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Hotfoot wrote:

Beowulf wrote:Go ahead, use telepaths. The crews know almost nothing or nothing. My minion doesn't know very much, having been raised in Asgard space. His passport is quite genuine, by the way. Oh, and pretty soon you'll have a dead body on your hands, along with a diplomatic incident.

Doubtful. Your agent would have been thoroughly scanned while he was unconcious. Suicide pills would have been removed, along with any self destruct devices he might have had with him. We're keeping him very much alive, thank you very much.

Not necessarily. Of course if he were to use a device that would kill him on being rendered unconcious. Of course there's a lot of baggage that goes with that sort of system. Mostly accidents, and considering your LOW population that might not be the best idea.

InnocentBystander wrote:Not necessarily. Of course if he were to use a device that would kill him on being rendered unconcious. Of course there's a lot of baggage that goes with that sort of system. Mostly accidents, and considering your LOW population that might not be the best idea.

Yes, perhaps, but don't you remember? His people can come back from the dead!

He's backpedaling so furiously now, it'd amusing to watch if it weren't so pathetic.

Jesus, it's like Laz died and came back.

Hotfoot wrote:

InnocentBystander wrote:Not necessarily. Of course if he were to use a device that would kill him on being rendered unconcious. Of course there's a lot of baggage that goes with that sort of system. Mostly accidents, and considering your LOW population that might not be the best idea.

Yes, perhaps, but don't you remember? His people can come back from the dead!

He's backpedaling so furiously now, it'd amusing to watch if it weren't so pathetic.

Jesus, it's like Laz died and came back.

Oh thats right, so they really can't commit suscide easily, now can they?

InnocentBystander wrote:Oh thats right, so they really can't commit suscide easily, now can they?

Nope, not at all. Funny how that works out, innit?

Meanwhile, I will most certainly go through official channels to determine the authenticity of those passports and the status of those citizens. If the Monacorans and the Asgard can vouch for them, I'd be willing to consider extriditing them to Asgard space.

As of right now, they are suspects in an investigation involving criminal activities in Consortium space. That makes their asses legally mine.

I'm back, for the weekend at least. And then I'll be gone again...

Err... I could have sworn the Asgard has ansibles. He may not have them declared, because he doesn't use them on his warships, but he's had it since before the Genocide War when the OU (now ancient history) gave them to the Asgard, for communications purposes.

As for criminal activities, what crime did they commit?

Beowulf wrote:Err... I could have sworn the Asgard has ansibles. He may not have them declared, because he doesn't use them on his warships, but he's had it since before the Genocide War when the OU (now ancient history) gave them to the Asgard, for communications purposes.

Actually, yeah, I think the Asgard have used Ansible tech in the game. I think it was back when Santiago decided to go nutso too.

Beowulf wrote:Err... I could have sworn the Asgard has ansibles.

None in his OOB, chief. If he does have them, I wouldn't know about it, and chances are the structural differences in the systems will be different enough to distingiush between any ansibles he has and ansibles you have, seeing as how there's plenty of time for divergence on both parties here. I have you by the balls right now, and when that Veithan Prime gets here, I'm going to twist.

He may not have them declared, because he doesn't use them on his warships, but he's had it since before the Genocide War when the OU (now ancient history) gave them to the Asgard, for communications purposes.

Assuming they weren't lost or thrown away. Why don't you wait for Stormbringer to tell you what he has or doesn't have?

By the way, did you clear this use of his people with him before the fact? Because I am checking into that right now.

As for criminal activities, what crime did they commit?

Actively pinging every ship in the trade fair with regular communications to an unidentified and unregistered source is suspicion of piracy, compounded by the fact that your rep was clearly engaged in illicity activities in the fair itself. Even if you could explain the scans at this point (which would be tough), they are accomplices at the very least to your agent.

Everyone associated with that man on registration is being detained. Treated well, for the time being, but detained. Meanwhile, that man is going to be in a very bad situation when he next wakes up. You just fucked with the wrong people. It should have been a warning to you when Thirdfain wasn't even trying anything overt.

When Thridfain or Nitram ain't trying shit. You shouldn't either. Thus endth the lession.

frigidmagi wrote:When Thridfain or Nitram ain't trying shit. You shouldn't either. Thus endth the lession.

The Overseer was somewhat busy with his own problems, something to do with a rather large fleet rampaging through his own systems. His new power is too new to know anything. As for Thirdfain, how am I supposed to know why declined to try something?

Oh, and as for utilizing citizen from other nations: My power in the timeline has been using hidden agents for quite a while. Think. My power left known space shortly after the Genocide War. It comes back 100 years later, with what appears to be a Krytosian battlegroup. It's obviously had some contact with Known Space. It would therefore be reasonable to assume that it has had agents long enough for those agents to have kids. Oh look! They're Asgard/Krytos/Whatever citizens!

As to losing or throwing away stuff, militaries have a striking tendency NOT to do that. Look at the Russians. Up until the end of the Cold War, at the very earliest, they still had war reserve material dating back to WWII. I also seem to remember him used to having fairly large ship graveyards...

As for the active sensors, It's a freaking crowded trade fair! Passive sensors generally don't tell you distances, only bearing. Although space is big, it get a lot smaller when you have a bunch of ships all nearby. Regular communications would be understandible, I'd think, unless you have to put the ship under EMSEC. In any case, ansibles still have no way to be tapped, so you're going to have trouble even proving that. As for the Agent, he'd probably would have told you who he worked for, if you'd tried harder.

Beowulf wrote:The Overseer was somewhat busy with his own problems, something to do with a rather large fleet rampaging through his own systems. His new power is too new to know anything. As for Thirdfain, how am I supposed to know why declined to try something?

His new power is still at the trade fair, causing trouble (well, causing trouble for some people's sales, he's not done anything illegal yet, just caused a few scenes is all).

Oh, and as for utilizing citizen from other nations: My power in the timeline has been using hidden agents for quite a while. Think. My power left known space shortly after the Genocide War. It comes back 100 years later, with what appears to be a Krytosian battlegroup. It's obviously had some contact with Known Space. It would therefore be reasonable to assume that it has had agents long enough for those agents to have kids. Oh look! They're Asgard/Krytos/Whatever citizens!

Yes, despite being further out than the Ousters by a large margin, you've still maintained an active spy network, which nobody managed to discover in all this time, because hey, you've got undead shapeshifters.

Once again, you've got to clear it with Stormbringer. Automatically assuming control of his people without his consent is a no-no. So is automatically ignoring all security measures in place on a starship, so on and so forth. I'm still going to check your stories before I let the people go, if I let them go at all. Like I said, I've got every legal right to detain them, and right now how the Asgard react is entirely up to Stormbringer, not you. I'm informing him of what has happened, as well as others.

Meanwhile, once I scan your spy, I'll know everything about you he knows. And since you were stupid enough to make him one of your undead shapeshifters, that means I'm going to know a lot, certainly enough to know that the Asgard were not behind this.

Too bad, so sad.

As to losing or throwing away stuff, militaries have a striking tendency NOT to do that. Look at the Russians. Up until the end of the Cold War, at the very earliest, they still had war reserve material dating back to WWII. I also seem to remember him used to having fairly large ship graveyards...

How does this apply to a gift from another nation which may be of questionable usefulness?

As for the active sensors, It's a freaking crowded trade fair!

Ravenlock Space Traffic Control is handling that. Honestly, it's not that hard, and with the proximity involved, passive sensors could easily give you a position.

Passive sensors generally don't tell you distances, only bearing. Although space is big, it get a lot smaller when you have a bunch of ships all nearby. Regular communications would be understandible, I'd think, unless you have to put the ship under EMSEC.

Comms would be understandable, but comms that cannot be traced to another point in the Fair would be suspect.

In any case, ansibles still have no way to be tapped, so you're going to have trouble even proving that. As for the Agent, he'd probably would have told you who he worked for, if you'd tried harder.

I might not have known what was said, or who it was said to, but I sure as hell would know that you were saying something. Having a method of communication which gives off no indication of being in use or not is silly, and if I need to push it, well, I wonder if a quantem entanglement communications would show up on Quantum Technology sensors...hmmmm...

As for trying harder, I have to laugh. You clearly put in zero effort to your little party crashing operation, and as such, are getting owned hard. Like I said, I have you by the fucking balls, and I'm twisting. There's no way you can stand up to a scanning by a Veithan Prime, not in the situation you're in. I will know everything your agent knows, end of story. You have no way out at this point. So very sorry.

Certainly you'll know that the Asgard aren't behind it. However, just because it's one of my "Undead Shapeshifters" (Really stupid term BTW, since if you use that, your Dra'kol are also Undead Shapeshifters), doesn't necessarily mean he know very much, at all. You see, there is such a thing as Need to Know. He so far hasn't had any need to know about the realities of how he came to be. As far as he is concerned, he just knows how to do a useful trick.

As for the spy network, hey, if they aren't causing trouble, they aren't likely to be found. There is no counterinfilitration being attempted because that would imply that they knew about my Empire beforehand.

Also, assuming control of minor citizens is both nothing that should be of concern, and has been done before, on a much more nasty scale (revolts and revolutions come to mind).

Maybe the pilots don't trust Ravenlock Space Traffic Control. Maybe they want to keep an eye out anyways, even though STC is handling it. Who knows, maybe somebody will fall asleep at the controls of a ship.

And if you're going to suspect any comms that can't be traced to anyother point in the fair, you'll have problems, considering the fact that pretty much everyone will have them, because hey! people are buying stuff, and they want to get the orders done.

As to communications which have no indications that are in use of not, take a look at fibre optic cables. The only way you're going to find out if it's in use is if you check at the end points, or break the cable.

Do your people have a central nervous system Beowulf? Do they feel pain?

Alyrium Denryle wrote:Do your people have a central nervous system Beowulf? Do they feel pain?

They were once human. So yes to both of the above. Whether that pain will bother them is another question.

ok, just have to make sure.

Beowulf wrote:Certainly you'll know that the Asgard aren't behind it. However, just because it's one of my "Undead Shapeshifters" (Really stupid term BTW, since if you use that, your Dra'kol are also Undead Shapeshifters), doesn't necessarily mean he know very much, at all.

No, the Dra'kol are telepathic alien shapeshifters. They don't have the ability to come back from "vaporization" death like your dipshits do.

You see, there is such a thing as Need to Know. He so far hasn't had any need to know about the realities of how he came to be. As far as he is concerned, he just knows how to do a useful trick.

Haha, bullshit. He was coordinating with your ghost fleet to raid the fair. He knows enough about what he is, and the very nature of the lying darkness as described in your OOB, would give me some indication of what is going on there, since it seems to be some sort of possessing entity of some sort.

As for the spy network, hey, if they aren't causing trouble, they aren't likely to be found. There is no counterinfilitration being attempted because that would imply that they knew about my Empire beforehand.

Given the average level of intelligence of your network, I'd say it would be reasonable to say you would have slipped up centuries ago, but hey, whatever.

Also, assuming control of minor citizens is both nothing that should be of concern, and has been done before, on a much more nasty scale (revolts and revolutions come to mind).

If it's just some minor citizens involved in an incident that could make the Asgard look bad, why would they give me flak about it? Hmm?

Maybe the pilots don't trust Ravenlock Space Traffic Control. Maybe they want to keep an eye out anyways, even though STC is handling it. Who knows, maybe somebody will fall asleep at the controls of a ship.

By sending out active sensor pings powerful and focused enough to track every single ship at the meet, and distinguish warships from civilian vessels. Riiiiiiiight.

And if you're going to suspect any comms that can't be traced to anyother point in the fair, you'll have problems, considering the fact that pretty much everyone will have them, because hey! people are buying stuff, and they want to get the orders done.

God damn you're stupid. The pre-established Trade Fair datanet is responsible for dealing with orders on the fair. Of COURSE I'm going to come down on people trying to bypass that, because I don't want this turning into some sort of black market situation. The situation was very clear from the beginning of this Fair. You play by my rules, or you don't play at all. That works because I can damn well enforce it.

As to communications which have no indications that are in use of not, take a look at fibre optic cables. The only way you're going to find out if it's in use is if you check at the end points, or break the cable.

Does your idiocy know no bounds? You can't use fiber-optic cables to communicate with another ship! HOW IS THAT FUCKING RELEVANT TO THE POINT?

Jesus fucking christ, are you trying to go down the same road as Lazerus or something?

Hotfoot wrote:

Beowulf wrote:Certainly you'll know that the Asgard aren't behind it. However, just because it's one of my "Undead Shapeshifters" (Really stupid term BTW, since if you use that, your Dra'kol are also Undead Shapeshifters), doesn't necessarily mean he know very much, at all.

No, the Dra'kol are telepathic alien shapeshifters. They don't have the ability to come back from "vaporization" death like your dipshits do.

Really? Then what about your Soulcatchers? Seems like the same thing different way. And yours are telepathic too!

You see, there is such a thing as Need to Know. He so far hasn't had any need to know about the realities of how he came to be. As far as he is concerned, he just knows how to do a useful trick.

Haha, bullshit. He was coordinating with your ghost fleet to raid the fair. He knows enough about what he is, and the very nature of the lying darkness as described in your OOB, would give me some indication of what is going on there, since it seems to be some sort of possessing entity of some sort.

Um... He was in the trade fair. The ghost fleet was being coordinated from the freighter. So, again, why would he need to know about the ghost fleet? As to the Lying Darkness, he knows enough to know that he can change shape, but is yet to know why he can do what he can do. "I'll tell you later, dear"

As for the spy network, hey, if they aren't causing trouble, they aren't likely to be found. There is no counterinfilitration being attempted because that would imply that they knew about my Empire beforehand.

Given the average level of intelligence of your network, I'd say it would be reasonable to say you would have slipped up centuries ago, but hey, whatever.

The operative was inexperienced.

Also, assuming control of minor citizens is both nothing that should be of concern, and has been done before, on a much more nasty scale (revolts and revolutions come to mind).

If it's just some minor citizens involved in an incident that could make the Asgard look bad, why would they give me flak about it? Hmm?

Um... It's still an Asgard citizen?

Maybe the pilots don't trust Ravenlock Space Traffic Control. Maybe they want to keep an eye out anyways, even though STC is handling it. Who knows, maybe somebody will fall asleep at the controls of a ship.

By sending out active sensor pings powerful and focused enough to track every single ship at the meet, and distinguish warships from civilian vessels. Riiiiiiiight.

You don't need to continuously determine who's a warship and who isn't. You just need to do that once, then keep track of the locations. You're postulating more than necessary.

Does your idiocy know no bounds? You can't use fiber-optic cables to communicate with another ship! HOW IS THAT FUCKING RELEVANT TO THE POINT?

OF COURSE YOU CAN'T USE FIBRE OPTICS CABLES TO COMMUNNICATE WITH ANOTHER SHIP. HOWEVER, IT'S A REAL WORLD EXAMPLE OF A COMMUNICATIONS METHOD YOU CAN USE THAT YOU CAN'T DETECT IS ACTUALLY TRANSMITTING. IF YOU'D THINK, YOU WOULD HAVE REALIZED THAT.

Might I suggest that a laser link is also nearly impossible to detect, except when it's aimed at you?

there would skill be an anergy spike visible on our sensors....

Beowulf wrote:Really? Then what about your Soulcatchers? Seems like the same thing different way. And yours are telepathic too!

Gee, pity you can only seem to read so far. There isn't some "Lying Darkness" power keeping my people alive, and the Dark Dra'kol, by and large, don't have access to Soulcatcher tech.

Oh, but then I doubt you bothered to pay attention to the limitations I put on the technology, and how it affects my society, but that's typical. What I have done is perfectly within the tech level of the game, and I explained it pretty thoroughly in my OOB and in my posts, thank you very much. You, on the other hand, just say, "OMG WTF WEE I HAVE AN EVIL ALIEN PRESENCE IN MY PEOPLE THAT KEEPS US ALIVE FOR EVER AND EVER AND EVER AND LETS US INSTANTLY SHIFT OUR DNA AND COME BACK FROM THE DEAD EVEN IF WE'VE BEEN THROWN INTO A SUN!!!"

And before you ask, no, Dra'kol cannot instantly shapechange anything more than minor cosmetic details, nor can they alter their DNA.

Um... He was in the trade fair. The ghost fleet was being coordinated from the freighter. So, again, why would he need to know about the ghost fleet? As to the Lying Darkness, he knows enough to know that he can change shape, but is yet to know why he can do what he can do. "I'll tell you later, dear"

La la la, got any more bullshit to pull out of your ass? I have everyone. If there was someone on the freighter who knew more, they're next for the mindfuck. In the end, it doesn't matter. You made a stupid fucking move and you're getting hammered for it.

By the way, I love how this guy would know who he's buying the clones for, but yet doesn't know who he's working for.

The operative was inexperienced.

And that mistake is leading to your destruction.

Um... It's still an Asgard citizen?

Keep praying, bucko. Maybe a Deus Ex Machina will land in your lap.

You don't need to continuously determine who's a warship and who isn't. You just need to do that once, then keep track of the locations. You're postulating more than necessary.

Mmm-hm...riiight...might want to look behind you as you keep backpedaling, there's a cliff.

OF COURSE YOU CAN'T USE FIBRE OPTICS CABLES TO COMMUNNICATE WITH ANOTHER SHIP. HOWEVER, IT'S A REAL WORLD EXAMPLE OF A COMMUNICATIONS METHOD YOU CAN USE THAT YOU CAN'T DETECT IS ACTUALLY TRANSMITTING. IF YOU'D THINK, YOU WOULD HAVE REALIZED THAT.

A communications method WHICH IS ENTIRELY IRRELEVENT TO THE FUCKING POINT, DIPSHIT! You are communicating with ships lightyears away with one end right under my fucking nose. I'm gonna smell something, and guess what, it's you.

Crayz9000 wrote:Might I suggest that a laser link is also nearly impossible to detect, except when it's aimed at you?

You're right. Except a laser link is limited to line of sight, and can only go at the speed of light, and thus is not a huge security problem.

Don't shout. You're not impressing anyone.

You got caught. You're done. You attempted to try something sneaky in a maxium security event with representives from all over known space and beyond. You did it badly. It happens.

Everyone going to screw up sooner or later, try to move on before you get mod hammered.

Beowulf, you tried to pull a laz style intelligence (hah! They can be said in the same sentence regarding STGODs) operation, and fucked up. Deal with it and hope that no one, but no one, gets pissed at you so as to redirect the unification towards you.

Straha wrote:Beowulf, you tried to pull a laz style intelligence (hah! They can be said in the same sentence regarding STGODs) operation, and fucked up. Deal with it and hope that no one, but no one, gets pissed at you so as to redirect the unification towards you.

I don't think that would have had to happen had his agent played it cool when he realized he was being watched. Panicking like that looks like its on the way to dooming his entire power on its first day out. Fun fun.

Rightio, seeing as how I now have the old Rh'lloran fleet under my control I wanted to see if anyone has objections to these numbers.


2 superdreadnaughts
25 Drone Frigates
18 Drone cruisers
2 Heavy Dreadnaughts
5 Goddess pocket cruisers
3 Obsidian command ships
10 squadrons of inter-system interceptors
12 carriers (each holds 6 squadrons of bombers and 6 of interceptors, has 30 disruptor cannons and 50 missile bays, but only medium shielding and light armor)


So, problems?