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Eh, you did get the fleet fair and square. So, despite it leaving me outgunned, I have no objections.

Hotfoot wrote:

Beowulf wrote:Really? Then what about your Soulcatchers? Seems like the same thing different way. And yours are telepathic too!

Gee, pity you can only seem to read so far. There isn't some "Lying Darkness" power keeping my people alive, and the Dark Dra'kol, by and large, don't have access to Soulcatcher tech.

Oh, but then I doubt you bothered to pay attention to the limitations I put on the technology, and how it affects my society, but that's typical. What I have done is perfectly within the tech level of the game, and I explained it pretty thoroughly in my OOB and in my posts, thank you very much. You, on the other hand, just say, "OMG WTF WEE I HAVE AN EVIL ALIEN PRESENCE IN MY PEOPLE THAT KEEPS US ALIVE FOR EVER AND EVER AND EVER AND LETS US INSTANTLY SHIFT OUR DNA AND COME BACK FROM THE DEAD EVEN IF WE'VE BEEN THROWN INTO A SUN!!!"

And before you ask, no, Dra'kol cannot instantly shapechange anything more than minor cosmetic details, nor can they alter their DNA.

No, there isn't the Lying Darkness keeping you guys alive, but you can keep cloning new bodies for your guys, and Gladshiem also has people who can't be killed really, because he'll just clone them another body. And his don't lose memories either. So in other words, you're just mindlessly blabbering.

Are you trying to say that your pet Dra'kol don't have access to a Soulcatcher?

Oh, and having Soulcatcher copies as controllers for Drone Fighters too... That is something that I can't do. I'm limited to the actual number of warm bodies in my military. You can just copy the Soulcatcher copy and voila, a perfectly functional and ready fighter, or whatever.

Um... He was in the trade fair. The ghost fleet was being coordinated from the freighter. So, again, why would he need to know about the ghost fleet? As to the Lying Darkness, he knows enough to know that he can change shape, but is yet to know why he can do what he can do. "I'll tell you later, dear"

La la la, got any more bullshit to pull out of your ass? I have everyone. If there was someone on the freighter who knew more, they're next for the mindfuck. In the end, it doesn't matter. You made a stupid fucking move and you're getting hammered for it.

By the way, I love how this guy would know who he's buying the clones for, but yet doesn't know who he's working for.

He doesn't know who he ultimately works for? No. He works for a relatively small Asgard firm, and was told to go looking for this tech at the trade fair.

The operative was inexperienced.

And that mistake is leading to your destruction.

You don't need to continuously determine who's a warship and who isn't. You just need to do that once, then keep track of the locations. You're postulating more than necessary.

Mmm-hm...riiight...might want to look behind you as you keep backpedaling, there's a cliff.

Please point out to me where I said I needed to keep track of which ships are which type by using sensors? I didn't infact post that I was using active sensors until after someone else came up with that. I've been trying to make reasonable excuses as to why you would do that. So let's use Occam's razor, shall we?

We have a freighter, that's figured out what types of ships are where.

Does it:
A. Keep on sending out active sensor pulses of a strength only associated with a warship.
B. Keep track using passive sensors, along with another ship
C. Keep on using active sensors, of a strength associated with a civilian ship.

Possiblity B was ruled out by Alyrium's post about getting pinged by active sensors.

So we have a dispute about whether it could be A or C. C would be significantly easier to get out of a sticky situation, like question getting asked as to why a civilian ship has military grade sensors. A is not actually even necessary.

OF COURSE YOU CAN'T USE FIBRE OPTICS CABLES TO COMMUNNICATE WITH ANOTHER SHIP. HOWEVER, IT'S A REAL WORLD EXAMPLE OF A COMMUNICATIONS METHOD YOU CAN USE THAT YOU CAN'T DETECT IS ACTUALLY TRANSMITTING. IF YOU'D THINK, YOU WOULD HAVE REALIZED THAT.

A communications method WHICH IS ENTIRELY IRRELEVENT TO THE FUCKING POINT, DIPSHIT! You are communicating with ships lightyears away with one end right under my fucking nose. I'm gonna smell something, and guess what, it's you.

It's not relevant? A reallife example of a communications system which is untappable, and so on is not relevant?

If you'd get off your high horse, and out of full flame mode, you'd realize that it's relevant.

And how many people from Gladshiem are there, BTW? BECAUSE EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM HAS A FULL TIME ANSIBLE LINK GOING ON IN THEIR HEAD.

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Rogue 9: Probably, the case.

frigidmagi: If it weren't for the fact that if I don't dispute this, the Unification is going to come down straight on my head, I'd probably lay off of it.

It's not relevant? A reallife example of a communications system which is untappable, and so on is not relevant?

No it isn't, because unlike a fiber optic CABLE, you do not have a hardwire connection between your agent and the ship, thus leaving broadcast as the only other possibility. And broadcasts are by definition very detectable.

Beowulf wrote:No, there isn't the Lying Darkness keeping you guys alive, but you can keep cloning new bodies for your guys, and Gladshiem also has people who can't be killed really, because he'll just clone them another body. And his don't lose memories either. So in other words, you're just mindlessly blabbering.

Hit my Soulcatcher storage centers, and my people stay dead, it's pretty obvious. As for Gladshiem, if you have such a raging erection for what Dahak's got, take it up with him, not me. Otherwise, you're just mindlessly babbling.

Are you trying to say that your pet Dra'kol don't have access to a Soulcatcher?

No, I'm saying the Dra'kol who want me dead don't generally have access to it. Two distinct factions of Dra'kol, mine, and the ones that are constantly launching terrorist attacks on me, but I guess that dynamic escaped you in your cursory once over of my OOB. Your loss.

Oh, and having Soulcatcher copies as controllers for Drone Fighters too... That is something that I can't do. I'm limited to the actual number of warm bodies in my military. You can just copy the Soulcatcher copy and voila, a perfectly functional and ready fighter, or whatever.

And how is that functionally any different from AI controlled drones and vehicles, hmm?

He doesn't know who he ultimately works for? No. He works for a relatively small Asgard firm, and was told to go looking for this tech at the trade fair.

Right. Sure. Whatever. I'll get to the truth of the matter. The more you squirm, the worse it's going to be for you.

Please point out to me where I said*snip*

You said all of about three sentences about the key points to your operation, shithead. Since you refused to give any sort of details as to how you were magically evading my security, I filled in the blanks and came down on you like a ton of bricks. The end result is what matters here, and I can justify it in a number of ways. The guy was being recorded from the moment he entered the Dream Forge. His registration would have lead to the ship. That's all the justification I need. Deal with it.

It's not relevant? A reallife example of a communications system which is untappable, and so on is not relevant?

Because that system cannot be used for long distance ship to ship communications. If we're talking about radios and subspace transmission, talking about a pair of tin cans connected by a string IS NOT REVELEVANT.

If you'd get off your high horse, and out of full flame mode, you'd realize that it's relevant.

If you'd pull your head out of your ass, you'd realize that it's not.

And how many people from Gladshiem are there, BTW? BECAUSE EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM HAS A FULL TIME ANSIBLE LINK GOING ON IN THEIR HEAD.

You're right. Only thing is, I'm in bed with the Gladshiem. I know and trust them. You, however, are an unknown factor.

Deal with it.

If it weren't for the fact that if I don't dispute this, the Unification is going to come down straight on my head, I'd probably lay off of it.

The more you bitch and moan, the more likely your immediate destruction will be. Be glad I'm not taking your ghost fleet just out of spite.

Hotfoot wrote:

Are you trying to say that your pet Dra'kol don't have access to a Soulcatcher?

No, I'm saying the Dra'kol who want me dead don't generally have access to it. Two distinct factions of Dra'kol, mine, and the ones that are constantly launching terrorist attacks on me, but I guess that dynamic escaped you in your cursory once over of my OOB. Your loss. .

Ah, so you do have Dra'kol which are shapeshifting, telepathic, and hard to permentantly kill. As opposed to me, which are shapeshifting, and hard to permentantly kill.

Oh, and having Soulcatcher copies as controllers for Drone Fighters too... That is something that I can't do. I'm limited to the actual number of warm bodies in my military. You can just copy the Soulcatcher copy and voila, a perfectly functional and ready fighter, or whatever.

And how is that functionally any different from AI controlled drones and vehicles, hmm? .

I dunno, the fact that in it self makes your power more powerful than mine?

Please point out to me where I said*snip*

You said all of about three sentences about the key points to your operation, shithead. Since you refused to give any sort of details as to how you were magically evading my security, I filled in the blanks and came down on you like a ton of bricks. The end result is what matters here, and I can justify it in a number of ways. The guy was being recorded from the moment he entered the Dream Forge. His registration would have lead to the ship. That's all the justification I need. Deal with it.
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Of course, my original intent was to have them be seperate ops, but I'm dealing with it. As to magically evading you're security, I didn't need to until you came down like a ton of bricks.

And how many people from Gladshiem are there, BTW? BECAUSE EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM HAS A FULL TIME ANSIBLE LINK GOING ON IN THEIR HEAD.

You're right. Only thing is, I'm in bed with the Gladshiem. I know and trust them. You, however, are an unknown factor.

Deal with it..

I would, if you would stop harping on the ansible.

Beowulf wrote:Ah, so you do have Dra'kol which are shapeshifting, telepathic, and hard to permentantly kill. As opposed to me, which are shapeshifting, and hard to permentantly kill.

Hmm, if only you would clean out your ears a little more, you might let in enough air for your brain to grow. Not only do your guys shift instantly, but the essentially have entirely new bodies each and every time they do so. Um, bullshit? I at least have limitations in place on the Dra'kol, and frankly, you have none on yours. Keeping a Dra'kol agent out of a sensitive area is easily within the means of any nation once they are aware of the Dra'kol's capabilities.

I dunno, the fact that in it self makes your power more powerful than mine?

Oh please. Now you're just bitching pointlessly. Having combat drones controlled by AI is not outside the tech level, and this is functionally no different.

Of course, my original intent was to have them be seperate ops, but I'm dealing with it. As to magically evading you're security, I didn't need to until you came down like a ton of bricks.

Uh, newsflash, dipshit. You turned what would have been a fruitless search on the feighter and a heightened state of alert on the tradeship into a failed operation because of your bathroom hijinks. Your stupidity is what blew your own damn operation, I just capitalized on it.

I also love how you managed to manuever an entire fleet inside of striking distance to the single most heavily defended area of known space without anyone knowing.

I would, if you would stop harping on the ansible.

Oh, so now you're the victim, huh? Bzzt, wrong. You pulled a bullshit move, and I called you on it. You're lucky I was nice enough to give you a heads up on the nasty fleets awaiting you in Ark Sector, or right now your fleet would be slowly drifting through the void after having been annihilated by the assembled forces.

But I have to draw the line somewhere, and I have. Had you put just a little more effort into your posts, I would have been more lenient, but your single sentence garbage and pull shit out of your ass crap is not going to fly here, and neither is your pointless bitching about established powers. You got a problem with the Dra'kol? Fine, talk to me about them and we'll have a little chat. Got a problem with Dahak's Datasphere? Fine, go talk to him about it. Or call in a mod and lodge a complaint, and let things work out from there.

Right now, you're grasping at straws to justify your bullshit. I'm not buying it, and right now, nobody else seems to be either. Cut your losses and go home. You shouldn't have done this op, but now that you have, you'll have to deal with the consequences of your actions. It's not my fault you walked in the fair without reading my OOB or any of the posts leading up to the Fair, which I went into some great detail talking about what would be present.

You've got nobody to blame but yourself.

Look, all I'm asking is gor you stop stop bitching about stuff that I have that's shared with other powers, k? I don't have telepathic shapeshifters. You know why? Because it's fucking broken! "Such and such reads your admiral's mind, then kills him and replaces him. He then proceeds to rampage through other nations territory, causing great ill will toward your power." Yeah, nice...

New bodies? wow, when did I say that? As I recall, I specified his face changing back, and his apparent weight changing. It's not as if he grew a tail.

To keep my agents out, rely on what someone knows, and not on what they are, and you should be fine.

And I don't recall specifing an actual striking time, so you're bitching about me getting a fleet close, when it wasn't actually anywhere close at all!

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And skimming along the thread to find the two posts that state the security arrangements, I see that the only mention of the arrangements is that the luxury liner has been specially modified, any warships have been herded to certain locations, the Alpha Fleet is in the area, and you have SENTINEL teams and Voidform ready. And Security is tight.

I wonder since when tight means monitoring the damn restrooms. I could see cameras throughout the ship. Maybe sensors to detect mages on entry as well. But the security that you pulled out of your ass, is above and beyond what a reallife secret controlled facility would have.

Hotfoot wrote:I also love how you managed to manuever an entire fleet inside of striking distance to the single most heavily defended area of known space without anyone knowing.

Eh, I'd go for one of the dedicated fortress world being more heavily defended than the trade fair, but I'll grant you its very heavily defended. Carry on.

Beowulf wrote:Look, all I'm asking is gor you stop stop bitching about stuff that I have that's shared with other powers, k?

You just don't get it, do you? That's not even what I'm bitching about, you brought all that up on your own. I'm bitching about your inability to play within the realms of accepted STGOD behavior. You pulled a bullshit move, and then tried to justify it after the fact by piling even more and more bullshit on. Where's the infrastructure that keeps your people coming back to life? I've got a very definate infrastructure dedicated to just that. So does Dahak. You don't. That's why it's bullshit. Other powers can invade me and destroy my cloning facilities, or blow up the datacenters, and I am sent into turmoil. Same with Dahak. Is it easy to do? No, but it can be done with enough time and dedication. You, on the other hand, simply have magically regenerating undead. No reason given, no industry behind it. It's just there.

Meanwhile, again, with the Dra'kol, yes, they are Telepathic Shapeshifters, but are they anywhere near as badass as instant changers who can come back on their own even if you vaporize them? No, no they can't. Are they a potential threat? Sure they are, but are they unreasonably such?

No, not really. I wouldn't even have a problem with your ability to snap your fingers, wiggle your left testicle and boom you're changed if you were at least somewhat realistic about it. I don't think anyone has the ability to instantly and completely alter their DNA just by thinking about it, or to come back from the dead without any preparation whatsoever.

I don't have telepathic shapeshifters. You know why? Because it's fucking broken! "Such and such reads your admiral's mind, then kills him and replaces him. He then proceeds to rampage through other nations territory, causing great ill will toward your power." Yeah, nice...

Oh really? Please, do tell me where I've done that. While you're at it, tell me why it couldn't be done by someone else without using telepathic shapeshifters? Because you know, genetic engineering as it is in this STGOD, all we need is one small sample, and we can make a copy of our own quite easily enough. Never mind that you are completely ignoring the inherant limitations I have put into the Dra'kol's abilities, but then I guess that doesn't matter, given that your reading comprehension is roughly comparable to a gnat.

New bodies? wow, when did I say that? As I recall, I specified his face changing back, and his apparent weight changing. It's not as if he grew a tail.

Um, new DNA means you're effectively generating a brand new body each time you shift, rather than just changing your external appearance.

To keep my agents out, rely on what someone knows, and not on what they are, and you should be fine.

...I'm going to have to request you re-write that sentence into something that makes sense in English, please.

And I don't recall specifing an actual striking time, so you're bitching about me getting a fleet close, when it wasn't actually anywhere close at all!

That's the whole damn problem! You didn't specify anything. I went through the time and effort to construct my OOB, set up the Trade Fair's security, so on and so forth, and you come in with a bunch of little pissant one-liners with no preparation and expect to have any sort of parity, much less the ability to get away with total bullshit? Nope, sorry, not happening.

Rogue 9 wrote:Eh, I'd go for one of the dedicated fortress world being more heavily defended than the trade fair, but I'll grant you its very heavily defended. Carry on.

Well, I was referring more to Ark Sector itself, which has full fleets from the Ousters, the Gladshiem, the Veithans, and the Vampires, plus my own two fleets, for a grand total of 6 fleets in the area, massing, I do believe, more combined firepower than many individual nations.

Hotfoot wrote:

Rogue 9 wrote:Eh, I'd go for one of the dedicated fortress world being more heavily defended than the trade fair, but I'll grant you its very heavily defended. Carry on.

Well, I was referring more to Ark Sector itself, which has full fleets from the Ousters, the Gladshiem, the Veithans, and the Vampires, plus my own two fleets, for a grand total of 6 fleets in the area, massing, I do believe, more combined firepower than many individual nations.

*Twitch* *Twitch*

Rogue 9 wrote: *Twitch* *Twitch*

So, you can see why I wasn't terribly concerned about someone trying to attack the Trade Fair, given the circumstances...

Man, seeing that much non-allied firepower gathered in one place (and not fighting each other ) makes me nervous...

Rogue 9 wrote:Man, seeing that much non-allied firepower gathered in one place (and not fighting each other ) makes me nervous...

Well, if it makes you feel any better, four of the six fleets are allied, and are still quite possibly more than enough to match an entire navy on their own.

I meant not allied with me. And Ouster and Vampire fleets make me nervous all by themselves anyway...

Beowulf wrote:To keep my agents out, rely on what someone knows, and not on what they are, and you should be fine.

'What someone knows'. How.. Quaint.

First, you want people to ignore their OOB's and all their defenses for your benefit. Yea, right.

Next, you want us to rely on 'what someone knows'. Well, that would be what, exactly? You didn't bother to infiltrate anyone; you just said 'Bang, we're there'. There was no lead up to either of the components. So. Yea, right.

One liner LazPosting is not going to work out here.

Aly, Tasoth, a kind word. When you said three nearest powers/systems I merely ask HOW THE FUCK DID YOU SUDDENLY TELEPORT OUT TO THE NEAREST STAR?

Looking at the map that Hotfoot has so kindly providedI can find NO FUCKING WAY IN HELL you are so near to each other, because one way he'd go to the Etern, Krell, and Shi, the other way it'd be the Etern/Atlanteans/Psilons or the Nashtar. SO DON'T FUCKING TELEPORT YOUR NATION AROUND FOR YOUR OWN CONVENIENCE.

Now, Tasoth, the reason I included you up top is because I am having a problem with vague postings like "Nearest Star Systems" and "Nearest Nations" if you're going to mention that they're nearest mention WHO OWNS THEM. Sorry to rant, but this is really fucking annoying.

argh.... I didnt know he was on the map yet... must have missed him.

Alyrium Denryle wrote:argh.... I didnt know he was on the map yet... must have missed him.

He's not. The point is YOU ARE!

HOW CAN HE PICK YOU AS THE NEAREST STAR NATION WHEN YOU'RE FUCKING SURROUNDED BY OTHER NATIONS?

Also, for that matter, how do you avoid going to a no value nation like the Minmatar, Overseer, or an NPC state? THIS IS WHY I WANT SOME CLARITY IN POSTING.


Sorry, once again, for yelling so loud but it really pissed me off, especially since we just had the same issue in different clothing with Beowulf and the one-line posts.

sorry there straha. They're ambassadors just being kicked to the closest systems inhabited by the different nations.

Tasoth wrote:sorry there straha. They're ambassadors just being kicked to the closest systems inhabited by the different nations.

WHICH FUCKING NATIONS?

Which ever ones they can reach.

Tasoth wrote:Which ever ones they can reach.

IS IT SO FUCKING DIFFICULT FOR YOU TO BE SPECIFIC?

EXAMPLE:

I pop up in Nyllorian, Asgard, and Atlantean space, in :fill in rest of post:.

YOU:

I pop up in system nearby.

Beowulf wrote:I don't have telepathic shapeshifters. You know why? Because it's fucking broken! "Such and such reads your admiral's mind, then kills him and replaces him. He then proceeds to rampage through other nations territory, causing great ill will toward your power." Yeah, nice...

One more thing, since I just thought I'd clarify:

Tell me, how useful is a Dra'kol made up to look like an Admiral, if he still has Dra'kol DNA? Here's a hint: not very. Any simple biometric scan involving a DNA match would totally blow the Dra'kol's cover.

So much for the Dra'kol being broken.

Meanwhile, I'd still have to manuever a Dra'kol into position, get one past numerous security checkpoints, so on and so forth, and spend hours (and days or weeks if I want to be really convincing), to set up the deception. All of which is easily destroyed by a simple blood test.

Right now, the only nation with Dra'kol actively causing trouble inside the borders is MINE. To move agents out into the field, I'd have to dedicate resources to doing so. On top of that, the fact that I have shapeshifters is public knowledge, which is of course ever so much in my favor. I could have stated, like you did, that I started out the game with my fingers in various powers in known space, with a pre-established spy network I grew from the shadows, undetectable, untracable, with little to no effort on my own to justify why, ignoring OOBs willy nilly as I went.

Or I could just have a water to energy conversion bomb and destroy a capital. After all, you obviously have such brilliantly clear vision as to what is fair and reasonable and what is horribly broken, I might as well take a page from your book, right?

Tasoth wrote:Which ever ones they can reach.

From where? There's a map of the STGOD floating around, however imperfect. Where are you trying to start out from?