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Updated OOB to show the restructuring of my Army.

I personally think these massive defense buildups should have serious economic repercussions. If not simply deficit spending, something else, because otherwise it's absurd.

phongn wrote:I personally thing these massive defense buildups should have serious economic repercussions. If not simply deficit spending, something else, because otherwise it's absurd.

Well... I did suggest that my economy ought to take 1% contraction somewhere (or zero growth).... though I would point out that my expenditure this year is at most 20% more since I had that carrier under construction last year and I have far fewer warships under construction this year.

And I intend to decommission some ships soon.....

phongn wrote:I personally think these massive defense buildups should have serious economic repercussions. If not simply deficit spending, something else, because otherwise it's absurd.

In 2009, PeZookia had financed 38.5 billion dollars of its budget with deficit spending, with a total spending on the level of 21.5% GDP. Poland does around 22% with a much higher yearly deficit and manages to have its economy grow at 5% annually (so far, anyways).

I don't want 5%, though. Currently, PeZookia has a goal of 2% real growth, and bumping down inflation from 4% to around 1%. My defence spending is hardly runaway at the moment.

PeZook wrote:In 2009, PeZookia had financed 38.5 billion dollars of its budget with deficit spending, with a total spending on the level of 21.5% GDP. Poland does around 22% with a much higher yearly deficit and manages to have its economy grow at 5% annually (so far, anyways).

I don't want 5%, though. Currently, PeZookia has a goal of 2% real growth, and bumping down inflation from 4% to around 1%. My defence spending is hardly runaway at the moment.

Do you still want the Ocean Surveillance ships?

Yep. I'm still figuring how many to order, though. I'll definitely set aside the money in my 2010 defence budget.

In other news, catching up to world events.

Just a side note, there are also Byzantine Peacekeepers in the Border States.

I am so going to go to a Mercury 2 launch, since I am in the old continent.

Fingolfin_Noldor wrote:Just a side note, there are also Byzantine Peacekeepers in the Border States.

Oh! Right, I'll just edit Muszynki's statement a bit

Karmic Knight wrote:I am so going to go to a Mercury 2 launch, since I am in the old continent.

Hmm.. I guess I could get the Exarch to give you a tour of Byzantium while his majesty is in Messmerica...... and then he will return shortly to entertain you. The Exarch is given quite a bit of powers I might add.

PeZook wrote:Oh! Right, I'll just edit Muszynki's statement a bit

Technically, Byzantium is pseudo socialist/capitalist. We have a full spread of banks and entrepreneurship. It's just that our health care and university education are co-pay, but progressive of course; how much one pays is pegged to his income level.

Astaria has no deficit, partially because it has no one to loan from, and partially due to an old fashioned obsession with a balanced budget. This might slide a little in the next couple of years, due to the need for self-defence against various aggressive foreign powers.

Norseman wrote:Astaria has no deficit, partially because it has no one to loan from, and partially due to an old fashioned obsession with a balanced budget. This might slide a little in the next couple of years, due to the need for self-defence against various aggressive foreign powers.

aka everyone else.

Fingolfin_Noldor wrote:Hmm.. I guess I could get the Exarch to give you a tour of Byzantium while his majesty is in Messmerica...... and then he will return shortly to entertain you. The Exarch is given quite a bit of powers I might add.

The Exarch is the guy who did the verbal sparring with President Hank, right? That would interesting, though I must now know if Shroomainia lives up to my expectation of the awesomeness of Brit Rock!

PeZookia wrote: Technically, Byzantium is pseudo socialist/capitalist. We have a full spread of banks and entrepreneurship. It's just that our health care and university education are co-pay, but progressive of course; how much one pays is pegged to his income level.

Heh, in this case, PeZookia is far more socialist

Our education and health care are free. Of course, paying for all that is part of the reason why we can't spend outrageous sums on defence, but, well...as I outlined in my civil defence post, education is actually a major part of my civil defence system, so I guess it's a good investment

PeZook wrote:Heh, in this case, PeZookia is far more socialist

Our education and health care are free. Of course, paying for all that is part of the reason why we can't spend outrageous sums on defence, but, well...as I outlined in my civil defence post, education is actually a major part of my civil defence system, so I guess it's a good investment

Education for us free up to pre-university. The reason being is that to hire the best professors and so forth, a socialist system would have made it pretty hard to retain them. Star Professors are pretty expensive to retain, and I didn't want them to head to Shroomania or some other place. But we are fairly generous with scholarships and all, so it helps mitigate a lot of the cost of entering university.

And if all else fails, there's always to trip to CSR to the Technical University of Moscow (or whatever Stas has for equivalent).

Well, you'd have to make them sign good contracts and make sure to revise their pay regularly. And, of course, universities can charge for some services, like weekend courses or PhD studies etc.

I'm sure the system will start breaking down out of neglect in a generation or two, though

And it's Stasograd

PeZook wrote:Well, you'd have to make them sign good contracts and make sure to revise their pay regularly. And, of course, universities can charge for some services, like weekend courses or PhD studies etc.

I'm sure the system will start breaking down out of neglect in a generation or two, though

Heh.. The trouble with professors, is that once somewhere offers nice tenure, they will want to grab that.

I hear in Europe, there are very few professorships, compared to the United States, and as a result, some people do postdocs for decades. In the end, many end up in Industry, or even finance. (let's just say, fewer will be going finance now, I think. ).

The United States is a lot more dynamic than that, and certainly a good reason why many European scientists are heading across the Atlantic.

And it's Stasograd

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Ah, indeed.

So now I'm suddenly selling guns in the CFR... Well, I can't object much, it's probably what some intrepid traders would do, although it's definitely not a state-sanctioned business (not that that's gonna stop anyone). Still, the good General Helmut better remember that we helped save his hide, and we're none too pleased that he's still not restored civilian rule in his country either.

SiegeTank wrote:So now I'm suddenly selling guns in the CFR... Well, I can't object much, it's probably what some intrepid traders would do, although it's definitely not a state-sanctioned business (not that that's gonna stop anyone). Still, the good General Helmut better remember that we helped save his hide, and we're none too pleased that he's still not restored civilian rule in his country either.

Well, few military men historically do remove themselves from power after tasting forbidden fruit.... unless under severe pressure.

Karmic Knight wrote: I have a very low opinion of myself, I wouldn't send a foreign minister to meet me.

Feh. That's how it works: if a national leader comes to visit, a national leader goes to greet him (or, at the very least, meets with him later). It's just diplomatic etiquette. If you want to insult a nation, send an assistant deputy foreign minister to meet with their president and not bother showing up throughout the visit. War may not be guaranteed after that, but relations will sure as hell go sour

And there's the fact we're both royalty, too

PeZook wrote:Feh. That's how it works: if a national leader comes to visit, a national leader goes to greet him (or, at the very least, meets with him later). It's just diplomatic etiquette. If you want to insult a nation, send an assistant deputy foreign minister to meet with their president and not bother showing up throughout the visit. War may not be guaranteed after that, but relations will sure as hell go sour

And there's the fact we're both royalty, too

Unfortunately, I am a bit indisposed when he comes visiting. On the other hand, the Exarch is a foreign minister in his own right, granted the powers of the seal of the Emperor.

That aside, I will come right for you the moment I come back from MessMerica. Looks like San Dorado and Cascadia have to wait.

Or Unreal time. Take your pick.

Um, I don't think Astaria will have to worry about any sort of arms build-up.

But I really haven't finished stas' post, so I might have read the end wrong.

Karmic Knight wrote:Um, I don't think Astaria will have to worry about any sort of arms build-up.

But I really haven't finished stas' post, so I might have read the end wrong.

I sense that someone might pull a Coilerburg soon though.

Me neither. Astarians thought they could kidnap our citizen and get away with it like they always did. Not so.

The CSR's reaction to any violence against it's citizens is similar to that of Israel, except it's even more extreme.

Also, hardly anyone except the SNC so far knows about the operation against Astaria. Other nations have been informed at hour zero that due to the kidnapping and slavery of foreign citizens, the abomination known as Astaria was decided by the Supreme Soviet uneligible for having any sort of Navy.

But destroying the Astarian Navy alone could not be accomplished without destroying it's air defenses, at least their AWACS.

So that's what I did. Their radar network, Naval bases and AEW planes will be dust very shortly.

Given Astaria is a pariah state, and Naval traffic in the region is blocked by the CSR battlegroup currently, news of that attack will slip rather slowly.

Astarian TV, radio stations are also targets and have been taken out in the initial wave to disallow any communication on that basis.

I think what happens next is Astaria will be the Coilerburg of STGODS SDN 2.0. The other states that support some form of slavery are again....

Fingolfin_Noldor wrote:I think what happens next is Astaria will be the Coilerburg of STGODS SDN 2.0. The other states that support some form of slavery are again....

What did I miss in my studies of the previous game?

edit: Did the operation kill the Merchant Marine too?