Lupita Nyong’o
BB-8 in the back of an X-Wing.
Kylo Ren’s Imperial Shuttle flies with TIE Fighters to a Star Destroyer.
More Star Destroyers.
The Millennium Falcon.
X-wing Fighters in a V formation.
Darth Vader’s helmet sitting on a podium.
No Andy Serkis.
No Luke Skywalker.

Linky

Personally i can't wait to see if the Star Destroyers look different.

Re: Star Wars VII - Trailer Discussion

Posted: 2015-04-07 09:17pm
by The Romulan Republic
Put a spoiler warning on that.

Re: Star Wars VII - Trailer Discussion

Posted: 2015-04-09 01:53am
by Adam Reynolds
The Romulan Republic wrote:Put a spoiler warning on that.
Is trailer content really a true spoiler? Doesn't everyone watch the trailers even if they are against spoilers?

Re: Star Wars VII - Trailer Discussion

Posted: 2015-04-09 02:10am
by The Romulan Republic
Maybe. I guess it doesn't really matter. Except in the sense that its a spoiler for the trailer, if such a thing is possible.

So I'll retract that comment.