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Shinn Langley Soryu wrote:So, how about that license for the Visbys?

The "Yes that can be arranged" is for the Visbys. Tell you what, I think my companies don't mind taking a stake in your companies. That will smooth out some intellectual property issues.

Ryan Thunder wrote:I need a DDG, a couple FFGs, and/or an assault carrier to defend my new coastline and augment my force projection capabilities.

The FTO builds an excellent all-round DDG, for seamless integration with continental defence forces and all that. San Dorado's shipyards also build frigates; the Crimson Dubloon class is essentially a Zeven Provinciën class with some upgrades, and the Dampier flexible support ship is a modified Absalon class command & support ship.

U.S.C.R. Navy of the XXI Century


That's what we have:
Carrier fleet
1 New Nuclear Carrier (NNC-01) - a 350 m long CVN, basically the Soviet analogue to PA-2/CVF, with 5th gen fighter and 4++ gen bomber airwing. The fleet prime carrier, but not the flagship. EDIT: Named that the "Comrade Stanislav" class, it's just commissioned with Su-53s hope no one mind this, I'm retired
2 Ulyanovsk class Carriers - both refit with ramjet Bolid missiles (clones of Granit with 4D-04 engines giving Mach 4 speed). Airwing not upgraded due to scarcity of 5th generation planes.
2 Kuznetzov class Carriers - same refit for missiles. Same about the airwings.
4 Mod.Kiev class Carrier - basically all hulls underwent a full refit in the 1990s, making them all due for retirement somewhere along the year 2020.

LPD/LHDs and LSTs
1 Kherson pr.11780 class LHD
1 Type 071 Yuzhao class LPD
30 Ivan Rogov class LSTs
20 Ivan Gren pr. 11711 class LSTs

LCAC and LST boats
30 Murena class LCAC for the modern LHDs
9 Zubr class heavy landing hovercrafts (had 10 initially, 1 of them has been stricken from register and given to ASFR)
30 Serna class landing boats for the modern LHDs

Cruiser fleet
14 Nuclear destroyer/cruiser Anchar pr.1199.0 - replacing the 6 Kirov and 7 Slava class previously in the fleet, and even adding some more beef, because we have more carriers. Basic design upgraded to have over a hundred S-500 SAMs in the VLS systems, however the displacement, nuclear propulsion and generic weapon emplacement remains similar. Non-VLS launchers have been replaced with revolvers which now house last-generation AShMs (those are the Yakhont family or possibly superior ones in the future).

Destroyer fleet
10 Admiral Chabanenko class Destroyers (Fregat/Udaloy-II class, pr.1155.1)
20 Destroyers pr.21956 - 4 boxes for S-500 SAM VLS, 30 missiles each, 16-slot VLS for AShMs or ASuW missiles

Frigate fleet
40 Neustrashimy class frigates
20 22350 Admiral Gorshkov class frigates
10 Nanuchka-IV class small missile ships (fitted with Yakhont AShMs or whatever last generation supersonic AShM there is)

Corvette fleet
20 Steregushy class corvettes
20 Gepard pr. 11611 class corvettes
10 Bora class small missile ships (hovercrafts), capable of over 50 knot speeds and carrying essentially nigh the full anti-ship armament of a Sovremenny

Ekranoplanes
1 experimental SVVP-2500 flying carrier ekranoplane, carries 2 Ka-27 family helos so far
16 Orlionok LST ekranoplanes
5 KM-class LST ekranoplanes
4 Lun-class missile ekranoplanes refit with Yakhont/last generation AShMs obviously

Submarine fleet
2 Borei/Merkuriy 881-995 pumpjet SSGNs
2 Akula 941 superheavy SSGNs (use Meteorit-M missiles)
20 Yasen 885 SSGNs
15 949AM modernized Oscar-IIs with Bolid mach 4 missiles refit instead of Granits

20 Lada class SSKs
20 Amur-950 class SSKs (with Yakhont, Uran, Klub or any other missile type in their VLS)

Command/ELINT
1 SSV-33 Ural 1941 "Titan" project vessel, nuclear long-range intel and missile launch detection vessel; the flagship of the fleet and the command ship of the Admiralty. It's a huge command ship which can unite the aerial defenses of several CVBGs.
5 Primorie class SSVs (command and ELINT ships)

Auxillaries
10 Boris Chilikin AORs
3 Berezina AOEs
4 Ob B-320 hospital ships
1 Depth lift ship
and all other stuff inherited from both nations that I don't have drawings of, including 7 Atomic icebreakers, floating docks, several floating submarine bases

Patrol fleets
80 Uragan-class missile hydrofoils (MRK pr.1240)
50 Vikhr-class missile hydrofoils (MRK pr.206MR)
50 Shtorm-class torpedo hydrofoils (MTK pr. 206M)
70 Sokol-class small ASW hydrofoils (MPK pr. 1145)
100 Antares-class patrol hydrofoils (SKR pr. 133)

In total 350 coastal patrol hydrofoils. All non-hydrofoil craft have been retired or used as training vessels due to old frame age and redundancy.

No Zumwalts, LCS or other useless crap designed, ships are simply stuffed to the max with weaponry.

USCR fleet tactics
With the commission of new LHDs and LPDs, the USCR has found that it's small missile ships can be transported in LPDs, so if a naval conflict around the coast is envisioned, the LPDs and LHDs can transport Nanuchkas or something like that inside their bellies.

Three nuclear carriers have been assigned to the three respective fleets (Med, Northern and Eastern fleets). The Med carrier isn't really for the Mediterranean, it's the "Southern fleet" so to say. The Nothern fleet's carrier is the NNC-01 the most modern one.

The Caspian is held fully under control of the USCR with it's hovercrafts and ekranoplanes. Large ships don't operate there. Same for the Black Sea.

The Med has a few missile cruisers and DDGNs, as well as a Kiev class CV assigned to it.

The assets are roughly equally divided between the three fleets.

Typical CVBG includes a nuclear or conventional carrier as core. If carrier = nuclear, escorts = around 4-5 nuclear Anchars and SSGNs. If carrier = conventional, escorts are 4-6 modern destroyers and SSGNs, maybe a single Anchar.

Stas, are you using the same VLS system as mine or slight differences? I designed the system such that you could fire 1 Klub II (533mm) from one cell or 1 Kh-101 from one cell, and the rest are hot packed like the Standard/ESSM system.

Basically, for the AShMs I guess it's the same VLS (1 Klub family or 1 Kh-101 - but 3xYakhonts per cell), or very similar. For the S-500 I use a new type of circular VLS that packs 10 missiles and launches them almost at once (like a salvo) after the hatch slides away, once the pack is empty another 10 are shoved from the arsenal, few seconds to lock in the cage and off they go again.

Stas Bush wrote:Basically, for the AShMs I guess it's the same VLS (1 Klub family or 1 Kh-101 - but 3xYakhonts per cell), or very similar. For the S-500 I use a new type of circular VLS that packs 10 missiles and launches them almost at once (like a salvo) after the hatch slides away, once the pack is empty another 10 are shoved from the arsenal, few seconds to lock in the cage and off they go again.

Wait, the Yakhonts are smaller than Kh-101? Ok.

I guess the advantage for your circular VLS is that you can fire almost all at once versus mine which packs 4 cells together, with up to 8 S-500-Ds or 16 S-500-Cs.

Yeah, that's the idea, to increase the speed of firing. The current generation of radars can basically give all those so far "inert" missiles guidelines in the blink of an eye. In the face of a coordinated attack, such an ability would be indispensable, likewise if we're facing an coastal battle where the warning time can be extremely limited.

Oh, and forget what I said about the Kh-101. It's definetely smaller than Yakhont (0,5 m versus 0,7 m), I don't know why the specs for Yasen consider the VLS of being capable to use triple packs of Yakhonts but only a single Kh-101 per. That's probably a lack of designed packing system, which can be rectified in our universe.

Stas Bush wrote:Yeah, that's the idea, to increase the speed of firing. The current generation of radars can basically give all those so far "inert" missiles guidelines in the blink of an eye. In the face of a coordinated attack, such an ability would be indispensable, likewise if we're facing an coastal battle where the warning time can be extremely limited.

Oh, and forget what I said about the Kh-101. It's definetely smaller than Yakhont (0,5 m versus 0,7 m), I don't know why the specs for Yasen consider the VLS of being capable to use triple packs of Yakhonts but only a single Kh-101 per. That's probably a lack of designed packing system, which can be rectified in our universe.

Hmm.. Perhaps modifications in the second flight of destroyers and cruisers can be arranged.

Yeah, I ought to also spec my VLS to accomodate one cell containing Yakhont at the at the max (0.8 diameter). Larger than the Mk41 with more headroom.

Forgot to say which hulls have been retired:
6 Kirov class
Hull 01: Comissioned 1977, 2009 overhaul, hull age: 38, after ovehaul: 6 years. Destination: museum ship.
Hull 02: Comissioned 1980, 2010 overhaul, hull age: 35, after overhaul: 5 years. Destination: scrapping unless someone wants it.
Hull 03: Comissioned 1984, 2011 overhaul, hull age: 31, after overhaul: 4 years. Destination: will keep in reserve for selling until someone takes it.
Hull 04: Comissioned 1988, 2012 overhaul, hull age: 27, after overhaul: 3 years. Destination: will keep in reserve for selling until someone takes it.
Hull 05: Comissioned 1991, 2013 overhaul, hull age: 24, after overhaul: 2 years. Destination: will keep in reserve for selling until someone takes it.
Hull 06: Comissioned 1996, 2014 overhaul, hull age: 19, after overhaul: 1 years. Destination: will keep in reserve for selling until someone takes it.

10 Slava class - scrap all but one for a museum ship. The Vulkan missile no longer is a viable deterrent, the carrying capacity is too small for such a large ship, and no atomic propulsion for such a large class.

20 Sovremenny class destroyer
Hulls 01-19 will be scrapped, as they are over their age limit, utilizing them is not hard. The last hull is a museum.

2 Kashin class destroyer - scrapped already probably somewhere along as the USSR modernized it's Navy.

2 Moskva class helicarriers - preserved as museums in the USCR. If someone needs an El-Cheapo (very cheapo!) micro-carrier, I could give them. Total overhaul of the hull can make one of them serve for another 20 years or so (the other will be cannibalized). Yak-141 STOVL fighters will be sold alongside.

24 Ropucha class LSTs - 20 hulls for scrap as they are replaced by Ivan Gren class ships. Most modern 4 hulls for sale.

8 Kara Mod. class cruisers - all scrapped save one for museum.

Talwar-class frigates - 15 hulls, modern project (built in 1990-2008), all for sale.

Grisha class corvette - 10, all scrapped.

Nanuchka-IV (Nakat) class corvette - 20 of them, modern hulls with the most modern AShMs possible for fitting into Yakhont tubes. For sale.

20 Tarantul class fast corvette - these are all scrap.

50 Molniya-class missile boats - scrapped all.

Stas, why does the Comrade Stanislav have a non-angled flight deck?

PeZook wrote:Stas, why does the Comrade Stanislav have a non-angled flight deck?

Er, it does, if you see the image a few posts before. Not angled in a sense but angled landing strip.

PeZook wrote:Stas, why does the Comrade Stanislav have a non-angled flight deck?

Because that's the design. It's 350m long, larger than the Nimitz, and it's a full carrier, without offensive missiles like the earlier Russian designs. Like I said, it's the Russian analogue of PA-2/CVF project. It's actually the kind of carrier Russia (or rather Nevskoe PKB) aims to build in the future.

Steve n' Siege, you guys are pure awesomeng!

Stas, I love you Mang.

Also, glad to see our friends the One man armies Presidents are finally getting saved.

Beowulf, how much for that carrier?

Heh heh...SRAM missile

That name always cracks me up.

PeZook wrote:Heh heh...SRAM missile

That name always cracks me up.

Well you know, it's time to work up a new version of the Kh-101... After all, our Su-53 could carry a couple of Klubs internally..

Fingolfin_Noldor wrote: Well you know, it's time to work up a new version of the Kh-101... After all, our Su-53 could carry a couple of Klubs internally..

How many version of these do we have already? I will have to begin tallying them

And Shroom, here's a woman you've lost. Or who lost something, can't remember

SiegeTank wrote:Beowulf, how much for that carrier?

Seriously? I just knew someone would be willing to pay handsomely for that piece of junk. Call it 10 mil ROBs. All classified equipment will be stripped before sale. You might be able to get another 5-10 years of life out of it, but I'm not going to be optimistic about it. Note that it is a CV, not a CVN.

Beowulf wrote:Seriously? I just knew someone would be willing to pay handsomely for that piece of junk. Call it 10 mil ROBs. All classified equipment will be stripped before sale. You might be able to get another 5-10 years of life out of it, but I'm not going to be optimistic about it. Note that it is a CV, not a CVN.

Sold. And don't worry, I'm not planning to use it as a carrier . You'll see...

PeZook wrote: And Shroom, here's a woman you've lost. Or who lost something, can't remember

MARBLES! Haha!

Excellent! Now we can proceed further to Operation KHAN ALAN!

EDIT:

Nice Miranda stock pic, by the way!

SiegeTank wrote:

Beowulf wrote:Seriously? I just knew someone would be willing to pay handsomely for that piece of junk. Call it 10 mil ROBs. All classified equipment will be stripped before sale. You might be able to get another 5-10 years of life out of it, but I'm not going to be optimistic about it. Note that it is a CV, not a CVN.

Sold. And don't worry, I'm not planning to use it as a carrier . You'll see...

Ah, amusement park centerpiece then. And I just realized I mis-calculated the scrap steel price: should be 20 million ROBs. Sorry.

PeZook wrote:

Fingolfin_Noldor wrote: Well you know, it's time to work up a new version of the Kh-101... After all, our Su-53 could carry a couple of Klubs internally..

How many version of these do we have already? I will have to begin tallying them

And Shroom, here's a woman you've lost. Or who lost something, can't remember

The Kh-101 really is a stealthier Tomahawk. Getting down to the next variant just to reduce the RCS further and heat signature as well.

Come to think of it, it's time to update our missile line up. We need to come up with a new Kh-15.

Side note: I didn't realise it before, but the Klub II variant deployed on the Su-53 will likely be the ~250-300km (depending on whether there's a MACH 3 terminal stage) range variant, with 200kg warhead etc... so that it's shorter. Time to roll out a Klub III soon as well, with some new features.

Shroom Man 777 wrote:Steve n' Siege, you guys are pure awesomeng!

Gotta echo that.

Thanks for using my dudes, too.

Since I'll be out next week (which is also the start of the New Year) I figured I'd lay some of that stuff on the table now. I'll fill in details (especially the Army stuff) later, when I've finished working it all out. But for now, I at least made a game post so things can work behind the scenes while I'm away.

PS: I also decided to throw in my amusement at the usual arms acquisition process around here: world leaders sees shiny toys, orders them on the spot. No need to finish that world tour before giving all your business away, eh Shinn?