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Note to self: Shady=BDZ.

I'm slowly getting around to everyone's ambassadors, but I may just have to resort to an (unfortunate) all-encompassing acknowledgement. We're in a sort of semi-unreal time with all this no doubt happening at once, so it's not necessarily too pressing. If anyone has any particular interests in trade or other relations with Naboo, I think I'll just start blanket-acknowledegments soon.

And the CP sends it's first ambassador in. Note that any such conference between the two of us will likely be in PM form.

So, diplomatic status, WRT trade pacts and so on:

Imperial Remnant (Thanas)
Star Empire of Manticore (Master_Baerne)
Core Protectorate (Mr Bean)

Imperium of Kuat (Fingolfin_Noldor)
Temporary Stellar Authority of Balmorra (Agent Sorchus)
Concordat Alliance (Coyote)

League Militaire (Shinn Langley Soryu)
Gordian Dominion (SiegeTank)

Green is the CORE Alliance, of which I am a member and trade pacts come standard.
Yellow are states I've had diplomatic contact with, and are factionally close enough that I would give trade pacts to and all that. I also had diplomatic IC posts and am pretty sure we did trade pacts and the usual diplomatic exchange sort of thing.
Orange are the more recent ones to have initiated contact and we haven't done much in the way of IC posts. The Gordian Dominion I believe is semi-Imperial (?) and secret Sith, so I'd probably do trade and such with them without huge formalities. The LM is Republic, so we may or may not work out something. Probably will, but Shinn we might want to hash it out in PM.

Unless anyone objects, one can assume that if we go with a trade pact, it comes with embassies/diplomatic mission exchanges, border recognition, and token anti-piracy promises and such forth.

If you're not in the green or yellow lists, you received a probe droid scouting mission (that's because they're the ones I sent initial missions to, and probe droids elsewhere, and I don't want to backdate later contact before then). So orange nations did get diplomatic contact, but these were preceeded by/concurrent with probe droid scouting missions. The probe droids would have self destructed at "significant detection" (close enough to be sure the jig was up, far enough so that the explosion wouldn't do damage to anyone else) as well as burst transmitting to waiting CR-90s at some point in space, which then left the area. Meaning, in essence, a covert recon so you can't prove it was the Corellians doing the runs.

Anyone I missed who tried to initiate contact? You too get a probe droid run, but we'll still talk with you. At this stage we're talking to everybody (openly) who is willing, except for Shady and his damnable Sith.

Though if you want some under-the-table contacts, Shady, we can work something out.

Rogue, would you be offended if I just give the Corellian Empire blanket acknowledgement? I do have details to work out with the Corellians at some point later.

Also, I have points to buy me a Jedi!

I am claiming... Maris Brood. That should be... interesting.

The Republic and Empire remnant forces in the Concordat are technically cooperating, but there is also a desire to have more influence. The Imperials had the bigger fleet, so the Republic admiral contacts Rogue Squadron. Not to be outdone, the Imperials go and find themselves a Dark-ish Jedi. Mmm, good-- internal strife and politics. Always good for some plot generartion.

She was a young Padawan during Order 66, so I'm thinking that Maris Brood by now will probably be about Master status, so I'll pay the full 20 points for her.

Coyote wrote:Rogue, would you be offended if I just give the Corellian Empire blanket acknowledgement? I do have details to work out with the Corellians at some point later.

Works for me.

Also, posted rough draft of my OOB. In so doing I noticed that the Empire has two "Cruisers, Medium" categories. So I'll assume that the one with the Ecliptic-II and Modular Taskforce is, in fact, "Cruisers, Heavy" and Coyote made a typo.

So I used all 2000 of my points and, if Excel isn't lying to me (read: I fucked up inputting values) my total upkeep should be 383 points. I have an anemic "deployable" army (not even technically an Army), but I figure I'll raise those later, in game. I have only the standard planetary defense packages/troop deployments (plus my small extra divisions) and no extra starfighter wings. And probably fewer heavier ships than some of you, despite using all my points. Go figure.

And yes, I'm assuming that Militia, Droid Infantry, Light Infantry and Heavy Infantry all refer to Divisions. So if you want a Heavy Infantry Army (aka stormtroopers), you'd need 120 points.
6/division, 4 divisions/corps, 5 corps/Army -> 6*4 = 24 (1 corps) and 24*5=120 (1 Army) [40 upkeep]

Deploying Armies can be quite expensive, which is fine. Should limit massive invasions, I'd hope.

RogueIce wrote:Anyone I missed who tried to initiate contact? You too get a probe droid run, but we'll still talk with you. At this stage we're talking to everybody (openly) who is willing, except for Shady and his damnable Sith.

Though if you want some under-the-table contacts, Shady, we can work something out.

Under the table could be done... Drop me a PM if you have anything specific in mind.

The Sith are not beyond reason, we(me) are willing to trade with everyone, for now.

Master_Baerne wrote:Note to self: Shady=BDZ.

I haven't glassed any worlds...yet.

I am working on my budget and this is what I have so far.

Income 2000 points
Ship Upkeep 395 (1185 points in ships)
Bases Upkeep 48 (192 points in instillations)
2200 m Shipyard at Skako (400 points)
Orbiting Repair Yard Type II x 5 (400 points)
Orbital Space Dock class III x 2 ( 320 points )
1563 Points spent

How much does a droid factory cost? I looked through the rules and I could not find a point cost for them. (I am assuming that I need to rebuild any factories that might have existed.

I don't recall any repair yards on the list? I think game rules allow for shipyards to double as repair yards?

Fingolfin_Noldor wrote:I don't recall any repair yards on the list? I think game rules allow for shipyards to double as repair yards?

THey're not in any faction lists, but if you look at the bottom of the non-aligned list, they are there.

And I suppose shipyards could pull double duty, but that would of course cut into your production ability, and you'd have to make sure you're not somehow overstacking between repairs and new construction.

Yeah, I totally missed them, too. So I might wind up revising my OOB. Either that or just building the things when we kick off the game for real.

RogueIce wrote:

Fingolfin_Noldor wrote:I don't recall any repair yards on the list? I think game rules allow for shipyards to double as repair yards?

THey're not in any faction lists, but if you look at the bottom of the non-aligned list, they are there.

And I suppose shipyards could pull double duty, but that would of course cut into your production ability, and you'd have to make sure you're not somehow overstacking between repairs and new construction.

Yeah, I totally missed them, too. So I might wind up revising my OOB. Either that or just building the things when we kick off the game for real.

A dry dock can only be as useful as its size. So unless we also attach lengths to repair docks, they will be vague as hell.

Oh but they do have a size on the list.

Agent Sorchus wrote:Oh but they do have a size on the list.

Er yeah, and would you like to repair a 2.2km ship with a 1.2km drydock?

Repair Yard------------------------- Length: 1,300 meters (12 months, 40 pts)
Orbiting Repair Yard Type II-------- Length: 1,200 meters (8 months, 80 pts)
Orbital Space Dock class III-------- Length: 1,600 meters (8 months, 160 pts)

And why is the Type II shorter than a Type 1 yet costing more?

Fingolfin_Noldor wrote:

Agent Sorchus wrote:Oh but they do have a size on the list.

Er yeah, and would you like to repair a 2.2km ship with a 1.2km drydock?

It'd be funny to see someone try.

Fingolfin_Noldor wrote:

Repair Yard------------------------- Length: 1,300 meters (12 months, 40 pts)
Orbiting Repair Yard Type II-------- Length: 1,200 meters (8 months, 80 pts)
Orbital Space Dock class III-------- Length: 1,600 meters (8 months, 160 pts)

And why is the Type II shorter than a Type 1 yet costing more?

Because of the damn Sith, that's why.

Seriously? Who the fuck knows. I suppose we can make it 1000meters and call it a day though.

May I point out the concept of a "drydock" in space is shall we say "fucking retarded" It's SPACE, it's a vacuum, you don't need to preserve things, unless it's organic, you simply lower the pressure in a section slowly until it's vaccume level, pop the seals and work on it in hard vacuum.

Which is also why I question the costs of those repair yards, because running the math it's a damn site cheaper to build an ISD than it is to repair it, especially if ship-yards double as repair yards(Which they do) I could understand thirty to fifty point repair yards if they are big enough to service multiple ships but 160 points? A repair yard costing the equivalent of an entire squadron of ISD's yet just big enough to fit one of the Allegiance class...? That makes no kinda sense...

Unless...
Hey are these magic repair yard? You know like the magic repair shops in Grand Theft Auto? Does an ISD enter one side of the repair yard, then come out the other side ten seconds later a different color and totally pristine? That would be worth 160 points I think.

Mr Bean wrote:May I point out the concept of a "drydock" in space is shall we say "fucking retarded" It's SPACE, it's a vacuum, you don't need to preserve things, unless it's organic, you simply lower the pressure in a section slowly until it's vaccume level, pop the seals and work on it in hard vacuum.

Which is also why I question the costs of those repair yards, because running the math it's a damn site cheaper to build an ISD than it is to repair it, especially if ship-yards double as repair yards(Which they do) I could understand thirty to fifty point repair yards if they are big enough to service multiple ships but 160 points? A repair yard costing the equivalent of an entire squadron of ISD's yet just big enough to fit one of the Allegiance class...? That makes no kinda sense...

They're cheaper than an equivalent shipyard, and keep in mind you'll only have so many ISD-capable shipyards anyway (well, you more than others with three Major worlds, but...) so having the ability to repair them without costing precious yard space is a good thing.

It may not be a huge deal now, but later on when you're likely to have multiple ISDs damaged in an epic battle?

We may or may not wind up placing limits on numbers of those. I have a sneaking suspicion they kinda slipped under the radar.

Mr Bean wrote:Unless...
Hey are these magic repair yard? You know like the magic repair shops in Grand Theft Auto? Does an ISD enter one side of the repair yard, then come out the other side ten seconds later a different color and totally pristine? That would be worth 160 points I think.

Alas, no. I think it'll be based on just how badly damaged the ship is. Would it cost points? Maybe, just to balance out the question of "is it worth it to repair or just scrap it" but that'll likely be judged on a case-by-case basis, since the idea of having "hit points" for our ships would be really lame.

Now that things have settled down a bit, I'll be sending ambassadors to people who have not had any contact with me so far. See if we can get a few trade pacts going.

RogueIce wrote:So, diplomatic status, WRT trade pacts and so on:

Gordian Dominion (SiegeTank)

Orange are the more recent ones to have initiated contact and we haven't done much in the way of IC posts. The Gordian Dominion I believe is semi-Imperial (?) and secret Sith, so I'd probably do trade and such with them without huge formalities.

Would it be okay if we just say that the appropriate diplomatic and economic pacts have been signed and leave it at that? Having to shoot off the same diplomatic message several times is getting a bit tiresome, especially since it seems we're all after the same thing: peaceful relations and trade pacts...

SiegeTank, a few days ago I sent probe droids to you, asking for an ambassador. Did that get lost?

Thanas wrote:SiegeTank, a few days ago I sent probe droids to you, asking for an ambassador. Did that get lost?

Yes, I must've missed that. Sorry. One of my diplomats currently on mission in the galaxy will swing by the Remnant when he's done wherever he was going first--and since we're still in somewhat-unreal-time I guess he'll be there just about now. Do you want to start that off or should I make the obligatory introductory post with the arrival of the corvette etc?

Whatever suits you best. If you want me to write it, I would have to know his/her name, though, unless you want to keep it as "the ambassador responded with:..."

SiegeTank wrote:Would it be okay if we just say that the appropriate diplomatic and economic pacts have been signed and leave it at that? Having to shoot off the same diplomatic message several times is getting a bit tiresome, especially since it seems we're all after the same thing: peaceful relations and trade pacts...

Sure thing.

I'm going to assume I've signed trade pacts with everybody.

If anyone has a problem with that, PM me.

Oh, yeah, I do have a problem with that. Namely that it makes no sense for everybody to sign a trade pact with each other.

IMO you need to RP it.

Thanas wrote:Oh, yeah, I do have a problem with that. Namely that it makes no sense for everybody to sign a trade pact with each other.

IMO you need to RP it.

Sure, no problem. I was just taking the easy way, but you're right - it doesn't make sense IC.